18 Oct:
Burma: He loses 56 Tony's and 20 zero's. (19 and 11 in air-to-air respectively) The rest on the ground. I lose 45 front line fighters. Not too bad.
He appears to have withdrawn form Akyab. I will hit it again next turn. He may still be covering it with LRCAP and if not it will be a nice training mission.
China: A long battle around Ichang appears to have resolved itself. I had encircled his forces at Ichange in order to try and gain some type of advantage. This became a dangerous strategy when I discovered that I didn't have enough supply to support my troops out in the countryside.
Jwilkerson had an opportunity to really hurt me as a bunch of my Corps had no supply at all!!!! I've now managed to pull these guys all back to Homan where I now have a very large force. Some of these units still have zero supply but I'm expecting they will get a shipment soon. (I have 43,000 sp at Chungking--so something should ship eventually).
Jwilkerson has some armored units near Homan which may try to encircle me there. If he moves fast he may be able to accomplish something while I'm still recovering supply. But I'd doubt he will move. He doesn't know about the difficulties I'm having and he is probably having similar difficulties of his own.
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22 Oct
22 Oct:
Over the last two turns (4 days) Japan has lost 90 more front line fighters. So I count 166 fighters in the last 6 days. His numbers in the air over Burma droped in the last day allowing me to get better then 1-1 fighter kill ratio's. Most of these kills have come in the air which means lots of dead pilots.
My recon detected his fighters back at Akyab. This surprises as the airfield still shows 76 pts of damage. But no matter. Akyab is my easiest target and if he is willing to fight me there I will take the safe kills. I still have a P40 group in reserve so I can keep this up for at least another 6 days before I have to rest my P40's.
Long term I intend to upgrade the AVG to P38's and send them to China. Currently I only have one 24 plane P38 group fighting in Burma. But I have 50+ P38's in the pool so the AVG upgrade is not far off.
He is still flying Nates in China. 72 P38's should be able to wreak havoc with these guys. His pilot training program will take quite a hit if I can pull off a couple turkey shoots over China.
Over the last two turns (4 days) Japan has lost 90 more front line fighters. So I count 166 fighters in the last 6 days. His numbers in the air over Burma droped in the last day allowing me to get better then 1-1 fighter kill ratio's. Most of these kills have come in the air which means lots of dead pilots.
My recon detected his fighters back at Akyab. This surprises as the airfield still shows 76 pts of damage. But no matter. Akyab is my easiest target and if he is willing to fight me there I will take the safe kills. I still have a P40 group in reserve so I can keep this up for at least another 6 days before I have to rest my P40's.
Long term I intend to upgrade the AVG to P38's and send them to China. Currently I only have one 24 plane P38 group fighting in Burma. But I have 50+ P38's in the pool so the AVG upgrade is not far off.
He is still flying Nates in China. 72 P38's should be able to wreak havoc with these guys. His pilot training program will take quite a hit if I can pull off a couple turkey shoots over China.
26 Oct
26 Oct:
The war of attrition continues. So far this month I've killed 298 front line fighters. Not quite as much as I'd hoped but it looks like I will exceed last months 345. More important a higher percentage of kills have been in the air which I'm pretty sure kills more pilots.
Jwilkerson has pulled most of his Tony's back except for a group at Mandalay which I will hit next turn. So for the last four days I've been fighting zero's and the weather.
China: My troops at Homan finally draw supply which is a big relief. Japan has assembled a huge armor force which is sitting in the countryside SW of Homan. (one hex off the rail). We're talking an armored division and 5 armored regiments. My recon shows over 1300 AFV!!!
I'm still a little worried that this force will try and cut in behind Homan. Now that my Homan force is supplied I think that I can deal with this but I'm not certain. If he tries to bypass Homan and go straight for Sien he could just possibly take the city by storm. Or he could end up with his entire armored force cut off and surrounded. So I'm sitting tight for now and will react to whatever he does.
