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I was also concerned that accepting the treaty would destroy me with the Austrian army on the border and not being sure what the heck was going to happen with the Russian army (or even if the Russian's weren't playing both sides of the fence THEMSELVES!). Again, we also needed time to get our infantry unit out of Courland.
Except of course that the Austrian Army was NEVER on the Polish border and was never placed to interfere or intervene in the Prussian-Polish conflict.  This was done deliberately to try and avoid the very escalation that Poland seemed so very intent on creating.  The Austria's army was located in Prague, adjacent to Saxony and in Vienna which is of course, surrounded entirely by Austrian provinces.  Subsequent deployments were made to counter the massive Turkish build up in Serbia were purely defensive and posed NO threat to Poland.
 
Austria even promised Poland that one-month's warning before any Austrian troop movements into Austrian territory adjacent to Poland would be provided to demonstrate Austria's peaceful intentions.
 
To paraphrase Bill the Bard, Poland doth protest far too much...
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The truth in these matters repeated for fear they will be missed on the preceding page:
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Poland agrees that this behavior was all very confusing. But international conflict and relations are. I really felt I would have put all of the nations who were my allies and friends into greater danger than they would have been otherwise (including Russia) and risked friendly relations with Britain IF I would have accepted a treaty which would have put Russia at war with Prussia. As Russia states, Poland had already worked VERY hard to work out the details of the Russo-Polish treaty in many, many PMs. Poland was exhausted with the many, many PMs required to work out the deal as well, and thought such tremendous efforts would impart a favorable opinion of our desire to work with Russia to the halls of power in Moscow. We were amazed when we saw a declaration of war posting.

It might have taken ANOTHER 2-3 emails to debate and explain the rejection of the "declaration of war on Prussia" bit, and to be honest with you, I was zonked--it was 5 in the morning, and I had surely spent 8 hours on the game that day. I sure as hell wasn't going to put MORE time into it and HOPED Russia would understand or have gained a positive feeling for Polish desire for cooperation that they wouldn't get upset over a lengthening of the negotiation process. It wasn't like I had said anywhere, this was not going to move forward.

I was also concerned that accepting the treaty would destroy me with the Austrian army on the border and not being sure what the heck was going to happen with the Russian army (or even if the Russian's weren't playing both sides of the fence THEMSELVES!). Again, we also needed time to get our infantry unit out of Courland.

I believe I explained the infantry unit in Courland thing several times, but the Tsar wanted everything "now". I couldn't agree to "now", but could agree to doing it in a few months. And then, Russia declared war on Poland. I was surprised that negotiations broke down so quickly--which of course, lead me to believe that RUSSIA was dealing disingenuously.

This illustrates the foundation for the French belief that Russia has been acting through this entire episode in order to get in a war, any war. First with Prussia, failing that with Poland.

The international community should realize that the entire cause for negotiations between Poland and Russia in the first place was Russia threatening to attack Poland.
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**here I hope that the other nations of Europe can begin to see the true outline of the deceptive parties in this matter**

This is the most laughable statement yet.

The actual timeline goes as follows:

Turn 0. France receives a message from Russia saying the Czar sees France and Russia as natural allies. Russia promises an alliance with France if we allow them a free hand in Poland (to seize territory and terrorize the Polish people). Russia also threatens to ally themselves with the "enemies of France" (whoever that is) if I dont agree to this idea.

Turn 1. The Prussian-Polish crisis begins. I communicate to Poland France's desire to see a sovereign Poland remain in existence and a willingness to help Poland form alliances to help it survive. I inform the Czar his proposal is unacceptable and counterpropose a 4 way treaty between France/Turkey/Poland/Russia. I also communicate the threats I received from Russia, including towards Poland, to Poland and Turkey. I warn that Russia might not be trustworthy (these suspicious have now been confirmed by Russian treachery). POLAND RIGHTLY FEARS A MULTIFRONT ATTACK AT THIS POINT AND BEGINS NEGOTIATING WITH RUSSIA IN GOOD FAITH. 4 way talks are also started between France/Turkey/Poland/Russia at this point.

