An Aussie Beta Affair - Luskan V Raver!!!

[fabertong]

Raverdave,
It looks as though some of your troops in Malaya have been pushed into a mountain hex.
Is there any way out for them or are they b*ggered.......

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, It's better to let the allies move the supply and build the airfields and then capture the bases. Stage up material on Kwajalean. Meanwhile occupy Rabaul and Shortlands. Recon from Shortlands and stockpile Rabaul. Take Gili and the north coast of New Guinea and then Port Moresby (airfield there already built)
Now you should be about finished in SRA and Allies should have made Noumea worth taking.

(scribble scribble scribble scribble)

Better than ULTRA!!!

[sven6345789]

although Mogami's tactic is good, i just wonder in what shape KB comes out of it if the allies make a serious stand with all the CV's they got. they will probably loose 3-4 of them, but the japanese CV's probably don't look that good either. The allies get plenty of them, but for the japanese, the damaged CV's will come back at a time where the advantage in numbers and experience so helpful in the first operations has been greatly diminished.
lets say a carrier take 40 system damage and you manage to get it home. about how long does it take for it to come back?

[Nikademus]

Luck will be a large factor along with timing. I managed, ironically through a big "mistiming" (ala "midway") to stage a 4 vs 4 CV battle with KB in feb 42 against Pry and walked (well "limped") away having lost 1 CV and two damaged in return for 2 badly banged up KB carriers + moderate damage to 1 more. Actually i would have walked away with only damage myself save for the unfortunate occurance that next turn, some Nells came along and torpedoed my carrier!

end result was a draw, but any draw is a strategic victory for the Allies [;)]

[Ron Saueracker]

Don't ya just love all the variables! Love this game so far.

[Capt. Harlock]

Those screenshots raise an interesting possibility. Could Raver evacuate any troops from the PI? there appears to still be a channel of Allied-controlled ocean. For that matter, maybe some reinforcements could arrive. How is the air-to-air combat doing in that sector?

[Nikademus]

only if he spends the PP's for it....and then he has to run the gauntlet of LBA (assuming Banarama boy has blocker forces in place)

[Andy Mac]

OK if reinforcing phillipines is going to be risky how much would a Japanese PBEM player have to mess up to allow an Allied player to hold onto

1. Singapore

or

2. Rangoon

Beyond historic fall dates and if so how dislocating will it be to the Japanese Economy.

i.e. can you evacuate Aussie 9th to Rangoon will that allow Rangoon to hold until 7th Armoured turns up ?

and if Allied player can make Rangoon a tough pill to swallow is it practical as IJA to bypass it.

<Apologies if been asked before new to forum>

[Joel Billings]

ORIGINAL: sven6345789

although Mogami's tactic is good, i just wonder in what shape KB comes out of it if the allies make a serious stand with all the CV's they got. they will probably loose 3-4 of them, but the japanese CV's probably don't look that good either. The allies get plenty of them, but for the japanese, the damaged CV's will come back at a time where the advantage in numbers and experience so helpful in the first operations has been greatly diminished.
lets say a carrier take 40 system damage and you manage to get it home. about how long does it take for it to come back?

For a 100 durability ship it will take 40-80 days per 10% damage at a size 10 port (depending on shipyard availability, repair ships, HQ's etc.). For a 60 durability ship it would take 25-50 days per 10%. So the Shokaku at 50% damage would take about 10 months to fully fix, while the Soryu would take around 6 months.

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

OK if reinforcing phillipines is going to be risky how much would a Japanese PBEM player have to mess up to allow an Allied player to hold onto

1. Singapore

or

2. Rangoon

Beyond historic fall dates and if so how dislocating will it be to the Japanese Economy.

i.e. can you evacuate Aussie 9th to Rangoon will that allow Rangoon to hold until 7th Armoured turns up ?

and if Allied player can make Rangoon a tough pill to swallow is it practical as IJA to bypass it.

<Apologies if been asked before new to forum>

Attempting to evacuate Malayan by ship (which is the only way to do it unless the Japan player gets cute on turn 1 deployment) is risky but possible. However the more troopage you take from Singapore the faster it falls.

I've yet to really attempt to make a stand at Rangoon yet....the geography makes it a potentially lethal trap for any LCU's there and besides which the IJA is just too damn strong. I usually declare it an open city (well in melodramatic terms) and attempt to establish a defence line farther into central burma where i've had more success though there as well, eventually the IJA triumphs either through bulldogging or flanking maneuvers.

[Andy Mac]

Cheers I guess thats at least one Pac war habit ill need to break or someone will wipe out Bur Corps and take Delhi afore I can do anything about it .

I am not used to Rangoon as a bad location to try and hold.