The war of attrition continues. So far this month I've killed 298 front line fighters. Not quite as much as I'd hoped but it looks like I will exceed last months 345. More important a higher percentage of kills have been in the air which I'm pretty sure kills more pilots.
Jwilkerson has pulled most of his Tony's back except for a group at Mandalay which I will hit next turn. So for the last four days I've been fighting zero's and the weather.
China: My troops at Homan finally draw supply which is a big relief. Japan has assembled a huge armor force which is sitting in the countryside SW of Homan. (one hex off the rail). We're talking an armored division and 5 armored regiments. My recon shows over 1300 AFV!!!
I'm still a little worried that this force will try and cut in behind Homan. Now that my Homan force is supplied I think that I can deal with this but I'm not certain. If he tries to bypass Homan and go straight for Sien he could just possibly take the city by storm. Or he could end up with his entire armored force cut off and surrounded. So I'm sitting tight for now and will react to whatever he does.
30 Oct
30 Oct: I continue what must be by now the most boring AAR on record. But what can I do. With only one good carrier, (remember the Saratoga--it was damaged early in the war near Rabaul but is now finally repaired) what can I do. I certainly am not going up agianst his half million CV's!!!
In the air I killed 383 front line fighters-up from 345 last month. Plus a much greater percentage of these were air-to-air kills. So I just have to be hurting him. But it is strange to me that even at this stage he is grossly outproducing me in good fighters.
For the next month I have some pidling offensives planed in Alaska and along the Pacific perimeter. These may or may not go off depending on where his carriers pop up. In the meantime I will try shoot for 400 front line fighters next month while sending some P38's to China to try and kill abunch of those pilots flying the Nates.
In the air I killed 383 front line fighters-up from 345 last month. Plus a much greater percentage of these were air-to-air kills. So I just have to be hurting him. But it is strange to me that even at this stage he is grossly outproducing me in good fighters.
For the next month I have some pidling offensives planed in Alaska and along the Pacific perimeter. These may or may not go off depending on where his carriers pop up. In the meantime I will try shoot for 400 front line fighters next month while sending some P38's to China to try and kill abunch of those pilots flying the Nates.
RE: 30 Oct
Moses,
The aim of the exercise is to win the war, not produce an exciting AAR and in the process allow the forces of darkness to triumph.
Alfred
The aim of the exercise is to win the war, not produce an exciting AAR and in the process allow the forces of darkness to triumph.
Alfred
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RE: 30 Oct
It will be fun reading how an experienced player with his back up against the wall at the moment develops a strategy that he thinks may work (eventually), begins to implement that strategy, and then we see how it turns out.
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RE: 30 Oct
Well eventually I will prevail. But it will be slow going for a while.
On the naval side I will have a token force (3 CV's and 3 or 4CVL/CVE) in about two months. Against the current Japanese carrier force this fleet will still have no hope. But maybe by using it in areas where I have heavy LBA I might be able to run a few safe missions with my carriers.
I could invade some islands without carriers. It's easily possible to load 20 DD's with fast transport and start taking some of the islands around the perimeter. The problem is how to hold them. Japan can just let me take the island and then KB will arrive with ample infantry to destroy the forces that I have delivered up on a plate.
In fact I'm lucky that Jwilkerson has apparently decided not to launch further attacks. Were I playing John III I can guarantee he would be systematically taking all my remaining pacific islands.
So whats left???
In the south pacific I plan to launch some attacks on his advanced recon bases. These are defended with only SNLF's and should be able to be taken quickly. Possibly They can be taken and I can evacuate my forces before KB arrives.
In Alaska he has left one undefended Island. (Starts with an 'O') that I plan to take soon. My transports are already loaded and I have quite a bit of LBA which can hopefully fend off his small carrier force in the area. Then I dig in and wait to see what he does. To retake it he will have to fight a lot of LBA and my BB's might find some play there.
In the air I continue to attrit him. I am now shifting forces to China. 3 or 4 groups of Hurricane/Spitfires are en-route and my big P38AVG group will be ready soon. Then I will try and destroy his training program. He flys 3 or 4 hundred Nates daily on training runs against my troops in China. I assume he then rotates them with his Tony groups. Either that or by now he has the best trained Nate pilots in the world.
