Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[PN79]

ORIGINAL: Jakers123

My post from the build 870.4 thread, should have put it here in the start.

ORIGINAL: Jakers123

Has the MiG 29 9.12B thing been fixed? Last time I played CMANO, Serbia/Yugoslavia had the regular Soviet version MiG 29 9.12 (or ,,MiG 29A"), but the difference between MiG 29 9.12 (Soviet version), MiG 9.12A (Warsaw pact (Bulgaria, East Germany,...)version) and 9.12B (third countries (Iraq, Yugoslavia,etc.)) version is gigantic.

I don't know much about the Warsaw pact 9.12A version, I know that it is a little downgraded, but the 9.12B version has a radar that is almost two times weaker than the original one, I think that it can't carry all (non-nuclear) AA missiles that the regular version can, it doesn't have an IFF system and I think that it doesn't even have the flares/chaff system, although I am not sure about that last thing.

So could you please replace the Serbian and Iraqi MiG's with the downgraded ones that they really have? The English name for the 9.12B is ,,MiG 29B" I think, so maybe you'll find some info that way.

By the way, Serbia just received 6 MiG's 29 from Russia, 3 - 9.13 versions, 2 - UB versions and one - 9.12 version(original Soviet one), they are supposed to come in March 2017, also Serbia received 30 T-72S tanks (Shilden) and 30 BRDM-2 in that donation. More info about that, in Russian http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2338635.html

I just checked again, it says that Serbia has ,,MiG 29 Fulcrum A" , the Soviets have the exact same thing, but funny thing is that even though the name is same, Serbian one has a ,,Slot Back [N-019EB Rubin]" radar and Soviets have the ,,Slot Back [N-019 Rubin]" , so that is correct, BUT, both have 40nm range, even though the export EB radar has a range that is double less, so I guess around 20nm, there's probably some reliable info on the net.

Range for radar N-019 is same no matter if it is soviet or any export version. The only thing which was ever mentioned is in ability to operate against electronic jamming and even this was never confirmed. Originally Soviets wanted to export MiG-29 with significantly reduced equipment and with R-24 missiles but India make clear that they will buy only non-downgraded version with newest missiles so export MiG-29 is not that much different from soviet ones despite that unfounded claims about downgrading.

[PN79]

ORIGINAL: CV60

Minor suggested change for the SA-2f/S-75M Volkhov facilities (DB3000 Facility_522, 231, 1459, 1706, 409, 1498, 1332, 1288, 1788, 269, 1621, 16, 1405, 1618; CWDB Facility_754, 909, 720, 961, 759, 964, 1637, 752, 318, 908, 1588):

The listed acquisition ranges of the SA-2f battalion may be too large. In the game, their FAN SONG radars are listed as having an 80 nm range. According to Jane's (IHS. "S-75 Family." Land Warfare Platforms: Artillery & Air Defence, 30 July 2015) , an SA-2f Bn used the E-band FAN SONG F illuminator. This is correctly noted in the database. What is incorrect is that the FAN SONG F had an acquisition range of only 60-120 km (32-65 nm). This is in contrast to the SA-2d and SA-2e-associated FAN SONG E, which operated in the G-Band, and had had a longer acquisition range of 75-145 km (40-78 nm).

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/irfna/irfna ... irdef.html and Global Security (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=us) also report these same range numbers for the FAN SONG E and F.

The issue here is more complicated. Currently in game the "SA-2f" is the more advanced version of SA-2 family and is using 5Ya23 (V-759) missiles. This is however not correct. SA-2F was continuation of "Dvina" line of SA-2 development and as it is written in your post operating in E-band with lower acquisition range. As such it can use only 1D or 11D family of missiles and what is more important SA-2F was modernization of older SA-2A and SA-2B (both belong to "Dvina" family) or purposedly built only for expor. The Soviet Union actually never used SA-2F because by 1969 all of its "Dvina" SA-2 were scrapped and replaced by more modern "Desna" SA-2C and the most advanced SA-2E "Volkhov".

The 5Ya23 missile is the latest missile for SA-2E "Volkhov" family.

So ideally current SA-2f in the game should be renamed to something like late SA-2E and "Fan Song F" should operate in G-band and should be able to use also 20D missiles.

