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RE: April 14th, 1942

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It remains to be seen how it plays out. I'm only 3 day behind the actual game now, so I can't see as much into the future as I used to. :)

Hengyang has too much to be able to clear them out. However, if reinforcements start to show up on the road to the west, I may pull these two Divisions back down to Hengyang because it might be enough to allow my garrison force on the south side of the river to cross over. That is 2/3 of a division, so not enough to suddenly taken Henyang, but it would be enough to allow me to bring over more forces in the future without worrying about a river cross if I need to do so from the south.

However, if recon shows the back country really empty, I will seriously consider a march to Kweiyang. I'd think that would really disrupt what little supply flow the Chinese have. However, this force is only 2 divisions, so it can only do so much. That being said, there are a some 200,000 or more Chinese stuck at Kienko, 150,000 at Tiensui (that base nw of Sian) and another 200,000 at Changsha. I'd estimate the Kweilin to Nanning area has another 100-150k as well. Given the loses from the large stacks wiped out in the past couple months it could be pretty empty back there.

At the same time, we have a Brigade infiltrating the Chungking plains to get around behind Kienko. That might create some chaos up there too.
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RE: April 14th, 1942

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Oh, and another 100k or so are the wooded hex just east of Ichang. I have a unit trying to sneak into Ichang as well since that would block the retreat path of that stack.

And finally there are 3 regiments of tanks getting ready to block the road east out of Nanning while the 104th Division returns from repair at Hanoi.

Lots of moving parts and it is hard to show well in text. I have a couple screens from April 16 or 17 where I'll try to illustrate everything that is happening.

With my airpower building up in the area, my general approach is going to be to moving as much as possible while using air to knock any reaction units out of move mode so that I can have a speed advantage. If I can't get a win withing a few turns, leave that hex with enough to pin a greater amount of Chinese and try to hit somewhere else. Whether I actually make good moves is of course a different question. [:D]
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RE: April 14th, 1942

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I was unable to recombine a divided air group that was both carrier capable and carrier trained. This was over a year ago and was not a bug. So, unless this has been changed, you cannot do so.
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RE: April 14th, 1942

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That crossing is the achilles heel of Changsha defense. If they don't pile on behind as well as in the base, it's trouble. Way to take advantage. Now just keep driving while surround his forces from the other side!
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RE: April 14th, 1942

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Thanks for the response on carrier trained recombining. That is good to know since I will go ahead and make sure I get the other parts of that unit Carrier trained as well.
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RE: April 14th, 1942

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Yup, I'm trying to pin the stack in Changsha, but it is a big one so I need to get a fair amount of troops in there. I have some in place, and already the effects of the crossing behind it are being seen. He had two units sitting one hex east of Changsha, and those are retreating back to Changsha, which thus frees up a division and a half for me to possibly move into Changsha.

Also, Units from Kweilin to Nanning are showing movement arrows to the northeast. Makes me think he doesn't have much of a safety net in the deep country up towards Kweiyang.
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RE: April 14th, 1942

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Just move in right behind them closing the hex side. The good defensive terrain works for you in Changsha too, so it will let you have 1/3 as much as the Chinese have there to hold them while you bypass it.
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RE: April 14th, 1942

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If you mean bring those units across the river from the west of Changsha, I'll get wrecked on the river crossing shock attack. As to bring in units from the east, that is what I am working on, but John has smartly placed a couple Chinese corps in the wood east of Changsha and I don't have enough there yet to bounce them. Thankfully he has started moving west, so if both of those units move then I can walk in. Will a Division and a brigade be enough to hold back 200,000 chinese? Maybe. But I'd rather bring in troops from the southeast and the east at the same time just to be safe. The question at the moment is how much is he moving west across the river? If it is a lot then that makes it easier for me to move into Changsha and pin a stack there. If it is a little, then it makes it easier for me to double back and grab all three bases on the west side of the river.

We will see...
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April 15th, 1942

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April 15th, 1942

India/Burma
We fly an A6M2 sweep over Colombo and shoot down a couple IIa Hurricanes.