Since I have been destroying quite a few Tony groups each turn I assume that quite a bit of rotation is now occuring. In fact I've noticed a slight downturn in China attacks as I assume his units are upgrading to Tony's and moving to Burma. At the same time Tony units from Burma are downgrading to Nates and moving to China for training. (There are no Tony's/zero's/Tojo's in China at all.)
So I will keep pounding in Burma for as long as I can. I'm running out of P40's but I want to keep him churning his fighter force. Then my China air offensive will kick in. (I suspect around 10-15 Nov. Hundreds of Nate pilots will die and perhaps this will disrupt his training efforts.
On the naval side I will have a token force (3 CV's and 3 or 4CVL/CVE) in about two months. Against the current Japanese carrier force this fleet will still have no hope. But maybe by using it in areas where I have heavy LBA I might be able to run a few safe missions with my carriers.
I could invade some islands without carriers. It's easily possible to load 20 DD's with fast transport and start taking some of the islands around the perimeter. The problem is how to hold them. Japan can just let me take the island and then KB will arrive with ample infantry to destroy the forces that I have delivered up on a plate.
In fact I'm lucky that Jwilkerson has apparently decided not to launch further attacks. Were I playing John III I can guarantee he would be systematically taking all my remaining pacific islands.
So whats left???
In the south pacific I plan to launch some attacks on his advanced recon bases. These are defended with only SNLF's and should be able to be taken quickly. Possibly They can be taken and I can evacuate my forces before KB arrives.
In Alaska he has left one undefended Island. (Starts with an 'O') that I plan to take soon. My transports are already loaded and I have quite a bit of LBA which can hopefully fend off his small carrier force in the area. Then I dig in and wait to see what he does. To retake it he will have to fight a lot of LBA and my BB's might find some play there.
In the air I continue to attrit him. I am now shifting forces to China. 3 or 4 groups of Hurricane/Spitfires are en-route and my big P38AVG group will be ready soon. Then I will try and destroy his training program. He flys 3 or 4 hundred Nates daily on training runs against my troops in China. I assume he then rotates them with his Tony groups. Either that or by now he has the best trained Nate pilots in the world.
Since I have been destroying quite a few Tony groups each turn I assume that quite a bit of rotation is now occuring. In fact I've noticed a slight downturn in China attacks as I assume his units are upgrading to Tony's and moving to Burma. At the same time Tony units from Burma are downgrading to Nates and moving to China for training. (There are no Tony's/zero's/Tojo's in China at all.)
So I will keep pounding in Burma for as long as I can. I'm running out of P40's but I want to keep him churning his fighter force. Then my China air offensive will kick in. (I suspect around 10-15 Nov. Hundreds of Nate pilots will die and perhaps this will disrupt his training efforts.
1 Nov
1 Nov: There has been a short pause in the game as Jwilkerson had a bussiness trip to attend to.
Burma: A massive furball over Akyab. 56 Tony's go down-48 in air to air. I lose about the same number of P40's. Basically I lost a month of P40 production in 2 days. As he is probably producing 200+ Tony's per month I cannot suustain this much longer. Akyab looks to be out of action for the next turn so perhaps I can rest my fighters a little.
China: His huge Armor force (1 Armor Division and 7 regiments!!!!) Advances all the way to Sien!!! Japan has blown a couple of my Corps away in the open terrain and has used the pursue option to gain ground. At the moment his armor force seems to be a bit dispersed. Recon shows only one element in Sien and 2 on the rail between Sien and Homan. The rest are still out in the countryside.
I have to wonder at his supply situation as well. I have a couple small units cutting his most direct supply routes. So he has to draw supply overland through Ichang and then west across country. I'll try and shock attack that unit out of Sien this turn and I will send some troops north from Homan to secure the rail.
It's possible that I can do some real damage to his armor. But I am also worried that my force in Homan might get cut off. That would be very bad.