Turn 2. Negotiations between Poland/Russia/France/Turkey are ongoing. An effort to defuse the Prussian-Polish crisis is undertaken. Austria states that they will not intervene in said crisis, unless Prussia is attacked by a third party. I reciprocate and state I will not intervene on Poland's behalf unless they are attacked by Austria. Russia and Poland continue negotiating a transfer of land in exchange for Russian help in case Austria intervenes, but also to stave off attack by Russia (this is commonly known as extortion). It is requested that Russia move it's troops toward Krakow in order to help defend it in the unlikely event Austria attacks. France specifically states during these negotiations that a mutual defense clause should not be signed as it would result in a greater European war. Poland explains why a treaty containing that clause will not be signed and states he will counterpropose a nearly identical treaty but with a phased handover of territory because of infantry being produced in Kovno.

Turn 3. On receipt of the new files I see that Poland has won a stunning victory near Berlin. I then receive several frantic messages from Poland stating that Russia has gone incommunicado and posted threatening messages that he will declare war on Poland because "Poland broke it's word" despite the fact Russia was told before the treaty was received that it would not be signed and a similar treaty would be counterproposed instead.

Note at this point Russia is in fact breaking it's word to France Turkey and Poland because he had stated he was going to sign the Warsaw Pact and he had been told he would receive identical compensation in a phased manner.

Apparently unsatisfied with lies and warmongering, the Czar decided to add hypocrisy and paranoia to his resume.

At this point the compromise solution that had been laid out is negotiated between Britain and France and agreed to by the Poles and Prussians. The Poles of course had always indicated a willingness to negotiate. Prussia only accepted the compromise after it's army was crushed and Poland's was sitting on Prussia's capital.

So in fact what we have here is just as I said:

1. Russia wanted war with Prussia. This is the only possible outcome from the treaty it sent, which would have resulted in an immediate state of war between Russia and Prussia had it been signed.
2. Failing that, Russia wanted war with Poland. Since Poland had specifically told Russia that it would provide the same territory in a phased manner, the only thing Russia wasn't getting was WAR.
3. Russia broke off negotiatons being participated in in good faith by all other parties and broke it's word with France and Turkey.
4. The result of the treaty that wasn't signed and in fact Russia was told before it was received would not be signed would have likely plunged all of Europe into War.

Of course this chain events leads any reasonable observer to believe that Russia wants war, any war, and that is what France has stated.
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To France: you have dug yourself deeply into a hole with Russia, and that is where you will stay until such time as you apologize for your repititious and incessant attempts at character assasination.

France will never apologize for telling the truth. Furthermore, we knew even during negotiations, having witnessed the erratic and bipolar nature of the Czar's strategic and diplomatic policy, that Russian friendship would be of a fickle nature and of dubious value.
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I was also concerned that accepting the treaty would destroy me with the Austrian army on the border and not being sure what the heck was going to happen with the Russian army (or even if the Russian's weren't playing both sides of the fence THEMSELVES!). Again, we also needed time to get our infantry unit out of Courland.

Except of course that the Austrian Army was NEVER on the Polish border and was never placed to interfere or intervene in the Prussian-Polish conflict.

How can Poland be faulted for believing that Austria would intervene and declare war on Poland once Russia declared war on Prussia (as would have instantly and automatically occurred had Poland signed the treaty proposed by the Russians)?

This is ludicrous. Of course you would have! You stated to the entire international community you would have. Poland is entirely reasonable in believing that signing the treaty would have widened the war.
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In an sincere effort to avoid escalating the current Saxon Crisis into a General European War, Austria will clairfy her position.

Austria will not intervene on the side of Prussia in a Prussian-Polish conflict over Saxony and Breslau provided no other Power joins on the side of Poland. Furthermore Austria will Guarantee Poland's existing frontier with Austria in the event of bi-lateral hostilities between Prussia and Poland.

Austria does however, reserve the right of Self Defence and will honour her Obligations to Prussia should any of the other Powers intervene.

Emphasis mine.

Indeed, Poland, who you slander, prevented this war by refusing to sign a treaty that would put it instantly and automatically into motion.
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With few exceptions, it is this Monarch's guess that, at the end of the day, every power in Europe is liable to side with whomever circumstances suggest is the most utilitarian "ally."

If France is able to dispell this philosophical position by promising here in the open forums to _NEVER_ through the end of the year 1825 declare war on either Prussia, Austria, Spain or Britain, then the Czar will admit to being an old-fashioned Machiavellian, antiquated in this new age of "Republicanism."

