Cute. :rolleyes:Originally posted by M4 Jess
Lets go Katwoman!!!:mad:
I will still
you....What terms?
Points? 4000? Summer ´42?
PBEM World Cup 2003
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Force composition
I think that some players think that force composition is a dirty word. What we have here are a few different mind sets.
First you have the historical WWII people that believe that you force compositions should be histroical for the time period above all else. This provides for a SPWAW game that in my opinion is unbalanced.
Second you have the players that feel that the point system is the vast equalizer and that anything can go as long as you pay your points. This also provides for a SPWAW game that in my opinion is unbalanced.
Third you have the people who play who want to win they will do anything to win. Push any extreme to either test something or to just win because winning ie everything. I have played games where my opponent was advancing and I was delaying and they purchased 300 units of German motorcycle units. I have also played a game against a Japan player that took almost 10000 points in infiltrators (the 25 man unit). Ugh. These games I do not find to be fun and just stop playing with my opponent after I lose.
Fourth you get a number of people that believe in a specific set of house rules that are designed to help eliminate specific abuses to the game. Specifically 10% artillary limit, limits on rockets, limits on infiltrators, air-drops, and mines. Does this make a historical situation? No. Does it make for a balanced battle between two people? It tries to.
Fifth you have the people that say play with C&C on and that fixes everything. Well trust me if you have ever played C&C and have been the reciepient of infiltrators or an air drop I can tell you it is pretty much impossible to turn your troops around.
The idea is not to force people to adhear to specific purchase requirements it is to give a set of guildlines that people can play each other and have fun and through good play or good tacktics and strategy win. I tend to get perverse pleasure by defeating an opponent that has a distict advantage due to some tank or equipment that is available to them at that time period. But I have a much better time playing a good opponent that feals he is on the same playing field and it is just his tactics and my tactics that win the game.
That being said I tend to buy a balanced force. Depending completly upon my opponent and the terrain I will purchase extra points in one area or another. Desert=more tanks. Forest=more infantry. Urban=more artillary and infantry support tanks. My reiforcements on the other hand tend to be a direct response to my opponent. So they tend to be a bit more one sided.
Well JL I hope this helps. Don't let people get you down. Play the game the way you like to and enjoy. You are well on your way to being one of the best, so stick around and have fun.
First you have the historical WWII people that believe that you force compositions should be histroical for the time period above all else. This provides for a SPWAW game that in my opinion is unbalanced.
Second you have the players that feel that the point system is the vast equalizer and that anything can go as long as you pay your points. This also provides for a SPWAW game that in my opinion is unbalanced.
Third you have the people who play who want to win they will do anything to win. Push any extreme to either test something or to just win because winning ie everything. I have played games where my opponent was advancing and I was delaying and they purchased 300 units of German motorcycle units. I have also played a game against a Japan player that took almost 10000 points in infiltrators (the 25 man unit). Ugh. These games I do not find to be fun and just stop playing with my opponent after I lose.
Fourth you get a number of people that believe in a specific set of house rules that are designed to help eliminate specific abuses to the game. Specifically 10% artillary limit, limits on rockets, limits on infiltrators, air-drops, and mines. Does this make a historical situation? No. Does it make for a balanced battle between two people? It tries to.
Fifth you have the people that say play with C&C on and that fixes everything. Well trust me if you have ever played C&C and have been the reciepient of infiltrators or an air drop I can tell you it is pretty much impossible to turn your troops around.
The idea is not to force people to adhear to specific purchase requirements it is to give a set of guildlines that people can play each other and have fun and through good play or good tacktics and strategy win. I tend to get perverse pleasure by defeating an opponent that has a distict advantage due to some tank or equipment that is available to them at that time period. But I have a much better time playing a good opponent that feals he is on the same playing field and it is just his tactics and my tactics that win the game.
That being said I tend to buy a balanced force. Depending completly upon my opponent and the terrain I will purchase extra points in one area or another. Desert=more tanks. Forest=more infantry. Urban=more artillary and infantry support tanks. My reiforcements on the other hand tend to be a direct response to my opponent. So they tend to be a bit more one sided.
Well JL I hope this helps. Don't let people get you down. Play the game the way you like to and enjoy. You are well on your way to being one of the best, so stick around and have fun.
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Opponent for round 2 needed
Hi
Anyone ready for round 2?
I will play the Japaneese this round.
Regards
Stonefire
Anyone ready for round 2?
I will play the Japaneese this round.
Regards
Stonefire
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I agree with most of Gary's and Jim's points.
But I have a bit more absolute view: When you start playing, there's a certain bunch of rules you both agree upon. As long as those rules and limitations are followed, everything goes.
Personally I will compose my force based on the situation, but still within reason (I won't buy 90% Stugs and 10% arty) and atleast a little regard for what was historically available. Should my opponent choose not to do so, I wouldn't mind, as he IS playing by the rules (besides, pure tank rushes have a tendency to be ambushed ). How I use the troops might not be historically accurate though, but I think that's one of the objects of the game.
It's my opinion that if someone wishes to play with limited or historic forces, then that should be agreed to BEFORE the game by both parties. I myself would not reject a proposal to play a battle with historic forces (as long as I thought it was somewhere close to even).