Burma: A massive furball over Akyab. 56 Tony's go down-48 in air to air. I lose about the same number of P40's. Basically I lost a month of P40 production in 2 days. As he is probably producing 200+ Tony's per month I cannot suustain this much longer. Akyab looks to be out of action for the next turn so perhaps I can rest my fighters a little.
China: His huge Armor force (1 Armor Division and 7 regiments!!!!) Advances all the way to Sien!!! Japan has blown a couple of my Corps away in the open terrain and has used the pursue option to gain ground. At the moment his armor force seems to be a bit dispersed. Recon shows only one element in Sien and 2 on the rail between Sien and Homan. The rest are still out in the countryside.
I have to wonder at his supply situation as well. I have a couple small units cutting his most direct supply routes. So he has to draw supply overland through Ichang and then west across country. I'll try and shock attack that unit out of Sien this turn and I will send some troops north from Homan to secure the rail.
It's possible that I can do some real damage to his armor. But I am also worried that my force in Homan might get cut off. That would be very bad.
5 Nov
5 Nov:
Air War: Over 4 days another 52 zero's and 11 Tony's go down against 12 P40's. Of course I lose a bunch of lessor fighters so I'm not getting 6-1 kill ratio's. I don't worry about bomber losess or F4F's. (I have lots of these in the pool--506 F4F's for example). Same with Kittyhawks, dutch aircraft, and pretty much anything other then P40's. Overall though we are losing aircraft at about a 1-1 ratio.
I've switched AVG to P38's and it is in Chungking now repairing. 3 Hurricane and 2 Spitfire groups are also now in China. These short range fighters have sat idle all war. I never have any targets within their range and Jwilkerson never bombs the bases that these fighters defend. So to get some use out of these I will try China.
So once AVG is ready I will use all these along with my Chinese fighters to try and execute 100 or so Nate pilots.
China: The situation has clarified as I clear the road to Homan of the 3 tank regiments that were in my way. Japan decided it had better clear up its rear area and sent the bulk of its armor to the rear and retreated the small units that I had disruptin his supply. One highlight is that my in my attack to clear Sien I set one of my units to pursue. The Japanese regiment was retreated on the first day and it went across the river. On the second day my pursuing unit crossed the river and automaticlly shock attacked and won easily. The Japanese unit was retreated 120 miles across a river in two days!!!
Alaska: My offensive here is set to go with all troops loaded on ships in Ankorage. Unfortunately he has a bunch of carriers and a large surface force camped out at Kiska. I could go in anyway I suppose and try to cover the attack with LBA. I have about 100 good fighters up there and it might not be so bad. But I'm going to wait a bit and see if they clear out.
Further south I have bombardment missions against Baker island and against his advanced recon base between Luganville and Lunga. Maybe this will attract the interest of his carriers and he will leave Alaska for a while.
Air War: Over 4 days another 52 zero's and 11 Tony's go down against 12 P40's. Of course I lose a bunch of lessor fighters so I'm not getting 6-1 kill ratio's. I don't worry about bomber losess or F4F's. (I have lots of these in the pool--506 F4F's for example). Same with Kittyhawks, dutch aircraft, and pretty much anything other then P40's. Overall though we are losing aircraft at about a 1-1 ratio.
I've switched AVG to P38's and it is in Chungking now repairing. 3 Hurricane and 2 Spitfire groups are also now in China. These short range fighters have sat idle all war. I never have any targets within their range and Jwilkerson never bombs the bases that these fighters defend. So to get some use out of these I will try China.
So once AVG is ready I will use all these along with my Chinese fighters to try and execute 100 or so Nate pilots.
China: The situation has clarified as I clear the road to Homan of the 3 tank regiments that were in my way. Japan decided it had better clear up its rear area and sent the bulk of its armor to the rear and retreated the small units that I had disruptin his supply. One highlight is that my in my attack to clear Sien I set one of my units to pursue. The Japanese regiment was retreated on the first day and it went across the river. On the second day my pursuing unit crossed the river and automaticlly shock attacked and won easily. The Japanese unit was retreated 120 miles across a river in two days!!!
