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Hongjian · Post by **Hongjian** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:26 am

ORIGINAL: JamitovHymem

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

First video evidence that the J-10B or C can conduct SEAD with YJ-91/Kh-31P ARMs. A first for the entire J-10 series. Also, note the blue PL-10 dummy on its starboard wing's outmost pylon.

Are there any minor differences between the Kh31p and the YJ91 or are they the exact same thing?

Suppossedly, the latest YJ-91 block has a modernized seeker that can engage more types of radar frequencies without changing them out before mission (which would require it to be sent back to factory again). And the range has been updated from 120km to 150km in the newest variant.

But me thinks that the YJ-91 has reached the end of its service, as the PLAAF thinks that using such a relatively large missile to smack radars is overkill. The new compact and more HARM-like CM-102 seems to have won the favor of the Chinese airforce to eventually replace the YJ-91 as mainstay ARM.

JamitovHymem · Post by **JamitovHymem** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:15 pm

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

ORIGINAL: JamitovHymem

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

First video evidence that the J-10B or C can conduct SEAD with YJ-91/Kh-31P ARMs. A first for the entire J-10 series. Also, note the blue PL-10 dummy on its starboard wing's outmost pylon.

Are there any minor differences between the Kh31p and the YJ91 or are they the exact same thing?

Suppossedly, the latest YJ-91 block has a modernized seeker that can engage more types of radar frequencies without changing them out before mission (which would require it to be sent back to factory again). And the range has been updated from 120km to 150km in the newest variant.

But me thinks that the YJ-91 has reached the end of its service, as the PLAAF thinks that using such a relatively large missile to smack radars is overkill. The new compact and more HARM-like CM-102 seems to have won the favor of the Chinese airforce to eventually replace the YJ-91 as mainstay ARM.

Thank you very much

Hongjian · Post by **Hongjian** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:54 pm

ORIGINAL: Dysta

http://3g.china.com/act/military/111327 ... 40986.html (simplified Chinese)

Detail of PL-10E WVRAAM mentioned by Lead Designer Leung:

PL-10 should be called PL-10E
Range should reduce to 10.8nm (20km) from 15nm
Infrared imaging guidance
>60G

Eh, I'm against changing the name into PL-10E, since it is clearly the export designation.

Just like the recently unveiled Y-9E export aircraft, or the YJ-9E export lightweight anti-ship missile etc.

As for range, it is said that it has 'more than 20km', so I wouldnt use that as face value.

Dysta · Post by **Dysta** » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:23 am

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

Eh, I'm against changing the name into PL-10E, since it is clearly the export designation.

Just like the recently unveiled Y-9E export aircraft, or the YJ-9E export lightweight anti-ship missile etc.

As for range, it is said that it has 'more than 20km', so I wouldnt use that as face value.

http://news.takungpao.com/mainland/focu ... print.html (Traditional Chinese)
Could be true for the E part. There isn't any showcase specs. before.

Leung said IR missile can theoretically extend missile range easily, but not for pilot eyes or IR seeker to lock on that far. It's basically BVR range when it's above 12nm. I might be wrong, but it's a safe bet to use PL-10 same as other WVRs, above that range is a blind fire.

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:16 pm

Hello,

There is a small issue with the BATRAL class ships (France). It is listed in game as having 3 helo pads and 1 hangar for 4 medium aircraft, whereas in real life it only has 1 pad for medium helicopter and no hangar.

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/18230335.jpg

http://img7.hostingpics.net/pics/210242BATRAL_Dumont_d__Urville.jpg

Keep up the good work with CMANO !

KLAB · Post by **KLAB** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:53 pm

http://www.janes.com/article/65385/uk-c ... -programme
For consideration:

Still trying to find how Janes have reached this conclusion but apparently its in an official UK MOD procurement document which I will post the link to in due course.

Sea Ceptor is GWS.35.

DB3k is showing mount as GWS.xx. Plus not capable against surface vessels?