DEI
B-17's continue to hit the port at Babo. I don't understand why.

Pacific
Southwest of Luganville, Lakatoro is occupied. The 8th Division starts loading at Luganville. The 21th Division is at port at Luganville as well. I'm sure they are sweltering in their ships. The 28th Division has arrived at Noumea and will attack tomorrow. It will take a few days to load up the 8th since it is a big division and there is a small port at Luganville with little naval support. I am hoping the 28th and 8th tank regiments will load faster since the port at Noumea is a little bigger.

Also, near Noumea, a pair of pesky SBD-3's get in one last hurrah and hit the xAP Kowa Maru twice which will probably sink the ship. In the afternoon two more attack, but they miss xAP Palau Maru.

China
We switch to sweeps and ground attack on Changsha today to slow down the units moving west. Hopefully that will buy me the day I need for my two divisions to move west. A silly game mechanic will work to my favor here. If I have no units in Siangtan when the Chinese cross, they don't launch a shock attack and thus need to spend an extra day issuing an attack to capture the base. Hopefully that day, plus my ground attacks will give me the time I need to clear out the path westward.

Also, I forget whether it was today or a couple days ago, but all the artillery that was at Manila has been unloaded at Hong Kong and is marching towards Changsha. If we can pin that stack, all this artillery will ensure the Chinese slowly die off there.

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Sapporo port goes to size 7. I think Ominato, Hakodate and Sapporo - and that one other base on the northwest corner of Honshu, have all gone up a size in port. So there is a pair of size 6 and a pair of size 7 to use. Combine that with the fact that I have already drained Hokkaido of all excess resources, I think I can now recalibrate my convoy TF's in that area and free up a lot of ships.

Darwin's airfield goes to size 5, so that should help us out if and when we capture that base.

Southwest Fleet HQ unit arrives at Soerabaja today as well.
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April 16th, 1942

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April 16th, 1942

India/Burma
SS Truant attacks and misses DD Kagero near Trincomalee.

The 16th Division arrived at Colombo yesterday so we did a DA today. We get 2377:870 adjusted assault (2:1) which bodes well. Forts drop to 1. The 48th Div arrives tomorrow and the 55th Div the day after that. So in three days we should be ready for the attack which may finally capture the base.

DEI
We unload another small unit at Mataram. I have one or two more on the way and then we should be ready to try and wipe out the garrison there again.

Pacific
We easily capture Noumea today with a 10:1 result. Odd to see a blue unit in the combat screen. Along with the 800 enemy POW's, we capture 7 SBD-2 and 15 SBD-3. I guess I should consider myself lucky they were only attacking in pairs given there were 22 of the dive bombers here. Transports are already in the port and will start loading the 28th Division and 8th Tank regiments immediately.

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South Pacific situation[/center]

China
Air attacks continue on Changsha, which seem to slow the Chinese down as no units cross the river today.

We manage to evacuate Siangtan, although we lose a VP due to the garrison requirement there. We will attack at Shaoyang tomorrow - with luck we will take the base on the first go. All air in the area will be hammering the enemy there. Even if it take two days, that's okay since the Chinese still haven't crossed into Siangtan yet.

DA at Sining today gets 242:223 (1:1) adjusted, and casualties are about 1:2 in our favor. Still no supply modifier so these Chinese seem to still have bullets.

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About 9 subchasers and a destroyer are put back into service after refits, mostly at Singapore and Tokyo.
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RE: April 14th, 1942

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I was unable to recombine a divided air group that was both carrier capable and carrier trained. This was over a year ago and was not a bug. So, unless this has been changed, you cannot do so.
It used to be that if you divided an air unit and got all parts carrier trained, then combined them, the whole unit was back to being NOT carrier trained. When Michael changed that he did it right so, as you say, all parts have to be consistent to combine.
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RE: April 14th, 1942

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AH, so it sounds like I might need to wait to combine them until we have upgraded to the beta patch.
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April 17th, 1942

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April 17th, 1942

India/Burma
Mostly quiet - some Blenheim bombers hit the 56th over at Cox's Bazaar. We also step up our bombing of the ground troops at Pegu in anticipation of crossing the river there in a couple more days.