Just my 2c.
-Jani
But I have a bit more absolute view: When you start playing, there's a certain bunch of rules you both agree upon. As long as those rules and limitations are followed, everything goes.
Personally I will compose my force based on the situation, but still within reason (I won't buy 90% Stugs and 10% arty) and atleast a little regard for what was historically available. Should my opponent choose not to do so, I wouldn't mind, as he IS playing by the rules (besides, pure tank rushes have a tendency to be ambushed ). How I use the troops might not be historically accurate though, but I think that's one of the objects of the game.
It's my opinion that if someone wishes to play with limited or historic forces, then that should be agreed to BEFORE the game by both parties. I myself would not reject a proposal to play a battle with historic forces (as long as I thought it was somewhere close to even).
Just my 2c.
-Jani
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TheOverlord
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I aggree as well.
The whole point of WAW is to be able to say "if I was in charge, I would do it like this!...".
If you want to play a historical battle, then make it clear prior to the start of the battle and either aggree to play a scenario or set rules that would make it "real life".
What sucks is when players take advantage of the quirks or loop holes. That is "gaming" someone and does not necessarily mean one is a better player. I think this is what most have issue with.
Most folks seem to go for a balanced and reasonable force composition based on the situation anyways from what I have seen. At least the folks who like to play WAW as it was intended - as a simulation of combined arms combat in a WW2 setting.
As Dodger points out, an all armor force or all something else is usually tough to win with against a balanced force so I really dont have an issue with what my oppoents try to throw at me. There are ways of dealing with this sort of thing, and if you have a balanced force yourself you can usually keep your head above water until you can call in reinforcements to get what you need to effectivly counter an opponent who is gaming you.
I would be against setting any sort of general rules for force compositions. That takes away one of the great features of these battles! If you feel someone is gaming you, state it in your AAR so the next opponenet of these individuals will be aware of the track record and can set additional rules to prevent that sort of thing.
IMHO.....
The whole point of WAW is to be able to say "if I was in charge, I would do it like this!...".
If you want to play a historical battle, then make it clear prior to the start of the battle and either aggree to play a scenario or set rules that would make it "real life".
What sucks is when players take advantage of the quirks or loop holes. That is "gaming" someone and does not necessarily mean one is a better player. I think this is what most have issue with.
Most folks seem to go for a balanced and reasonable force composition based on the situation anyways from what I have seen. At least the folks who like to play WAW as it was intended - as a simulation of combined arms combat in a WW2 setting.
As Dodger points out, an all armor force or all something else is usually tough to win with against a balanced force so I really dont have an issue with what my oppoents try to throw at me. There are ways of dealing with this sort of thing, and if you have a balanced force yourself you can usually keep your head above water until you can call in reinforcements to get what you need to effectivly counter an opponent who is gaming you.
I would be against setting any sort of general rules for force compositions. That takes away one of the great features of these battles! If you feel someone is gaming you, state it in your AAR so the next opponenet of these individuals will be aware of the track record and can set additional rules to prevent that sort of thing.
IMHO.....
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I suspect Red was listening to "When the Tigers broke free" and is now having nightmares ... 
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If Red is MIA, I think we have 2 choices:
1. Wait for him to return before starting new rounds
2. Elect a regent organizer to handle things while Red's away.
If we don't do either, there's a risk the whole thing will fall apart.
How 'bout a show of hands for either suggestion (or the third one, which is just to keep going without someONE running things).
-Jani
1. Wait for him to return before starting new rounds
2. Elect a regent organizer to handle things while Red's away.
If we don't do either, there's a risk the whole thing will fall apart.
How 'bout a show of hands for either suggestion (or the third one, which is just to keep going without someONE running things).
-Jani
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I dunno - 3rd option as long as we keep track of who is playing who then may be ok - I understand the thoughts on the 1/2 playing the 1/2 and the 2/2 playing 0/2 tho - but then the 0/2 and 2/2 have nothing to gain from playing 
I guess if someone will take reds place we can do that - if we are waiting for him to return we could be here for sometime (unless someone knows when he will be back)
I guess if someone will take reds place we can do that - if we are waiting for him to return we could be here for sometime (unless someone knows when he will be back)
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TheOverlord
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If someone is going to pick up reds place or if we are to simply match up the 1/2 in a collective group manner than it may be helpful if we can get everyone to post their status here.
Maybe the 2/2 and 0/2 can have the choice of playing for fun vs each other or taking a break. All that winning / loosing is hard work
:rolleyes:
I am a 1/2 myself.
Is there anyone still working on their first round?
Maybe the 2/2 and 0/2 can have the choice of playing for fun vs each other or taking a break. All that winning / loosing is hard work
:rolleyes:
I am a 1/2 myself.
Is there anyone still working on their first round?
"Sometimes it is entirely appropriate to kill a fly with a sledge hammer. "
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I say let's wait.
I thought the proposed timeline was round 3 complete by the end of April. What's the rush??? Most are on round 2 with timeline looking to be completed by end of March so let's give Red the benefit of the doubt, and hold our water.