A deal was made between Poland and Russia. I will stand by my side of the deal. Will Poland? Only turn 4 will tell.

Will Turn 4 ever make its way forth to the players or are we doomed forevermore to simply bonk allegations and claims back and forth like some sick 21st century PBEM version of "Pong!"?

The Czar hopes to see a turn eventually. I'm really tired of all the Polish and French rambling, moralizing and yarn-spinning . . . it is frankly beginning to feel a bit more like an old Wives clubs in here in the International Forum, rather than the Nobleman's hunting lodge that it should be . . . *nudges Emperor Franz in the ribs while brandishing his cigar and guffawing* . . . I say chapts! I'm looking forward to reports about my soldiers shooting some Frenchmen or Poles in the head with big high-caliber muzzle-loader firearms . . . maybe some grapeshot . . . you know "carnage" [:D]

ADDIT: I could not help myself. I HAD to add this bit. Quoting the Frenchman in the immediately preceding post . . .

How can Poland be faulted for believing that Austria would intervene and declare war on Poland once Russia declared war on Prussia (as would have instantly and automatically occurred had Poland signed the treaty proposed by the Russians)?

This is ludicrous. Of course you would have! You stated to the entire international community you would have. Poland is entirely reasonable in believing that signing the treaty would have widened the war.

There you have it folks. Do not argue with France. The powers in control of France are far advanced of all us normal nobles. Those in power in Paris, actually can read the minds of Monarchs thousands of miles away, and know what they will do better than they themselves do! [:D]
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I will repeat: I would not have included the clause to DoW Prussia had I not, at one point, been specifically asked by Poland to do so. The French leader should clarify these matters with his Polish vassal before he makes false claims. My recollection that France also (at an early stage) requested an immediate DoW may well be in error, but it is irrelevant.

The real problem here is that Poland is not being allowed to speak for itself, and France is intent on insuring that she possesses a puppet state on the other side of the sovereign nations with whom she shares so many conflict-prone border provinces . . . France's interest is not in Poland for humanitarian reasons; France seeks a fulcrum on the end of a lever with which (in the long run) to pry western Provinces from Austria and Prussia.

There you go French ruler. If you insist on imputing and allegaing all manner of dastardly motivations to me based on circumstantial and wholly insufficient empirical basis, I can stoop to your level and engage in the very same form of puerile insult.
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With few exceptions, it is this Monarch's guess that, at the end of the day, every power in Europe is liable to side with whomever circumstances suggest is the most utilitarian "ally.

The trustworthiness and mental stability of that ally might have much to do with their utility.

I do not see the Russian lack in both departments to commend them to any potential allies.

[:D]
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Those in power in Paris, actually can read the minds of Monarchs thousands of miles away, and know what they will do better than they themselves do! [:D]

Did I read their minds or did I just assume they would do what they said they would?

Is Russia saying Austria lied?
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I will repeat: I would not have included the clause to DoW Prussia had I not, at one point, been specifically asked by Poland to do so. The French leader should clarify these matters with his Polish vassal before he makes false claims. My recollection that France also (at an early stage) requested an immediate DoW may well be in error, but it is irrelevant.

Everyone take note, when another power breaks it's word to Russia it is cause for war, when Russia breaks it's word or is mistaken (or flat out telling lies) it is irrelevant
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France's interest is not in Poland for humanitarian reasons; France seeks a fulcrum on the end of a lever with which (in the long run) to pry western Provinces from Austria and Prussia.

There you go French ruler. If you insist on imputing and allegaing all manner of dastardly motivations to me based on circumstantial and wholly insufficient empirical basis, I can stoop to your level and engage in the very same form of puerile insult.

Given that I had already offered to sign an enforced peace with both powers at the conclusion of the Polish-Prussian crisis your assertion is demonstrably false, whereas my observations about Russian actions are supported by the evidence.
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Those in power in Paris, actually can read the minds of Monarchs thousands of miles away, and know what they will do better than they themselves do! [:D]

Did I read their minds or did I just assume they would do what they said they would?

Is Russia saying Austria lied?

No! I believe it is France who has done that!
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Furthermore, we knew even during negotiations, having witnessed the erratic and bipolar nature of the Czar's strategic and diplomatic policy, that Russian friendship would be of a fickle nature and of dubious value.