DEI
We try an attack at Mataram now that we have four small units and still only get a 1:2 result. A garrison unit just arrived via ship from Tokyo at Soerabaja, so that means another 60AS SNLF unit is free there. We'll bring that one over and see if that will do it. This Prajoda Garrison is a tough unit!

Pacific
South of Noumea, the Isle of Pine is occupied. Sounds like a lovely place.

B-17's hit our troops at Terapo today, apparently in support of a shock attack planned by the Australian refugees in the jungle. We lose 1 disabled squad to the B-17s. The Australians charge us and only get a 1:3 result. Unless someone airdrops supplies to them I don't think they are a threat at this point.

China
More sweeps and ground attacks at Shaoyang to support the attack here today. We find just a couple of H81-A3's and some I-16-III's join them. We end up shooting down 1 H81 and 4 I-16's. Two ops losses for our Oscars.

The ground attack goes well, we get 4:1 against fort level 3. Not enough to capture, but the forts drop to 2 and given the amount of casualties we should capture the base tomorrow. Units here are the 63rd Chinese Corp and 79th Chinese corp - about 16,000 troops. They show negative fatigue modifiers (and prep and experience), which is odd since I'd think they had been here a while. Not that I'm complaining.

We try attacking the blocking force east of Changsha, which turns out to be a quiet strong 75th Chinese Corp, and Artillery unit and a Army HQ. We do lousy, getting 1:11 result, but the enemy units are showing move arrows west so maybe they will walk away for us? I suspect John may be worried they will get trapped out in the woods since I have units sitting southeast of Changsha as well.

DA at Sining again gets 1:1. Casualties look good, but hard to say for sure when this base will get captured.

Here's a couple pictures to try and illustrate China. Not sure if it helps or makes it more confusing! Basically, at each Chinese stack, we have about 30-50% of the same amount of troops to keep them pinned while we maneuver to trap them and/or drive deep. At Kienko, we have a decent force and if I can open the SW hex side, I may be able to pull out just enough troops to go and grab the other cities in the valley giving me some local supply production. I'm sure John will try to intervene but maybe we can make something happen there.

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Southern China

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Northern China[/center]

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Christmas Island (IO) expands to size 2, where we will leave it.
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April 18th, 1942

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April 18th, 1942

India/Burma
About 23 Blenheim IV's attack Trincomalee in the evening, and manage to bomb a single Oscar. As of yet I'm avoiding night CAP so that I can ensure maximum protection for my ships during the day light hours.

The 55th Division arrived at Colombo today so tomorrow is the day we attack with a full 10 divisions at Colombo. With any luck this will take the base and we will capture lots of experienced Allied troops.

Pacific
A small dot island northwest of Noumea is occupied today - Ouv'ea.

B-17E's again hit Terapo, but we have our Zero's helping out the Oscar As today and we manage to shoot down two B-17Es and damage several others.

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B-17E's in New Guinea[/center]

Near Ndeni, we capture Reef Island with our barge TF.

China
A few more H81-A3s are in the air at Shaoyang today, but not enough to hurt our bombers. We do lose 3 Oscars though for only 1 H81. The bomber make it through, though, which is the important part.

The bombers help out, and on the ground we manage to take Shaoyang with a 10:1 result. The two shattered Chinese corps retreat to Hengyang. It appears that only one small unit has entered Siangtan (which was freely occupied by the Chinese today), and no more move arrows are showing. So tomorrow, we will send our stronger Division east again, to reclaim Siangtan, then if that is successful, we will split up the smaller one at Shaoyang, and use 2 parts to garrison each base, and a third to move southwest and cut off the rail line from Kweilin. Meanwhile, the larger Division will move into Hengyang, hopefully providing enough AS value for our units south of the river to cross over. Even if we can't take the base yet, when all the artillery arrived from Canton, we should be able to wear the base down with air and arty since it is a clear hex. Finally, while all that is happening, we will roll 3 divisions into Changsha, in the hope of being just enough to maintain a presence so the enemy troops can't retreat from Changsha. One day at a time here though!

