Small Ship, Big War - The Voyages of the Hibiki
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
I literally lurched in my chair when Hibiki appeared in the periscope cross hairs. The interval between the "firing torpedoes" sound and the "torpedoes miss" message seemed a lot longer than one or two seconds.
RE: Small Ship, Big War
Well your Hibiki continues to be golden. We wouldn't want it any other way. [:D]
I don't think any of us want this to turn into the adventures of a lifeboat.
I don't think any of us want this to turn into the adventures of a lifeboat.
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
Well if those torpedos would hit Hibiki i dubt there would be any lifeboats... i bet that after 2 of those the poor Hibiki would just blow up...
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
ORIGINAL: Cuttlefish
I literally lurched in my chair when Hibiki appeared in the periscope cross hairs. The interval between the "firing torpedoes" sound and the "torpedoes miss" message seemed a lot longer than one or two seconds.
That shrine to Benzaiten must be burning through a lot of accumulated good karma! Captain Joyce must be a frustrated man -- but his report of the TF's course and speed may yet bring trouble for our lads on the Hibiki . . .
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
May 5, 1944
Location: 60 miles southwest of Ulithi
Course: Northeast
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 376
Orders: Cover supply convoy heading towards Ulithi
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The rain persists through most of the following day. It cloaks the transports as they reach Ulithi and begin to unload and it cloaks the Japanese carrier forces as they hover protectively nearby. It also conceals a powerful Japanese battle group as it slips towards Woleai.
This force is based around battleships Ise and Kirishima. In addition to the battleships there are four heavy cruisers, four light cruisers, and eleven destroyers. They are not going to Woleai to bombard the atoll; they want to destroy whatever surface forces are there to prevent them from interfering in the operation.
Late in the afternoon the rain stops and the clouds begin to disperse, chased away by a brisk westerly wind. Enemy search planes have a good idea where the carriers are and quickly find them, though too late for any strikes against them to be launched. Hibiki and the other Japanese ships know that tomorrow it is likely to be another story.
After nightfall the Japanese battleship force picks up speed and moves towards Woleai. Enemy forces are waiting for them. As battle is joined all the men aboard Hibiki can do is listen and follow the nearby battle as best they can. Several officers go short on sleep to keep up with events. Lieutenant Sugiyura, in particular, takes to haunting the radio room and pacing back and forth like a caged tiger. As the night goes on his frustration grows along with his glee.
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Two task forces meet the Japanese; the first consists of light cruiser Concord and eight destroyers. A second group of five destroyers is in support.
It is a fine night for battle; the moon is just short of full and shines brightly in a sky now occupied by only a few islands of clouds. Both forces pick up the other on radar; the Allied ships move to intercept. Soon they can see the pagoda towers of the Japanese battleships on the horizon. That they are outnumbered and fearsomely outgunned is obvious, but their mission is to defend the atoll and that is what they will do.
The Japanese ships, for their part, are commanded by Hibiki’s old friend Admiral Raizo Tanaka. Tanaka knows that the only danger to his force is allowing the numerous enemy destroyers within torpedo range. At 10,000 yards he orders his battleships and cruisers to alter course to port and open fire. Concord and the eight enemy destroyers respond by altering course slightly to starboard and boring in as the Japanese force exposes its flank. They are chased by towering geysers of water from 14” and 8” shells, the water churned to brightness under the moonlight. As the range closes the lead Japanese destroyers also open fire.
The enemy charge is gallant but hopeless. Four destroyers are fatally hit within as many minutes. Concord and the remaining four destroyers, all damaged, launch torpedoes but the range is too great and no hits are scored. They turn away, chased by more shells and aided by a sudden interlude of darkness that occurs as an island of cloud obscures the moon.