I thought the proposed timeline was round 3 complete by the end of April. What's the rush??? Most are on round 2 with timeline looking to be completed by end of March so let's give Red the benefit of the doubt, and hold our water.
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Round 1 Slow-poke!
Originally posted by TheOverlord
Is there anyone still working on their first round?
BORO and I are wraping up round 1 and will be ready for round 2 shortly. With BORO being victorious.
:(:) As for waiting for Red, I thought that he was matching up the players to help keep the rounds balanced. ie. Winners against winners, Losers against losers. That way some of us newer players don't get overwhelmed and might actually have a chance.
Anyway, as a round 1 loser is ther anybody ready to play Round 2 against me? I will be Canada this time.
UBIQUE!
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red is back
Ok, I apologize for the unintended delay on managing the games. It was a combination of work schedule and technology, I stopped receiving notifications of new posts so I thought things were quiet here and ended up reading through many pages of all kinds of stuff. So Brutto-Bob did me a favor and PMed me.I did manage to continue my R2 game with Mogami though
Combing through the posts for info, heres the current roster:
Roster
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AngryDeemon1:1/2
willy:0/1
Rokondo:2/2
red:0/1
Hades:0/1
3/2 ACR:1/2 (withdrawn)
Shiner:1/1
ThomasBELL123:0/1
Mogami:0/1
Brutto-Bob:2/2
Ironfist:0/1
Aussem:1/1
VikingNo2:0/1
Buzzard45:1/1
Jim Lindquist:0/1
Gary Tatro:1/1
dodger:2/2
CPT Shoe:0/1
sztartur:0/1
TheOverlord:1/2
Belisarius:0/1
sandman20:1/1
Stonefire:1/1
M4 Jess:0/1
rbrunsman:1/1
RobW:0/1
Scharfschütze:1/1
Squirmer:0/1
BlueLavender:-/-
mlomax:-/-
BORO:1/1
Birdgunner:0/1
VonBlk:-/-
xsalarcon:-/-
patriot101:-/-
Kanonenfutter:-/-
so it seems like some ppl r still going through R1. If you made your match up for R2, R3, please let me know so I can make a note of it. I could the matchups for group B for R2 but I don't know if anybody already made their choices. Here's a preliminary match up for R2 (Group B), let me know if there are any conflicts:
Round 2 Group B:
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CPT Shoe:0/1
vs
sztartur:0/1
sandman20:1/1
vs
Stonefire:1/1
Belisarius:0/1
vs
M4 Jess:0/1
rbrunsman:1/1
vs
BORO:1/1
RobW:0/1
vs
Squirmer:0/1
Scharfschütze:1/1
vs
Birdgunner:0/1
Note: the above match up is made only because I don's opponents for with equal status so if you feel it's unfair, I will re-match you with somobody else when they appear.
What's the game status for this matchups from R1?
VonBlk:-/-
vs
xsalarcon:-/-
patriot101:-/-
vs
Kanonenfutter:-/-
Combing through the posts for info, heres the current roster:
Roster
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AngryDeemon1:1/2
willy:0/1
Rokondo:2/2
red:0/1
Hades:0/1
3/2 ACR:1/2 (withdrawn)
Shiner:1/1
ThomasBELL123:0/1
Mogami:0/1
Brutto-Bob:2/2
Ironfist:0/1
Aussem:1/1
VikingNo2:0/1
Buzzard45:1/1
Jim Lindquist:0/1
Gary Tatro:1/1
dodger:2/2
CPT Shoe:0/1
sztartur:0/1
TheOverlord:1/2
Belisarius:0/1
sandman20:1/1
Stonefire:1/1
M4 Jess:0/1
rbrunsman:1/1
RobW:0/1
Scharfschütze:1/1
Squirmer:0/1
BlueLavender:-/-
mlomax:-/-
BORO:1/1
Birdgunner:0/1
VonBlk:-/-
xsalarcon:-/-
patriot101:-/-
Kanonenfutter:-/-
so it seems like some ppl r still going through R1. If you made your match up for R2, R3, please let me know so I can make a note of it. I could the matchups for group B for R2 but I don't know if anybody already made their choices. Here's a preliminary match up for R2 (Group B), let me know if there are any conflicts:
Round 2 Group B:
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CPT Shoe:0/1
vs
sztartur:0/1
sandman20:1/1
vs
Stonefire:1/1
Belisarius:0/1
vs
M4 Jess:0/1
rbrunsman:1/1
vs
BORO:1/1
RobW:0/1
vs
Squirmer:0/1
Scharfschütze:1/1
vs
Birdgunner:0/1
Note: the above match up is made only because I don's opponents for with equal status so if you feel it's unfair, I will re-match you with somobody else when they appear.
What's the game status for this matchups from R1?
VonBlk:-/-
vs
xsalarcon:-/-
patriot101:-/-
vs
Kanonenfutter:-/-
"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."
--MUHAMMAD ALI
--MUHAMMAD ALI
round 2 group A
Post the info about your status for Round 2 Group A so I can match you up for Round 3.
"It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."
--MUHAMMAD ALI
--MUHAMMAD ALI