Sining DA is again only a 1:1 (187:139) but at least the adjusted AV numbers are getting closer to 2:1. Casualties were 72 IJA vs 690 Chinese, so that is a good sign as well. They are showing supply negative now too.

Since our tank unit way up north at Kiuchan was fully restored, I figured why not attack. It did and although we had one tank destroyed and one damaged, we managed to take out 5 enemy squads.

Submarines
I had originally placed a lot of submarines around Brisbane and Sydney since that was the last known location of Enterprise. We picked up several small cargo ships while stationed there, but since Enterprise has been sunk, it is time to redeploy to our next tactical area of operations. With this in mind, about half of the subs off the coast of Australia have been orders to sail to various points from slightly east of Pago Pago to slightly west of Suva. The other half, the half that is low on fuel or torpedoes, is heading back to Rabaul to rearm and will then join the fun at Suva/Pago Pago.
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April 19th, 1942 - Colombo Captured!

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April 19th, 1942

India/Burma
More night attacks on Trincomalee, this time with no hits at all.

The big news is a Colombo though, where after about 8 weeks of fighting the IJA finally captures the base! Today we get results of 10:1 and we capture 75,000 Commonwealth troops, although we do lose a tank regiment. Notable units destroyed include the 18th British Div, the 6th and 7th Australian Division, Eastern Fleet HQ and Ceylon Command HQ. See full list below. Also, below, you can see the some of the history of this battle as I have been tracking it. You can see a couple other units that were eliminated along the way. This victory brings our VP ratio up to 2.677:1 as we gain 2428 points today. 600 from the base and the rest presumably from the captured troops.

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Colombo surrendered units

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Colombo ground combat history EDA/EBA/ESA = enemy attack, DA/BA = Japan attacks, NP = not present, XX=unit destroyed[/center]

The fall of Colombo is definitely a big moment for us, but it is just that. A moment. The divisions will only have about 3 days to rest before transports show up to load them for their next job. We managed to capture about 30,000 supply from the Allies here which is great. Some of our more wrecked units will rest here longer, but the 95% or better TOE divisions are headed to Burma and/or Australia to get those areas under control before we start to settle in for defense and supply hoarding.

At Burma, we get a free capture at Toungoo, which is good since it means John won't know for sure what size unit is there. With Colombo captured, we order all system go on Burma. We will air drop 3 small parts of para units into three undefended bases (at least as of last recon check). Meanwhile the bulk of our planes will drop as much of the 1st Raider unit as possible into Bassein. We already have our tank regiment in place at Pegu, and a brigade is set to cross the river tomorrow there, so both of those units will attempt to coordinate their attacks. All air power in the area is on ground attack for Pegu.

The unit at Toungoo is on the march northeast towards Mandalay, and the 65th Brigade, which is quite a large one at 140% TOE, is unloading at Moulmein tomorrow. Hopefully three brigades, four para units and a tank regiment can hold things together for the first week while a couple of our crack divisions come back from Colombo. Some of these divisions are quite good - the 48th for example is at 110% TOE and has 93 Experience.

Pacific
Midget sub Ha-16 hits a couple mines and sinks at Suva. This leads me to believe they just put mines down since we have been there for a long time without hitting mines before. Hopefully they will leave Nadi unmined.

The 8th Division is fully loaded now, so we just need to wait for the 26th over at Noumea to get loaded. In the meantime, we spot a TF moving westwardly, located southeast of Car Div 2's location. We'll move about three hexes southwest and switch to bombs to see if we can bag some DD's or APD's or whatever is there.

CA Ashigara, in the Car Div 2 TF, is attacked and hit by SS Silversides. Thankfully the hit is a dud torpedo. Another good reason to shift SW a few hexes.

China
New planes are spotted over Changsha today where we are sweeping and bombing. The Hawk 75M. I'll have to take a look and see what this plane is about. Today we managed to bring down four of the Hawk 75Ms, 2 H81-A3s and lose one Oscar to ops loss.