I will partially cite myself from ACIG forum:

"Basic types:
SA-75 Dvina (1957)
SA-75M Dvina (1958)
S-75 Desna (1959)
S-75M Volkhov (1962)
S-75M1 Volkhov (1965)
S-75M2 Volkhov (1971)
S-75M3 Volkhov-3 (1975)

Modernization: - note: there were however several modernization steps
modernized SA-75M Dvina (70s, War Pac) ... SA-2F - in many sources is SA-2F described as final development of SA-2 but all pictures of SA-2F and also its description clearly show final modernization of SA-75 Dvina
modernized S-75M Volkhov (80s, War Pac) ... apparently SA-2E

development tree in SA-2 designation:
Dvina: SA-2A - SA-2B - SA-2F
Desna: SA-2C
Volkhov: SA-2E

note: after browsing through several decassified CIA documents it seems to me that US designation is tied to engagement radar and that terms "SA-2A" or "SA-2B" etc. are not used at all (at least not in CIA documents). Designations of engagements radars for SA-2 variants:
Fan Song A - SA-75 Dvina --- originally named as "Fruit Set" in CIA document from 1959 (SOVIET CAPABILITIES IN GUIDED MISSILES AND SPACE VEHICLES (NIE 11-5-59)) and later up to at least 1961 --- according to CIA no longer used by Soviets by 1966
Fan Song B - SA-75M Dvina --- according to CIA almost discarded from use in USSR in 1968 and not used by 1969
Fan Song C - S-75 Desna --- according to CIA in 1971 constitutes half of soviet SA-2
Fan Song D - ???
Fan Song E - S-75M, M1, M2 and M3 Volkhov --- according to CIA in 1971 constitutes the second half of soviet SA-2
Fan Song F - modernized SA-75M Dvina --- not used by Soviets, for export only
--- "SA-2" name is for system, "Guideline" for missile
--- "Fan Song" designation is in document "CUBA: LIKELIHOOD OF AN ATTEMPTED SHOOTDOWN OF A U-2" from 1967 and later
--- up to this time I did not find exact designations "Fan Song A" and "Fan Song D" in CIA documents "

[trujillocorreo]

Happy New Year!

Please make the following modifications and inclusions in the Colombian DB.

AIRCRAFT

# 4250 AH-60L ARPIA IV
Include SPIKE NLOS missiles + datalink
Possible loadout to include:
-Up to 16 SPIKE NLOS (4x4)
-Up to 8 SPIKE NLOS (4x2) + 2 X 450 USG Drop tank
-8 SPIKE NLOS + 4 SPIKE ER + 4 SPIKE LR
-4 SPIKE NLOS + 2 SPIKE ER + 2 SPIKE LR + 2 X 450 USG Drop tank.


https://youtu.be/PAOtlO1XaJ4

# 2228 Kfir C.10
Include ECM + HMDS suite:
-MAWS + Chaff / Flares Dispenser (2010)
-DECM + Elbit DASH Helmet Mount Display and Sight. (2016)




http://americamilitar.com/articulos/p2/#gsc.tab=0

Include UAV's
-ScanEagle (2008)
-HERMES 450 and HERMES 900 (2012)





Include CN 235EW (CASA 235 modified with ELBIT System Air Keeper airborne SIGINT / EW system)
A unit. (2015).


http://www.intelligent-aerospace.com/ar ... ystem.html

SHIPS

# 2738 CM 51 Admiral Padilla (Type FS1500)
-Modify the mount 2 x SSM 700K quad (8 missiles) to 2 x SSM 700K double (4 missiles)
-Modify the sonar to CAPTAS 4-2 which is an HMS sonar of the PSQS-21xx family and not a VDS sonar (variable depth sonar) as it appears in the DB.


SUBMARINES

# 602 SS 28 Pijao (Type 209-1200)
Modernization from the year 2014:
-Atlas Elektronik Combat System ISUS 90-111 (Hull, Flank, Acoustic Intercep)
-Periscope SERO 250
-UME-100 Radar Warning Receivers
-Radar navigation
-DM2A3 torpedoes.



http://americamilitar.com/actualidad-mi ... &gsc.tab=0
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... -pijao.htm
http://www.chiphallgroup.com/colombian-navy-chiphall/


FACILITY

Include AN / TPS 78 portable radar.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 1383055045

[Mgellis]

Got to love those frickin' lethal little Russian corvettes...