The MBDA product PDF also states Sea Ceptor is also capable of engaging;
• "Wide air target set plus the ability to engage small naval craft"
http://www.mbda-systems.com/maritime-su ... ea-ceptor/

Given that this is a state of the art system with high end processors sensors etc it seems likely it can target surface vessels.
Who needs Harpoons when you can close to within 25km of surface target and fire off a shower of missiles with a tiny warhead designed to knock out missiles and aircraft, what could possibly go wrong!

Regards

K

jun5896 · Post by **jun5896** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:20 pm

The Government of the ROK requested a possible sale for the upgrade of 134 KF-16C/D Block 52 aircraft, to include:

150 Modular Mission Computers (MMC 7000AH),
150 Active Electronically Scanned Array Radars (AESA),
150 AN/APX-125 or equivalent Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Systems,
150 LN-260 Embedded Global Positioning System/Inertial Navigation Systems,
150 Upgraded Radar Warning Receivers (RWR),
150 AN/ALQ-213 EW Management Units,
3 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS) II Group C Helmets,
150 JHMCS II Group A and B, 31 Joint Mission Planning Systems (JMPS),
5 GBU-54 Laser Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAM),
5 KMU-57C/B Bomb Tail Kits,
2 GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb Guided Test Vehicles,
8 GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb Tactical Training Rounds,
2 BRU-61 Small Diameter Bomb Common Carriage Assemblies,
5 MK-82 General Purpose Practice Bombs, 2 Joint Programmable Fuzes,
2 CBU-105 Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser (WCMD) Sensor Fuzed Weapons (SFW),
1 CNU-411C/E, WCMD Container,
2 ATM-65 Maverick Training Missiles,
2 ATM-84 Harpoon Block II Training Missiles,
2 AGM-84 Harpoon Block II Guidance Units,
2 CATM-9X-2 Captive Air Training Missiles, and
1 AIM-9X-2 Guidance Unit.

Also included are containers, missile support and test equipment, provisioning, spare and repair parts, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor technical support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The total estimated cost is $2.5 billion.

The Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States has requested a retrofit of 145 F-16A/B aircraft that includes sale of:

176 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars;
176 Embedded Global Positioning System Inertial Navigation Systems;
176 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management systems;
upgrade 82 ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) pods to incorporate Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) technology
or purchase new ECM pods (AN/ALQ-211(V)9 Airborne Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites (AIDEWS) with DRFM, or AN/ALQ-131 pods with DRFM);
86 tactical data link terminals;
upgrade 28 electro-optical infrared targeting Sharpshooter pods;
26 AN/AAQ-33 SNIPER Targeting Systems or AN/AAQ-28 LITENING Targeting Systems;
128 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems;
128 Night Vision Goggles;
140 AIM-9X SIDEWINDER Missiles;
56 AIM-9X Captive Air Training Missiles;
5 AIM-9X Telemetry kits;
16 GBU-31V1 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs) kits;
80 GBU-38 JDAM kits;
Dual Mode/ Global Positioning System Laser-Guided Bombs (16 GBU-10 Enhanced PAVEWAY II or GBU-56 Laser JDAM, 80 GBU-12 Enhanced PAVEWAY II or GBU-54 Laser JDAM, 16 GBU-24 Enhanced PAVEWAY III);
64 CBU-105 Sensor Fused Weapons with Wind-Corrected Munition Dispensers (WDMD);
153 LAU-129 Launchers with missile interface;
upgrade of 158 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Combined Interrogator Transponders;
and HAVE GLASS II applications.

Also included are: ammunition, alternate mission equipment, engineering and design study on replacing existing F100-PW-220 engines with F100-PW-229 engines, update of Modular Mission Computers, cockpit multifunction displays, communication equipment, Joint Mission Planning Systems, maintenance, construction, repair and return, aircraft tanker support, aircraft ferry services, aircraft and ground support equipment, spare and repair parts, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support, test equipment, site surveys, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $5.3 billion.