The other column of five enemy destroyers has circled to the west while the fight has been going on and they now make their attack run. They are aided by darkness and the fact that the Japanese are intent on the pursuit of the fleeing destroyers. Star shells suddenly bloom over them as the Japanese realize the danger, but the five destroyers are within 6000 yards and launch torpedoes even as the Japanese begin to find the range. The two lead Allied destroyers are hit multiple times and one almost disappears in a fearsome explosion. Even as these ships sink, however, their torpedoes reach the Japanese ships. Hits are scored on Kirishima, heavy cruiser Tone, and destroyer Wakazuki.
Wakazuki falls out of line but the two heavier ships resume quickly resume firing. Tanaka brings his ships back on a southerly course to respond to this new threat. The three remaining destroyers try to escape behind a smoke screen but none make it; the moon comes out again and one by one the survivors are smothered by shells and sunk.
The Japanese head back towards Woleai in pursuit of Concord and the remaining four destroyers. On the way they spot a pair of minesweepers frantically trying to reach the shelter of the atoll; one makes it despite taking a shell on the fantail, but the other is hit multiple times and quickly sinks.
Now Japanese shells begin to fall once again around the surviving Allied warships, slowed as they are by damage. They turn at bay and return fire, scoring some hits against the lead Japanese destroyers. The Japanese respond with a torpedo attack. Concord is torn to pieces by explosions and three of the four destroyers are also hit. The last Allied ship, a Fletcher-class destroyer, dies hard, returning a heavy and accurate fire against the lead Japanese ships almost until the moment it sinks. Several shells hit light cruiser Natori; one pierces her forward engine compartment, knocking her out of the battle.
This is not quite the end of the fighting. Six torpedo boats now swarm out from passages to the lagoon. The fire from the Japanese ships is too heavy for them to endure, however. After two of them are quickly sunk the rest flee. Four other torpedo boats, exiting the lagoon to the west, circle around behind the Japanese main body and engage the damaged Wakazuki. They leave the already stricken destroyer sinking, though Wakazuki manages to sink one torpedo boat in return.
The Japanese ships pick up survivors from the sinking destroyer and depart to the north. At a cost of one destroyer they have sunk thirteen destroyers, a light cruiser, a minesweeper, and three torpedo boats. Tanaka has used a rare Japanese advantage in firepower to win a lopsided victory - at least so far. Sunrise is only a few hours away.
Location: 60 miles southwest of Ulithi
Course: Northeast
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 376
Orders: Cover supply convoy heading towards Ulithi
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The rain persists through most of the following day. It cloaks the transports as they reach Ulithi and begin to unload and it cloaks the Japanese carrier forces as they hover protectively nearby. It also conceals a powerful Japanese battle group as it slips towards Woleai.
This force is based around battleships Ise and Kirishima. In addition to the battleships there are four heavy cruisers, four light cruisers, and eleven destroyers. They are not going to Woleai to bombard the atoll; they want to destroy whatever surface forces are there to prevent them from interfering in the operation.
Late in the afternoon the rain stops and the clouds begin to disperse, chased away by a brisk westerly wind. Enemy search planes have a good idea where the carriers are and quickly find them, though too late for any strikes against them to be launched. Hibiki and the other Japanese ships know that tomorrow it is likely to be another story.
After nightfall the Japanese battleship force picks up speed and moves towards Woleai. Enemy forces are waiting for them. As battle is joined all the men aboard Hibiki can do is listen and follow the nearby battle as best they can. Several officers go short on sleep to keep up with events. Lieutenant Sugiyura, in particular, takes to haunting the radio room and pacing back and forth like a caged tiger. As the night goes on his frustration grows along with his glee.
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Two task forces meet the Japanese; the first consists of light cruiser Concord and eight destroyers. A second group of five destroyers is in support.
It is a fine night for battle; the moon is just short of full and shines brightly in a sky now occupied by only a few islands of clouds. Both forces pick up the other on radar; the Allied ships move to intercept. Soon they can see the pagoda towers of the Japanese battleships on the horizon. That they are outnumbered and fearsomely outgunned is obvious, but their mission is to defend the atoll and that is what they will do.