At Ankang, the 22nd Division attacks there, finally bringing some infantry support to the four tank units there. We get 1:1 results, but we also disable about 10% of the enemy forces. So I think this will fall soon. Unfortunately it won't be tomorrow as supply is low so we will wait a day.

Sining inches closer with another 1:1 result (226:130). Here also, supply is low so we will need to wait a day.

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Five DD's are returned from refit at Yokohama.
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RE: April 19th, 1942 - Colombo Captured!

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Well, I have finally caught up to the game. Reports will be a bit slower now, but on the other hand, it gives me more time to get input and advice on game decisions.
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RE: April 19th, 1942 - Colombo Captured!

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Have you considered landing at Cox's Bazar (Chittagong has the static CD unit to be avoided) and driving east to capture Ledo?? This base is important to Allies in getting supplies into China. I'm in late April '42 playing RA vs Mr Kane and he is about to take this area plus he already took Calcutta. The two Aussie divisions are the main resistance in India as most of the Indian divisions start with only 20 experience levels and very poor morale. There are a lot of bases in clear terrain and you can use your air force effectively here.
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RE: April 19th, 1942 - Colombo Captured!

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I have considered it for sure. I seized Cox's Bazaar and Akyab about the same time I landed on Ceylon, so I have the 56th Division sitting up there now. I had worried I might end up with several divisions bogged down and trapped north of Burma. I ended up only taking Cox's Bazaar so the Allies would have to fight one more battle to get the airbase at Akyab into flying condition.

Don't the Allies receive some decent reinforcements in the summer of 42? It would seem those could easily be railed in to get me stuck there.
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RE: April 19th, 1942 - Colombo Captured!

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You have placed the Allied player into a difficult position. [:)] Your advances into SoPac is forcing him to make decisions on where to spend his precious PPs. Does he spend them to keep the SE corner of Pacific Allies or does he spend them on troops at Cape Town that he 'may' have sent there via "Strat Mode" for India??

You could shift elements of the soon to be formed 1st and 2nd Tank Divisions to India to use in the clear terrain. The Allies get the 2nd UK Division at Aden in the coming months, but like I posted previously, the lose of those two Aussie divisions is going to truly hurt him. Without CVs, he cannot do much at sea until late '43, IMO. Thus, I would start to make noise in India before he can shift anything over there from USA. It will take 2 months to get something over there. Plus, any pressure on Calcutta will make him nervous. [:D]

Edit - I would also start to prep a division or two for Viza that you 'may' buy out from Manchuria and/or China. Force him to garrison those two bases between Diamond Harbor and Madras.
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I'm glad you feel he is in a tough spot PP wise. There were a lot more units at Port Moresby than I expect and I think all of them were bought out from Australia. I haven't played the Allies, so I don't have a great 'feel' for how their reinforcements come in. I did see that for April - June it looks like only 2 divisions were available as reinforcements - and Indian division at Madras and a UK division at Aden. I hadn't looked to see what it looked like farther out than that.

Well, I'm certainly interested. I'm always worried about spending too much supply also, but there is some industry up there that might make such a drive supply neutral, and if get in and get out then maybe I've bought myself some extra time.

I currently have three offensives left -

Suva/Pago Pag, Northern Australia, Burma

I have 3 divisions currently busy with Suva/Pago Pago, and I think that is enough there.

I have 5 or 6 combat ready divisions at Colombo.
My thought was I'd need 2 or 3 for Burma, and three to get started on N. Australia. Once Suva was cleared, if my three Divisions ran into trouble at Darwin, I could take one or two from Suva and use them to finish things at Darwin.

Do you think I can do those goals with less? If so, does that lesser amount add up to enough to give me what I need to clear Cox's Bazaar to Ledo? How many divisions do you think are needed up there? As mentioned, the 56th is already in place, so If I can manage Australia with 2, Burma with 2 that leaves 2 plus the 56th for India. Is that enough?

Also, I have 4 more at Colombo that will become available in a few weeks once they have a chance to rest up. I could even put a couple of those on prep for India for counter intel since he knows those are already at Ceylon, and they would logical jumps over to the subcontinent.

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