Class: Karakurt-class corvette (Project 2280.0)
Type: Corvette
Service: Russian navy
Service Dates: 2018-
Pennants: Uragan, Taifun, Shkval, Cyklon, Shtorm (+13 more, total of 18 in class)
Displacement: 800 tons
Length: 65 meters
Beam: 10 meters
Depth: 4 meters
Installed power: [not listed]
Propulsion: [not listed]
Speed: 30 kts.
Range: 2500 nm.
Radar: [not listed but shown in some illustrations]
Sonar: [not listed]
Endurance: 15 days
Complement: [not listed]
Armament: 1 × 76.2 mm 59-caliber AK–176M automatic dual-purpose gun (some sources list a 100-mm gun), 1 × Pantsir-M, 2 × 4 UKSK VLS cells with Kalibr-NK system or P-800 Onix, 2 × 14.5 mm MTPU machineguns

Aircraft carried: Does not look like it has a landing pad
Boats carried: Looks like 1 7-meter RHIB

(Some information is missing but maybe enough to get an initial version in the database? Thanks for considering this one.)

https://sputniknews.com/russia/20160807 ... -analysis/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakurt-class_corvette

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir-S1 <-- information on the SAM system carried

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.word ... ect-22800/

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.file ... /22800.jpg <-- shows lots of proposed sensors, etc.

http://defence.pk/threads/russian-navy- ... km.455037/

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... osiya.html

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -navy.html

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis


Got to love those frickin' lethal little Russian corvettes...

Class: Karakurt-class corvette (Project 2280.0)
Type: Corvette
Service: Russian navy
Service Dates: 2018-
Pennants: Uragan, Taifun, Shkval, Cyklon, Shtorm (+13 more, total of 18 in class)
Displacement: 800 tons
Length: 65 meters
Beam: 10 meters
Depth: 4 meters
Installed power: [not listed]
Propulsion: [not listed]
Speed: 30 kts.
Range: 2500 nm.
Radar: [not listed but shown in some illustrations]
Sonar: [not listed]
Endurance: 15 days
Complement: [not listed]
Armament: 1 × 76.2 mm 59-caliber AK–176M automatic dual-purpose gun (some sources list a 100-mm gun), 1 × Pantsir-M, 2 × 4 UKSK VLS cells with Kalibr-NK system or P-800 Onix, 2 × 14.5 mm MTPU machineguns

Aircraft carried: Does not look like it has a landing pad
Boats carried: Looks like 1 7-meter RHIB

(Some information is missing but maybe enough to get an initial version in the database? Thanks for considering this one.)

https://sputniknews.com/russia/20160807 ... -analysis/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakurt-class_corvette

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantsir-S1 <-- information on the SAM system carried

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.word ... ect-22800/

https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.file ... /22800.jpg <-- shows lots of proposed sensors, etc.

http://defence.pk/threads/russian-navy- ... km.455037/

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... osiya.html

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -navy.html

Been waiting on this one because I haven't found details on the SAM and radar yet. If you can help with this it would move this forward.

Thanks!

Mike

[Vici Supreme]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Been waiting on this one because I haven't found details on the SAM and radar yet. If you can help with this it would move this forward.

Thanks!

Mike

Saw this the other day. It's only the brochure for the export version but still...

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2110888.html

[Vici Supreme]

Sorry. Accidentally reposted an old post.

[Triode]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk


Been waiting on this one because I haven't found details on the SAM and radar yet. If you can help with this it would move this forward.

Thanks!

Mike

hmm, keep in mind that "Karakurt" have "Panthir-M" only starting from 4th hull("Shkval"), for 1-3 it is 2x AK-630

and "Pantsir-M" is Navy variant of "Pantsir-SM" and have 40km missile

as for radars it is variant of "Mineral-M" family, 2xPESA (OTH,in active 250km , passive radar pelengation 450 km for surfase target) in two forward looking "windows"

and "Pozitiv-M1.2" on top

+ MR-123-02 for gun

also there is navigation radar and "Pantsir-M" radar with range 75km

in 2017 we will see how this "Pantsir-M" will looks like on pr.12417

something like this...

[Rory Noonan]

DB entry 1906 - DDG 42 Mahan (Farragut Class) has 15 tons capacity of Oil fuel, while the smaller Knox frigates (db 1842) have a capacity of 680 tons. There also seems to be a large disparity in fuel consumption, the Farraguts use 1kg/min at cruise while the Knox use 37.77kg/min.