The Japanese ships, for their part, are commanded by Hibiki’s old friend Admiral Raizo Tanaka. Tanaka knows that the only danger to his force is allowing the numerous enemy destroyers within torpedo range. At 10,000 yards he orders his battleships and cruisers to alter course to port and open fire. Concord and the eight enemy destroyers respond by altering course slightly to starboard and boring in as the Japanese force exposes its flank. They are chased by towering geysers of water from 14” and 8” shells, the water churned to brightness under the moonlight. As the range closes the lead Japanese destroyers also open fire.
The enemy charge is gallant but hopeless. Four destroyers are fatally hit within as many minutes. Concord and the remaining four destroyers, all damaged, launch torpedoes but the range is too great and no hits are scored. They turn away, chased by more shells and aided by a sudden interlude of darkness that occurs as an island of cloud obscures the moon.
The other column of five enemy destroyers has circled to the west while the fight has been going on and they now make their attack run. They are aided by darkness and the fact that the Japanese are intent on the pursuit of the fleeing destroyers. Star shells suddenly bloom over them as the Japanese realize the danger, but the five destroyers are within 6000 yards and launch torpedoes even as the Japanese begin to find the range. The two lead Allied destroyers are hit multiple times and one almost disappears in a fearsome explosion. Even as these ships sink, however, their torpedoes reach the Japanese ships. Hits are scored on Kirishima, heavy cruiser Tone, and destroyer Wakazuki.
Wakazuki falls out of line but the two heavier ships resume quickly resume firing. Tanaka brings his ships back on a southerly course to respond to this new threat. The three remaining destroyers try to escape behind a smoke screen but none make it; the moon comes out again and one by one the survivors are smothered by shells and sunk.
The Japanese head back towards Woleai in pursuit of Concord and the remaining four destroyers. On the way they spot a pair of minesweepers frantically trying to reach the shelter of the atoll; one makes it despite taking a shell on the fantail, but the other is hit multiple times and quickly sinks.
Now Japanese shells begin to fall once again around the surviving Allied warships, slowed as they are by damage. They turn at bay and return fire, scoring some hits against the lead Japanese destroyers. The Japanese respond with a torpedo attack. Concord is torn to pieces by explosions and three of the four destroyers are also hit. The last Allied ship, a Fletcher-class destroyer, dies hard, returning a heavy and accurate fire against the lead Japanese ships almost until the moment it sinks. Several shells hit light cruiser Natori; one pierces her forward engine compartment, knocking her out of the battle.
This is not quite the end of the fighting. Six torpedo boats now swarm out from passages to the lagoon. The fire from the Japanese ships is too heavy for them to endure, however. After two of them are quickly sunk the rest flee. Four other torpedo boats, exiting the lagoon to the west, circle around behind the Japanese main body and engage the damaged Wakazuki. They leave the already stricken destroyer sinking, though Wakazuki manages to sink one torpedo boat in return.
The Japanese ships pick up survivors from the sinking destroyer and depart to the north. At a cost of one destroyer they have sunk thirteen destroyers, a light cruiser, a minesweeper, and three torpedo boats. Tanaka has used a rare Japanese advantage in firepower to win a lopsided victory - at least so far. Sunrise is only a few hours away.
RE: Small Ship, Big War
The morning brings the air power out to play, big trouble for any ship finding herself in range of the hornet's nest.
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
That's the kind of battle that makes using the surface forces well worth it. And I can imagine how good it felt to sting your opponant at this point of the game/war.
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
Well written and said. I solid victory that--hopefully--Allied airpower will NOT diminish! Perhaps the CVs are flying LR CAP over Tanaka???