Well! At least the Tzar is not megalomaniacal, egotistical, contumelious, and arrogant like the French Monarch!
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No! I believe it is France who has done that!

So then Austria would have declared war on Poland and your treaty would have been the cause of a massive greater European war. Exactly as I said.

You can't have it both ways my good Czar. Those of us who aren't born to be your yes men can tell the difference between fantasy and reality and aren't ashamed to point out the difference.
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Furthermore, we knew even during negotiations, having witnessed the erratic and bipolar nature of the Czar's strategic and diplomatic policy, that Russian friendship would be of a fickle nature and of dubious value.

Well! At least the Tzar is not megalomaniacal, egotistical, contumelious, and arrogant like the French Monarch!

France is not the one extorting a neighboring major power over the barrel of a gun.

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If France is such a "good guy" then why don't you respond to the emboldened part below, eh?
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With few exceptions, it is this Monarch's guess that, at the end of the day, every power in Europe is liable to side with whomever circumstances suggest is the most utilitarian "ally."

If France is able to dispell this philosophical position by promising here in the open forums to _NEVER_ through the end of the year 1825 declare war on either Prussia, Austria, Spain or Britain, then the Czar will admit to being an old-fashioned Machiavellian, antiquated in this new age of "Republicanism."

Of course, you doing THAT would be just as silly as it would have been for Russia to have ignored the fact the Poland refused to accept a Treaty which he had ASKED US to send to him, and the terms of which he had explictly stated in PMs were acceptable to him "I accept your deal" being the subject line of the PM in question.

It was not a "gun barrel" that compelled Poland to come begging Russia to "be my protector" and become a "more-or-less permanent" protector of Poland. These statements were independently manifest from Poland with zero provocation by Russia.

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If France is such a "good guy" then why don't you respond to the emboldened part below, eh?

Beyond the fact that it was such a stupid comparison it didn't really deserve a response?

France refusing to pledge not to attack for any reason all the other players in a wargame for the duration of the game has nothing to do with Russia stabbing Poland in the back in the middle of negotiations where he was negotiating with you honestly.

And for the record I wouldn't call it Machiavellian because this is stupid, which Machiavelli wasn't.

We are supposed to believe that Poland broke it's word to Russia and then Russia just flew into a rage at the treachery. In fact Poland told you ahead of time they were going to propose several treaties over a couple turns that would result in you getting the same territory.
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These statements were independently manifest from Poland with zero provocation by Russia.

Nope, sorry, not independent. You told me you wanted to form an alliance with France in exchange for a free hand in Poland for a year or two.

I told Poland he better watch out for Russia. Turns out I was right.
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I'm looking forward to reports about my soldiers shooting some Frenchmen or Poles in the head with big high-caliber muzzle-loader firearms . . . maybe some grapeshot . . . you know "carnage" [:D]

What delusions! We have doctors here in Paris that could treat this disorder. Why doesn't the Czar stop picking on Poland and come to Paris with a suitable escort for treatment?

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HI Guys,
I'm in an airport in SA and will be home late tonight. I'll post my turn tomorrow am.

BTW what does SA stand for? South Africa? South America?
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Poland is not worried about Austria. In spite of the fact that Austria made us a bit nervous, they behaved honorably throughout the Saxon Crisis.

Poland thinks it is funny that Russia accuses Poland of wanting to pick up a few territories here and there, but Russia threatened us if we DIDN'T hand over three specific territories (and also mentioned Prussian lands).
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By the way, has someone not turned in their move? I have had mine in for a couple of days now.
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Ironwarrior stated he was getting his tubes tied in Another PBEM thread. Hopefully everything went well and he let's us know what is going on soon.



And hopefully in this amount of time he has all the files to merge as well!

[>:]

PS I will be responding to PM's but won't be making any more public statements until we have a new turn.
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Here's to Iron Warrior! May he, his wife, and his progeny (currently three I believe!) forever walk this world in good health!
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If France is such a "good guy" then why don't you respond to the emboldened part below, eh?

Beyond the fact that it was such a stupid comparison it didn't really deserve a response?

Well, I'm sure the other players are fascinated that you would find it stupid to promise permanent friendship if not allegiance with them.

I for one do not think it is so stupid and indeed, am delighted to take up my own challenge.