I'm wondering if there is an error with the Farraguts?

Edit: this is with db 447 and SR6 build 870.4

[DeSade]

Small corrections to the DB:

#3078 - Type 082B Wozang:

a. new version has H/PJ-14 single barreled 30mm gun (not in DB) in place of dual 25mm. Its basically stripped down H/PJ-17 without LLP12A FCS (only iron sights). Its not 7-barreled "goalkeeper like" H/PJ-14 1130.
b. She remote controls 3 quite large (100 tons) Type 529 (Wonang class) unmanned surface vehicles acting as additional minehunters.

Pictures attached, confirmation source:

http://www.janes.com/article/66644/chinese-navy-commissions-fifth-wozang-class-mcmv

#978 Kh-35U according to Janes has:

a. larger then DB launch altitude envelope (up to 10.000m)
b. higher then in DB minimal range (4+nm). As for maximal range, data from Janes regards export version (Kh-25UE), so its possible that its higher for domestic one.

Source:

http://www.janes.com/article/57975/russian-bomber-shown-carrying-anti-shipping-missile-in-syria

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: apache85

DB entry 1906 - DDG 42 Mahan (Farragut Class) has 15 tons capacity of Oil fuel, while the smaller Knox frigates (db 1842) have a capacity of 680 tons. There also seems to be a large disparity in fuel consumption, the Farraguts use 1kg/min at cruise while the Knox use 37.77kg/min.

I'm wondering if there is an error with the Farraguts?

Edit: this is with db 447 and SR6 build 870.4

There might be.I know the Knox's are right and just fixed the Burke's due to some new info we got. I'll be do an audit soon but this will require some significant research. I may not get to it until C2 if the error isn't that bad.

Thanks!

Mike

[Rory Noonan]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk


There might be.I know the Knox's are right and just fixed the Burke's due to some new info we got. I'll be do an audit soon but this will require some significant research. I may not get to it until C2 if the error isn't that bad.

Thanks!

Mike

The range and endurance seems about right, so it's not a big issue. The only real effect is that I can refuel it from empty 40 times off a single AOR &#128512;

[edsw]

Spend exeperimental in the game, and noticed that the altitude does not affect the detection range is not. Terms: The blue side of the Rafale fighter, the red side 2 Su-27 at different heights, and Rafal discovers them at the same distance. Is this true? Just as I know at low altitude detection range should be less.

And still in the game are implementing radar cross-section for non-stealth aircraft? Fighter Rafale finds Su-27 and Su-35s at the same distance, but as far as I know, the Su-35s were taken to reduce radar visibility (coverings, the engine AL -41F1S is smaller turbine blades, which also reduces the visibility).
It indicated from 0.5 to 2.0.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-533.html

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

US ANG F-15Cs should be have an available Sniper Pod loadout as of 2015.

Combat Aircraft (Oct 2016, "Guardsmen in Bulgaria", pp. 77-78)

"...and two of them (104th FW Mass ANG F-15Cs) also carried the Sniper targetting pod...The Sniper pod is cued by the F-15C's APG-63V(3) radar in order to know where to look to pick up aerial targets at long distances, and has fairly good air-to-air tracking capability. Thus, it has become a useful tool for the homeland air defense mission performed by the ANG Eagles...The Sniper pod, integrated on the F-15C, has been tested successfully in tracking slow-moving and even maritime targets."

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/florid ... 1694154634

The Florida Air National Guard's F-15Cs are some of the most advanced in the world, with many of them receiving the APG-63V3 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. The "V3" as it is called, is a quantum leap in capability over the mechanically scanned array APG-63 and is considered to be one of, if not thee most power and capable air-to-air radar in the world. Also, the 125th FW is the first F-15C unit to incorporate the Sniper targeting pod for air-to-air use, allowing crews to identify targets visually at extreme ranges. To my knowledge, they remain the only unit that is fully operational with the Sniper pod at this time, a capability that will enhance their utility when it comes to intercepting foreign aircraft under various conditions.

https://warisboring.com/the-pentagon-ha ... .5x4h3j3vl

The Air National Guard is ahead of the curve. In 2011, the reserve force began testing the Lockheed-made Sniper targeting pod on one of its approximately 130 Boeing F-15C fighters.
The Sniper pod, normally used to spot ground targets, includes much of the same technology as IRST and has “some pretty good air-to-air tracking capability,” according to Jon Sutter, Lockheed’s Sniper manager.
The two-year Sniper test was meant to improve the reserves’ ability to inspect suspicious aircraft at night—but the IR pod could also work against stealth planes. Northrop Grumman’s Litening pod reportedly has the same ability—especially in its new ATP-SE version.