Alaska: My offensive here is set to go with all troops loaded on ships in Ankorage. Unfortunately he has a bunch of carriers and a large surface force camped out at Kiska. I could go in anyway I suppose and try to cover the attack with LBA. I have about 100 good fighters up there and it might not be so bad. But I'm going to wait a bit and see if they clear out.
Further south I have bombardment missions against Baker island and against his advanced recon base between Luganville and Lunga. Maybe this will attract the interest of his carriers and he will leave Alaska for a while.
RE: 5 Nov
ORIGINAL: moses
The Japanese unit was retreated 120 miles across a river in two days!!!
I can't even run that fast!
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9 Nov
9 Nov:
Air War: 84 front line fighters go down against 15 of mine. A lot of these occur on the ground when my small British battlefleets hits Akyab and shuts down the airfield. A full squadren of Tony's are left at my mercy and my planes took advantage of the easy training runs.
My China P38's are nearly ready. I wanted to send them in next turn as the weather forcast is partly cloudy. But no sence going in half-assed and anyway Changsa was pounded pretty hard last turn and is nearly closed.
Alaska: No enemy ships sighted in the last two days. My invasion fleet will arrive at Dutch harbor this next turn. Unless his carriers turn up in the next 4 days I'm going in.
Air War: 84 front line fighters go down against 15 of mine. A lot of these occur on the ground when my small British battlefleets hits Akyab and shuts down the airfield. A full squadren of Tony's are left at my mercy and my planes took advantage of the easy training runs.
My China P38's are nearly ready. I wanted to send them in next turn as the weather forcast is partly cloudy. But no sence going in half-assed and anyway Changsa was pounded pretty hard last turn and is nearly closed.
Alaska: No enemy ships sighted in the last two days. My invasion fleet will arrive at Dutch harbor this next turn. Unless his carriers turn up in the next 4 days I'm going in.
13 Nov
13 Nov: The 9th and 10th were quite but the 11th and 12th were huge.
Air War: My P38's go into action in China and the results are impressive. 94 Nates go down. 47 in air-to-air and clearly the Nates cannot stand up against the P38's. Even outnumbered the P38's devastate the Nates. Overall for the 2 day turn Japn loses 154 planes to my 54!!!
At Homan I defend the base with 2 squadrens of I16's with 20 P38's flying LRC. 10 Nates and 3 Sally's go down for 6 I16's. Not a single P38 dies. He has lots more damaged. Here's a typical bombing run:
Day Air attack on Canton , at 43,41
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 30
Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 19
SB-2c x 25
Japanese aircraft losses --------------------- Allied aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 25 destroyed----------------------SB-2c: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 24
So the question now is what will Jwilkerson do?? The Nates are useless against P38's. (BTW my P38's were at low experience. Many pilots in the 50/60 range. I assume his Nates are much better as they have been flying ground attack missions continuously) So I assume that things can only get worse for Japan.
So I guess he has to swap out his Nates and put Tony's/Zero's in China. How fast can he do this and how much disruption will this cause?
Burma: He has BB's that sweep through Akyab occasionally trying to catch my BB TF. This turn my bombers hit. 32 B17E's attacked and the very first planes hit the BB Fuso. Slowed down this BB was then hit 18 times!!!! Of course 500 lb bombs can't hurt BB's much. But it is on fire and it makes me feel very good.
South Pacific: South of Lunga my bombardment TF is attacked by Betties's!! I havent seen them for months. They miss. I feel even better.
Alaska: No sign of his CV's so I'm going in. The invasion of Ogliuga is on. I have 100 P40's flying Cap and 4 BB's in the fleet. This is a risk but I'm on a roll.
Air War: My P38's go into action in China and the results are impressive. 94 Nates go down. 47 in air-to-air and clearly the Nates cannot stand up against the P38's. Even outnumbered the P38's devastate the Nates. Overall for the 2 day turn Japn loses 154 planes to my 54!!!