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
May 6, 1944
Location: 55 miles northeast of Ulithi
Course: Holding position
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 345
Orders: Cover supply convoy heading towards Ulithi
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As the sun rises light cruiser Natori, still running on one engine, falls further and further behind the Japanese main body. Tanaka orders Natori’s wounded transferred to other ships and the main body makes the best speed they can to the north. Kirishima and Tone are limping but still able to outdistance the light cruiser.
Vengeful American aircraft set out after Tanaka’s force soon after sunrise. The first ship they find is Natori, and their first and largest strike of the morning concentrates on the unhappy light cruiser. The ship’s remaining crew fights her hard but eventually Natori is sunk.
A further strike hits Kirishima with several bombs. The battleship staggers but keeps going. The enemy planes are forced to let Tanaka’s ships continue out of range as they return to Woleai to rearm and go after the carriers and transports at nearby Ulithi.
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“Signal, sir,” Ensign Konada brings word to the bridge. “Enemy aircraft approaching from the southeast, range 60 kilometers.”
“Thank you, Ensign,” says Ishii. “Combat stations.” Men scramble to their posts. Anti-aircraft guns are trained skyward. Ishii gives crisp orders to maneuver the ship as the task force swings to the west to enable the carriers to launch more fighters; this has the added effect of giving the task force another minute or two before the enemy arrives.
These tasks completed Ishii joins others in raising binoculars to the southeast. Very soon he can make out small specks in the air, at first just a few and then many. These are P-38 fighters and SBD dive bombers. Japanese fighters roar over the task force as they head out to intercept them.
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Ensign Izu waits near the fantail with his damage control party. How strange, he thinks. I had nightmares for weeks after the SBD hit us off Wake, nightmares of them diving on us. But now that they are coming again for real I stand here almost calmly. It is not that there is no fear; it is just that I must appear calm to my men and somehow the semblance of calm almost becomes the reality.
Still, he thinks about it for a moment and then moves his team a little ways forward to the exact spot where the last SBD placed its bomb two years ago. Lightning never strikes twice in the same spot, he reasons.
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Ishii does his best to follow the melee in the air, a melee that comes ever closer. Now and again an aircraft will plunge out of the swirling cloud of planes and trace a long, fatal line of smoke and flame down into the ocean. A couple of times it is a Reisen that falls but far more often it is an American plane. The enemy fighter defense visibly frays and by the time the SBDs reach their tip-over point their number has been sharply reduced.
One plane arcs right over Hibiki in its dive on a carrier. The destroyer’s 25mm guns track it as they fire, their crews frantically rotating the sluggish guns as it passes overhead. And their efforts are not in vain. Several shells strike the plane, chewing off part of the tail and perforating the wings. The diving plane starts to come apart in the air. It is unable to pull out of its dive and its bomb detonates as the plane strikes the sea well short of Zuikaku.
A few bombs strike the ocean around the Japanese ships. Geysers of water erupt upwards but no damage is done. The remaining enemy planes head for home, pursued here and there by Japanese planes.
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There are no further enemy air strikes this day. The good mood in the carrier groups is only slightly dampened by word of Natori’s fate and by the column of smoke visible in the distance rising from Ulithi, evidence of an enemy patrol plane’s bomb hit on one of the freighters.
Location: 55 miles northeast of Ulithi
Course: Holding position
Attached to: TF 23
Mission: Air combat
System Damage: 1
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 345
Orders: Cover supply convoy heading towards Ulithi
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As the sun rises light cruiser Natori, still running on one engine, falls further and further behind the Japanese main body. Tanaka orders Natori’s wounded transferred to other ships and the main body makes the best speed they can to the north. Kirishima and Tone are limping but still able to outdistance the light cruiser.
Vengeful American aircraft set out after Tanaka’s force soon after sunrise. The first ship they find is Natori, and their first and largest strike of the morning concentrates on the unhappy light cruiser. The ship’s remaining crew fights her hard but eventually Natori is sunk.
A further strike hits Kirishima with several bombs. The battleship staggers but keeps going. The enemy planes are forced to let Tanaka’s ships continue out of range as they return to Woleai to rearm and go after the carriers and transports at nearby Ulithi.