The Government of Singapore has requested an upgrade of 60 F-16C/D/D+ aircraft. The upgrades will address reliability, supportability, and combat effectiveness concerns associated with its aging F-16 fleet. The items being procured in this proposed sale include:

70 Active Electronically Scanned Array Radars (AESA)
70 LN-260 Embedded Global Positioning System/Inertial Navigation Systems
(GPS/INS)
70 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
70 APX-125 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) Combined Interrogator
Transponders
3 AIM-9X Block II Captive Air Training Missiles
3 TGM-65G Maverick Missiles for testing and integration
4 GBU-50 Guided Bomb Units (GBU) for testing and integration
5 GBU-38 Joint Direct Attack Munitions for testing and integration
3 CBU-105 (D-4)/B Sensor Fused Weapons for testing and integration
1 AIS Interface Test Adapters for software updates
1 Classified Computer Program Identification Numbers (CPINs)
4 GBU-49 Enhanced Paveways for testing and integration
2 DSU-38 Laser Seekers for testing and integration
6 GBU-12 Paveway II, Guidance Control Units

Also included are Modular Mission Computers, a software maintenance facility, cockpit multifunction displays, radios, secure communications, video recorders; a Joint Mission Planning System (JMPS); maintenance, repair and return, aircraft and ground support equipment, spare and repair parts, tool and test equipment; engine support equipment, publications and technical documentation; aerial refueling support, aircraft ferry services, flight test; personnel training and training equipment, site surveys, construction, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated cost is $2.43 billion.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/re ... de-program
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/ta ... fit-f-16ab
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/si ... 52-upgrade

cdnice · Post by **cdnice** » Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:27 am

jun5896 · Post by **jun5896** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:14 pm

RF-5E Tigereye
Single-seat reconnaissance version of the F-5E fighter. The RF-5E Tigereye was exported to Saudi Arabia and Malaysia.

RF-5E Tigergazer
Seven upgraded single-seat reconnaissance version of the F-5E for Taiwan by ST Aerospace.

RF-5S Tigereye
Single-seat reconnaissance version of the F-5S for the Republic of Singapore Air Force.

F-5N
Ex-Swiss Air Force F-5Es used by the U.S. Navy as "aggressor" aircraft, with AN/APG-69 replacing the original AN/APQ-159. Intended to replace high-time USN/USMC F-5Es in the adversary role, and see service through to 2015.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_displ ... =1050&ct=1

F-5S
Upgraded version of the F-5E in use by the Republic of Singapore Air Force, equipped with the Galileo Avionica's FIAR Grifo-F X-band radar and are capable of firing the AIM-120 AMRAAM.[48][31][49]

-> no AMRAAM in database.

F-5T Tigris
Upgraded version of the F-5E of Royal Thai Air Force by Israel, also armed with EL/M-2032.

F-5E Tiger 2000
Upgraded version of Taiwan AIDC, equipped with the GD-53 radar, capable of firing the TC-2 Sky Sword II, MIL-STD-1553B Link and GPS/INS

-> upgrade variants

KF-5E
F-5E built in South Korea for Republic of Korea Air Force. First introduction: September 1982; 48 built.

KF-5F
F-5F built in South Korea for Republic of Korea Air Force. First introduction: September 1982; 20 built.

-> KF-5 are equipped an/apq-159. It is different variants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_F-5

Hongjian · Post by **Hongjian** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:44 pm

J-10C with PL-15 and PL-10 spotted.

Fuzzy photo only, but yeah...

mikmykWS · Post by **mikmykWS** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:39 pm

Update request list updated to this point.

Thanks!

Mike

kevinkins · Post by **kevinkins** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:55 pm

First DB post:

LHA 6 America [Assault-Optimized Makin Island]

Seems to allow for only 44 a/c per the DB description (i.e. 22 open space; 22 hanger) but I can place 66 a/c. The exact 1/3 increase seemed suspicious hence the post.

Kevin

trujillocorreo · Post by **trujillocorreo** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 1:49 pm

Hello friends.
Please update the loadout of the Venezuelan SU-30MK2. Add missiles R-27ET ALAMO-D.
Thank you.

Hongjian · Post by **Hongjian** » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:26 pm

JH-7A got some new DECM pods.

The newer KG800 ECM pods seem bigger than the previuous KG600.