At Homan I defend the base with 2 squadrens of I16's with 20 P38's flying LRC. 10 Nates and 3 Sally's go down for 6 I16's. Not a single P38 dies. He has lots more damaged. Here's a typical bombing run:
Day Air attack on Canton , at 43,41
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 30
Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 19
SB-2c x 25
Japanese aircraft losses --------------------- Allied aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 25 destroyed----------------------SB-2c: 2 damaged
Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 24
So the question now is what will Jwilkerson do?? The Nates are useless against P38's. (BTW my P38's were at low experience. Many pilots in the 50/60 range. I assume his Nates are much better as they have been flying ground attack missions continuously) So I assume that things can only get worse for Japan.
So I guess he has to swap out his Nates and put Tony's/Zero's in China. How fast can he do this and how much disruption will this cause?
Burma: He has BB's that sweep through Akyab occasionally trying to catch my BB TF. This turn my bombers hit. 32 B17E's attacked and the very first planes hit the BB Fuso. Slowed down this BB was then hit 18 times!!!! Of course 500 lb bombs can't hurt BB's much. But it is on fire and it makes me feel very good.
South Pacific: South of Lunga my bombardment TF is attacked by Betties's!! I havent seen them for months. They miss. I feel even better.
Alaska: No sign of his CV's so I'm going in. The invasion of Ogliuga is on. I have 100 P40's flying Cap and 4 BB's in the fleet. This is a risk but I'm on a roll.
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RE: 13 Nov
ORIGINAL: moses
Burma: He has BB's that sweep through Akyab occasionally trying to catch my BB TF. This turn my bombers hit. 32 B17E's attacked and the very first planes hit the BB Fuso. Slowed down this BB was then hit 18 times!!!! Of course 500 lb bombs can't hurt BB's much. But it is on fire and it make me feel very good.
32 4Es and 18 hits? [:D] Reminds me about the thread that was recently started about altitude for 4Es when bombing ships! [:D]
RE: 13 Nov
Yes of course it is not quiet right. I don't think IRL 32 B17's would get 18 hits on a BB in the open sea.
But then again how often did Japanese ships hang about within bomber range without any escort at all???
But then again how often did Japanese ships hang about within bomber range without any escort at all???
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RE: 13 Nov
I take it that he is not getting close enough (range of 4) for you to use Beauforts against his runs at Akyab.
In CHS, there is a base only 2 hexes away.
In CHS, there is a base only 2 hexes away.
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Yes, Jwikerson avoids all of my aircraft with range 4 or less. He NEVER gets close enough for any of these to do anything. My SBD's, Hurricain's, Spitfires, etc. are basically of no value.
I have hundreds of all these aircraft in the pool but to what purpose?? In this game only long range aircraft are of significant value to the allied player.
I have hundreds of all these aircraft in the pool but to what purpose?? In this game only long range aircraft are of significant value to the allied player.
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RE: 13 Nov
If he's avoiding bases within range of those planes, isn't that of value?
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RE: 13 Nov
ORIGINAL: moses
Yes of course it is not quiet right. I don't think IRL 32 B17's would get 18 hits on a BB in the open sea.
But then again how often did Japanese ships hang about within bomber range without any escort at all???
yeah, that´s correct. I think if we would really play historical (or realistical) it would be REALLY boring as you won´t see a ship for months... [:D]
RE: 13 Nov
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
If he's avoiding bases within range of those planes, isn't that of value?
Indeed. Also there are some areas where you can advance under the cover of those aircraft, such as solomons and PNG.
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RE: 13 Nov
ORIGINAL: String
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
If he's avoiding bases within range of those planes, isn't that of value?
Indeed. Also there are some areas where you can advance under the cover of those aircraft, such as solomons and PNG.
except the Pacific, that should be everywhere possible. If you get to Burma, you should always have the next base in range of 4. Same if you advance North from Australia, New Guinea....
those Spits are excellent fighters for Cap IMO.