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“Signal, sir,” Ensign Konada brings word to the bridge. “Enemy aircraft approaching from the southeast, range 60 kilometers.”
“Thank you, Ensign,” says Ishii. “Combat stations.” Men scramble to their posts. Anti-aircraft guns are trained skyward. Ishii gives crisp orders to maneuver the ship as the task force swings to the west to enable the carriers to launch more fighters; this has the added effect of giving the task force another minute or two before the enemy arrives.
These tasks completed Ishii joins others in raising binoculars to the southeast. Very soon he can make out small specks in the air, at first just a few and then many. These are P-38 fighters and SBD dive bombers. Japanese fighters roar over the task force as they head out to intercept them.
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Ensign Izu waits near the fantail with his damage control party. How strange, he thinks. I had nightmares for weeks after the SBD hit us off Wake, nightmares of them diving on us. But now that they are coming again for real I stand here almost calmly. It is not that there is no fear; it is just that I must appear calm to my men and somehow the semblance of calm almost becomes the reality.
Still, he thinks about it for a moment and then moves his team a little ways forward to the exact spot where the last SBD placed its bomb two years ago. Lightning never strikes twice in the same spot, he reasons.
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Ishii does his best to follow the melee in the air, a melee that comes ever closer. Now and again an aircraft will plunge out of the swirling cloud of planes and trace a long, fatal line of smoke and flame down into the ocean. A couple of times it is a Reisen that falls but far more often it is an American plane. The enemy fighter defense visibly frays and by the time the SBDs reach their tip-over point their number has been sharply reduced.
One plane arcs right over Hibiki in its dive on a carrier. The destroyer’s 25mm guns track it as they fire, their crews frantically rotating the sluggish guns as it passes overhead. And their efforts are not in vain. Several shells strike the plane, chewing off part of the tail and perforating the wings. The diving plane starts to come apart in the air. It is unable to pull out of its dive and its bomb detonates as the plane strikes the sea well short of Zuikaku.
A few bombs strike the ocean around the Japanese ships. Geysers of water erupt upwards but no damage is done. The remaining enemy planes head for home, pursued here and there by Japanese planes.
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There are no further enemy air strikes this day. The good mood in the carrier groups is only slightly dampened by word of Natori’s fate and by the column of smoke visible in the distance rising from Ulithi, evidence of an enemy patrol plane’s bomb hit on one of the freighters.
RE: Small Ship, Big War
well, in game terms - the operation was a major success for japanese player
in war terms - let's see if any freighters survive...
in war terms - let's see if any freighters survive...
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
ORIGINAL: Durbik
well, in game terms - the operation was a major success for japanese player
in war terms - let's see if any freighters survive...
Major success? Really? 1 CL and 1 DD + ?AKs vs. 1 CL, 13 DD + some PTs... a success, but i would not consider it major success, and it this point in the war, it COULD be that the Allies come out ahead in relative strengths (i.e. maybe it decreased IJN strength by 2%, Allied strength by 1%), the sad math of attrition warfare... but, it's hard to know since we are only getting a worm's eye view of the war...
i'd say a MAJOR success is one that succeeded in stopping the Allied operation, which i doubt will happen here.
RE: Small Ship, Big War
This late in the war, I just view the Japanese fleet as currency to be spent in exchange for Allied ships. The IJN -will- get sunk. Whether it gets sunk in port because Allied LBA blankets the Pacific, or sunk by CVs or LBA trying to scurry from here to there, or sunk in battle - the IJN *will* get sunk.
Altho a somewhat fatalistic view, I then consider where is the most equitable trade is to be had. Getting sunk in between ports nets nothing obviously. Getting pounded in port (altho difficult to actually sink) nets nothing as well.