Interesting but pretty sure this has been replaced with Legion and eventually Talon Hate. I've added both of those to the DB F-15C and F-16 loadouts.

Mike

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: apache85

ORIGINAL: mikmyk


There might be.I know the Knox's are right and just fixed the Burke's due to some new info we got. I'll be do an audit soon but this will require some significant research. I may not get to it until C2 if the error isn't that bad.

Thanks!

Mike

The range and endurance seems about right, so it's not a big issue. The only real effect is that I can refuel it from empty 40 times off a single AOR &#128512;

LOL. I've been making some fixes to AOR fuel as well. Lots of weird stuff there.

Mike

[Primarchx]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

US ANG F-15Cs should be have an available Sniper Pod loadout as of 2015.


Interesting but pretty sure this has been replaced with Legion and eventually Talon Hate. I've added both of those to the DB F-15C and F-16 loadouts.

Mike

Both of those are still in development while some F-15C ANG units are currently fielding Sniper pods. Given my druthers I'd take Talon HATE, though...

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

ORIGINAL: Primarchx

US ANG F-15Cs should be have an available Sniper Pod loadout as of 2015.


Interesting but pretty sure this has been replaced with Legion and eventually Talon Hate. I've added both of those to the DB F-15C and F-16 loadouts.

Mike

Both of those are still in development while some F-15C ANG units are currently fielding Sniper pods. Given my druthers I'd take Talon HATE, though...

For the datalink yeah but you're gaining more weight to do it. Ok maybe I'll set these to 2017+ only and reset the 2016 to snipers.

Thanks!

Mike

[Mgellis]

Some more information for Chinese submarines...

http://www.popsci.com/first-picture-chi ... -type-093b <-- more information on Type 093B

http://defence.pk/threads/china%E2%80%9 ... ws.302638/ <-- series of postings on various types of Chinese subs; may prove useful

Type 095 SSN

The Type 095 attack submarine would be an interesting addition to the database. Not much information is available...perhaps a speculative early version could be added? Take a Type 093 (the newest version) and make it quieter (i.e., reduce sonar signature) and maybe a little faster and perhaps modify the weapons load to add/increase VLS capability?

http://www.popsci.com/new-chinese-subma ... aval-power <-- thoughts on the Type 095 (maybe enough information to put an early version in the database?)

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php? ... pic&nojs=1 <-- additional information, rather sketchy, on Type 095, but lots of links that may be useful

https://chinadailymail.com/2014/10/05/c ... ubmarines/ <-- lists speeds for Type 095

http://thediplomat.com/2015/05/revealed ... simulator/ <-- article from The Diplomat

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ype-95.htm <-- Global.Security article on Type 095

https://cofda.wordpress.com/tag/type-09 ... submarine/ <-- a few sketchy details


Type 096 SSBN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_096_submarine <-- basic Wikipedia page with almost no information, but included for completeness and references
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2015/05/ch ... specs.html <-- a bit more information
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world ... pe-096.htm <-- some thoughts from Global.Security


Some information on the Type 098 SSBN (!), some of which sounds a bit like science fiction, frankly, but perhaps worth considering...

http://defence-blog.com/news/china-newe ... arine.html
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201505051021716332/
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/thre ... ots.53896/
http://megamagtest.blogspot.com/2014/05 ... es-in.html
http://errymath.blogspot.com/2014/02/sh ... e-098.html
https://chinadailymail.com/2013/08/22/c ... 100-knots/

(If this thing is for real, it is scary!)

Anyway, I hope all this is useful. Thanks for considering these.

[Raptorx7_slith]

DB Entry #1679 SY-400 MLRS [BP-12A Capability] is missing its BP-12A munition, I tried to give it some by adding a magazine but I couldn't find it.

Updated

[Hongjian]

We still know too few about the 09V SSN, let alone the 09VI SSBN, 09VII, 09VIII SSBNs etc.

For what is worth, the recently completed giant roofed submarine production yard in the northeast will be mass-producing 09Vs according to rumors. So, the first leaked photo might not be too far away.