Assuming of course that Poland lives up to my expectations, does not follow through with the agreed upon actions of evacuating the three provinces and then surrendering peacefully in 4 turns, thus releasing me from my promise to become her protector, then I will be happy to proceed as follows:

If asked for it by any of the following powers (Austria, Prussia, Turkey, Spain or Britain) I will accpet a 20 year enforced peace, as long as such a deal is done with ALL interested parties simultaneously, is uniformly mutual across all clauses, includes enforced peace, royal marriage, and ideally at least one other clause that involves punishment for breaking the alliance/DoWing, as well as mutual RoPs and shared depots.

Russia will happily agree to more-or-less permanent peace with her neighbors and those with whom she might prospectively fear conflict. This is because the character of the Russian Tzar is so dramatically opposite that of which the French leader has characterized. We seek nothing but peace, though we recognize that with certain leaders peace can only be gained through calculated use of force, such as our declaration of war against Poland.

To my knowledge, France presently is not embroiled in any diplomatic promises such as those which pester Russia (i.e., the Polish deal). You have a ratified treaty of peace with Britain, and a relationship with Poland and Turkey which you are seeking to turn into a written "Pact" the potential significance of which to nations like Austria and Prussia, if not also Spain and France, must not have gone unnoticed so far. To what end might a "Pact" of France, Turkey, Poland be driven? Warming of relations with Austria, and Prussia if not Britain and Spain?

If France is unwilling to publicly offer the same sort of more-or-less permanent peace with all the nations included in Russia's offer above, then how can any resonable person conclude that it is France seeking to establish peace and Russia seeking to provoke war as the French leader has so repeatedly, and so arrogantly asserted?
France refusing to pledge not to attack for any reason all the other players in a wargame for the duration of the game has nothing to do with Russia stabbing Poland in the back in the middle of negotiations where he was negotiating with you honestly.

Poland stabbed Russia in the back first. Our blow was in response to theirs. Poland has already acknowledged that he agreed to the treaty and then he backed out on the treaty that he had agreed to when he got the turn from me. And yet the King of France doth continue to protest, and slander me as "stupid." A profound case of a pot calling a kettle black I do believe.
We are supposed to believe that Poland broke it's word to Russia and then Russia just flew into a rage at the treachery. In fact Poland told you ahead of time they were going to propose several treaties over a couple turns that would result in you getting the same territory.

Poland told me so many things in so many different PMs one would be hard pressed to decipher how many of them were mutually exclusive or contradictory.

The key point is that: at one time betwen turn 2 and turn 3 Poland told me to submit the treaty I submitted, in exactly the form I submitted it. Then Poland turned right around and did not accept the treaty he had asked me to submit (notably wasting my diplomatic effort in the process).

Poland also told me to do other very stupid things, like march my troops deep into the heart of Poland without supply, and declare war on Prussia immediately (without any recompense OR alliance from/with Poland).

I find it humorous that is the Frenchman who is responding in this dialogue and in large is ignoring and contradicting the things that Poland has said right here in public.

We have a medicine for that type of "sickness" in Moscow too, and it is often used on mad-dogs and rat infestations.
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I for one do not think it is so stupid and indeed, am delighted to take up my own challenge.

Given your track record of attacking your own allies I doubt anyone would think a mere enforced peace you could cancel at any time with a minor glory loss worth the paper it was written on.

My track record is the opposite of yours. I follow the treaties I sign and I don't betray my allies.
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If France is unwilling to publicly offer the same sort of more-or-less permanent peace with all the nations included in Russia's offer above, then how can any resonable person conclude that it is France seeking to establish peace and Russia seeking to provoke war as the French leader has so repeatedly, and so arrogantly asserted?

Because you are talking out of your ass?

Actions speak louder than words. I am not the one who backstabs my allies. I am not the one who just tried to start a general European war.

Russia does these sorts of things.
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The key point is that: at one time betwen turn 2 and turn 3 Poland told me to submit the treaty I submitted, in exactly the form I submitted it. Then Poland turned right around and did not accept the treaty he had asked me to submit (notably wasting my diplomatic effort in the process).

Because the treaty you sent would have resulted in a war between Poland and Russia versus Prussia and Austria at the very minimum.

Look at Russia's deeds my friends, not Russia's words.
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Prussian Turn 4 is in.
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