Hydrolek · Post by **Hydrolek** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:43 am

he U.S. supports the sale of standoff missiles to Poland, the Defense Department said in a notice to Congress on Monday.
The State Department has approved the possible $200 million foreign military sale to supply the Polish government with the Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles Extended Range, or JASSM-ER, made by Lockheed Martin Corp., according to an announcement from the Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
In addition to the U.S. Air Force (which this fall received its 2,000th munition), the weapon is used by the governments of Finland and Australia. Poland is its third international customer.
The Polish military wants to purchase 70 of the projectiles, a semi-stealthy GPS-guided cruise missile armed with a penetrating blast-fragmentation warhead designed to strike targets from as far away as 620 miles, according to the release and the manufacturer’s website.
The Polish air force plans to outfit the munitions onto its F-16C/D fighter jets. In addition to the standoff missiles, the deal calls for flight test vehicles, simulators, spare parts and other equipment.
In a foreign military sale, known in military parlance as FMS, the U.S. buys weapons or equipment on behalf of a foreign government. Countries approved to participate in the program may obtain military hardware or services by using their own funding or money provided through U.S.-sponsored assistance programs. The release doesn’t specify which government would pay for the transaction.
“The proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and the national security objectives of the United States by helping to improve the security of a NATO ally,” it states. “Poland continues to be an important force for political stability and economic progress in Central Europe.”

http://worlddefencenews.blogspot.com/20 ... or-70.html
http://forum.soldf.com/topic/55853-defe ... to-poland/

Scar79 · Post by **Scar79** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:24 am

I was out of CMANO for the last 18 months, but as far as i can see unrealistic RCS numbers are still here. All these "0,000zerozero1" numbers are coming from advertisement speechs, not actual combat manuals. For example, after F-117 was shot down and examined by Russian specialists, its all-around continuous RCS was described in the manual to modernized S-125 Pechyora as 0,3 sqm. Of course, RCS of every object has its local minimums and maximums and aircraft designers are trying to make it minimal from the front. But average RCS(during continuous radar scan) in sector +/- 45 degree of thousand fractions of meter?! Gentlemen, please, don't use advertising speechs a'la TV-shop style about "golf balls" as a source for your serious simulator.

Combat manuals based on the real examinations are providing much more realistic numbers.

mikmykWS · Post by **mikmykWS** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 10:51 am

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

JH-7A got some new DECM pods.

The newer KG800 ECM pods seem bigger than the previuous KG600.

Can you translate what the display says?

Thanks!

Mike

Hongjian · Post by **Hongjian** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:36 pm

The text is kinda hard to read at parts but I will try.

KG800 self defense jamming pod

The KG800 airborne electronic warfare system is carried by combat planes to disrupt enemy airborne fire control radars and SAM search and fire-control/illumination radars. It also increases the combat plane's survivability against AESA threats that are launched against the plane (probably meaning AESA seekers on missiles)"

Special Points:

- Broad jamming spectrum (probably of radar bands)
- High ERP (effective radiated power)
- Advanced Jamming Technologies
- Effective/Useful (against) multiple threats
- Fast response time
- Modularity
- High reliability

mikmykWS · Post by **mikmykWS** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 3:59 pm

Thanks!

Mike

KLAB · Post by **KLAB** » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:40 pm

For consideration; Ref ROK Wildcat:

Article in December 2016 Air International . P69.

Think this was first referenced as a DB request when the contract was announced some time ago but the article has photos.

South Korean Navy Wildcat using Spike NLOS.
Loadout photos shows port side of 2 x Spike NLOS for a potential total of 4,
Article also refers to ROK Navy using asymmetric loadout of 2 x Spike NLOS, 1 X Blue Shark.
This would make sense given threat from fast boats and minisubs in littoral waters?

Radar is 7350E Sea Spray not 7400 (suspect there is no material difference)
no clarity on E/O system but references to SAGE EW system.
Interestingly it also says they have Link 16 for cooperative engagement and
Data sharing.

Thanks for adding new loadouts.
http://img.yonhapnews.co.kr/etc/inner/E ... 5_01_i.jpg
Added loadouts.

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RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers

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F-16 Upgrade information

Canadian Requests

F-5 variants

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