Last option being, trying take as much down with you, as you can. Planning and seizing those opportunities are tough; but CF has certainly accomplished it. Trading a CL for a CL as 1-to-1 trade this late in the war is difficult to manage at best, given the odds are that the IJN CL would be sunk in transit or in port otherwise, makes an "even exchange" a good thing. And popping all those DDs is certainly nothing but cream.
Sure, it's not going to really dimish the Allied OB. But again, CF "traded" in much to his favor, which again, is extremely difficult at this stage (and will only get harder).
While they're not playing for points (I'm guessing they're not), he probably racked up 120+ points, which further translates to the Allied player needing 240+ points to regain the ground for 2x victory in 1945. Granted, that one major air-battle, but it illustrates the opportunity cost of the battle.
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Altho a somewhat fatalistic view, I then consider where is the most equitable trade is to be had. Getting sunk in between ports nets nothing obviously. Getting pounded in port (altho difficult to actually sink) nets nothing as well.
Last option being, trying take as much down with you, as you can. Planning and seizing those opportunities are tough; but CF has certainly accomplished it. Trading a CL for a CL as 1-to-1 trade this late in the war is difficult to manage at best, given the odds are that the IJN CL would be sunk in transit or in port otherwise, makes an "even exchange" a good thing. And popping all those DDs is certainly nothing but cream.
Sure, it's not going to really dimish the Allied OB. But again, CF "traded" in much to his favor, which again, is extremely difficult at this stage (and will only get harder).
While they're not playing for points (I'm guessing they're not), he probably racked up 120+ points, which further translates to the Allied player needing 240+ points to regain the ground for 2x victory in 1945. Granted, that one major air-battle, but it illustrates the opportunity cost of the battle.
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
It's a major success - many enemy ships sunk, SCTF ran away from all those aircraft, the losses include only a crippled CL, PLUS the goal of the operation - bringing some supplies to the atoll was made like 60% more possible. What would you want from IJN in 1944 to call it a success? Blocking Panama Channel?
And it's only in GAME TERMS - points, lack of DD's at the very scene for now, LCU resupplied, so they can hold a week or two more... It's not a whole-campaign-kickass-victory-woozah!
And it's only in GAME TERMS - points, lack of DD's at the very scene for now, LCU resupplied, so they can hold a week or two more... It's not a whole-campaign-kickass-victory-woozah!
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
Well, if sitting on the sea-bottom is called crippled, yes, the NATORI was crippled, and so was the WAKAZUKI "crippled" in a similar fashion, and we still don't know the cost to AKs. KIRISHIMA and TONE will be "in the shop" for a while - assuming they don't sink a week later as IJN ships are prone to do.ORIGINAL: Durbik
It's a major success - many enemy ships sunk, SCTF ran away from all those aircraft, the losses include only a crippled CL, PLUS the goal of the operation - bringing some supplies to the atoll was made like 60% more possible. What would you want from IJN in 1944 to call it a success? Blocking Panama Channel?
And it's only in GAME TERMS - points, lack of DD's at the very scene for now, LCU resupplied, so they can hold a week or two more... It's not a whole-campaign-kickass-victory-woozah!
A success, yes, but a minor one... any success should be savored at this point of the war.
RE: Small Ship, Big War
Crippled IN a fight - and sunk after that by SBD. Minor losses to the aircraft that is
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
ORIGINAL: Durbik
Crippled IN a fight - and sunk after that by SBD. Minor losses to the aircraft that is
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
enough already, got all anglosaxon mr-knowitalls at work here to argue with you upon some pointless misunderstanding
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RE: Small Ship, Big War
It is generally not considered within the bounds of forum etiquette to make (apparently) racially motivated insults.ORIGINAL: Durbik
enough already, got all anglosaxon mr-knowitalls at work here to argue with you upon some pointless misunderstanding
RE: Small Ship, Big War
is "anglosaxon" a race? there are only 3 human races, and 3 their mixes...
ok, sorry if you're insulted
ok, sorry if you're insulted
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