I assume the old build an airfield in the Andaman Islands and heavily garrison it with LBA to punish any japanese carriers coming into Indian Ocean is a similar deathtrap for allied forces in WITP....

Another favoured tactic to be unlearned in a hurry [:D][:D][:D]

[Nikademus]

that strategy wont work either.....the island (if its the one i think your refferring too), is too close to the Burmese coast and would be plastered (and/or invaded) within a short period. Even trying to stage a seaplane base there can be risky.

[Pascal_slith]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Naw, Noumea is a piece of pie waiting for you. Nothing there but some mine fields.

Send in 6th Base (for moving Nells in quick!), 61st & 53rd Naval Guard units.

180,000 fuel sitting there and the Brass Ring! Kicking South Pacific HQ off the base into nowhere means that none of the units attached to South Pacific can get stuff because it is out of supply rotting on a little trail! No upgrades for all those air groups [:D]

It is one of my evil tactics. [X(]

WHOAA. Noumea has 180'000 fuel points sitting there? This was the situation already on Dec. 7th? This is all wrong if it is. There is much too much fuel there unless you moved it there since the beginning of the game. I have the actual historical figures of fuel available for in the South Pacific during this time (they come from Adm. Worrell Carter's book Beans, Bullets and Oil). What is one fuel supply point worth in tons of fuel? I could go and calculate this but does someone have the figure offhand?

[Pascal_slith]

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Naw, Noumea is a piece of pie waiting for you. Nothing there but some mine fields.

Send in 6th Base (for moving Nells in quick!), 61st & 53rd Naval Guard units.

180,000 fuel sitting there and the Brass Ring! Kicking South Pacific HQ off the base into nowhere means that none of the units attached to South Pacific can get stuff because it is out of supply rotting on a little trail! No upgrades for all those air groups [:D]

It is one of my evil tactics. [X(]

180'000 fuel points?! You must be kidding. This fuel was there already on Dec. 7th? Or was it brought there later? If this was there originally, there is a grave mistake in the allotment by the developers. [:-] There was never this much fuel available in the South Pacific at the beginning of the war. Figures are available in Adm. Worrell Carter's Beans, Bullets and Oil. I'll look them up.

A fuel supply point is worth how many barrels or tons (long or short?) of fuel?

[Raverdave]

Yup, they are pretty much stuffed.......Luskan's advance down the west coast was faster than I expected, and this unit is now cut off with no choices left open to them. Fatigue is up around 70%[:(]

[Raverdave]

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

Those screenshots raise an interesting possibility. Could Raver evacuate any troops from the PI? there appears to still be a channel of Allied-controlled ocean. For that matter, maybe some reinforcements could arrive. How is the air-to-air combat doing in that sector?

If I had the PP available then yes I could try to either evacuate or even reinforce, but you have to remeber that the IJN rule both the air and the waves. Any TF trying to sneak in would be mince meat very quickly. So far all the IJ players that I have come up against in this Scen have always kept a good Surface TF close and ready, and there always seems to be at least one CVE around ready to course mayhem.

The short of it is that the PI is not able to be reinforced and as much as Dug-out doug screams for more troops the number crunchers in Washington got it right in their understanding that the PI was lost and that it would have been a waste of men and ships to even try.

[Andy Mac]

What is the starting OOB in the PI for the USAAF and is it possible to evacuate any of the airgroups or do the PP's come to slowly to contemplate it ?

Thanks for the info

[Joel Billings]

ORIGINAL: Pascal

ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

Naw, Noumea is a piece of pie waiting for you. Nothing there but some mine fields.

Send in 6th Base (for moving Nells in quick!), 61st & 53rd Naval Guard units.

180,000 fuel sitting there and the Brass Ring! Kicking South Pacific HQ off the base into nowhere means that none of the units attached to South Pacific can get stuff because it is out of supply rotting on a little trail! No upgrades for all those air groups [:D]

It is one of my evil tactics. [X(]

180'000 fuel points?! You must be kidding. This fuel was there already on Dec. 7th? Or was it brought there later? If this was there originally, there is a grave mistake in the allotment by the developers. [:-] There was never this much fuel available in the South Pacific at the beginning of the war. Figures are available in Adm. Worrell Carter's Beans, Bullets and Oil. I'll look them up.

A fuel supply point is worth how many barrels or tons (long or short?) of fuel?

Yes, I think it's one ton. Please let us know what the right total would be. Thanks.

[Raverdave]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

OK if reinforcing phillipines is going to be risky how much would a Japanese PBEM player have to mess up to allow an Allied player to hold onto

1. Singapore

or

2. Rangoon

Beyond historic fall dates and if so how dislocating will it be to the Japanese Economy.

i.e. can you evacuate Aussie 9th to Rangoon will that allow Rangoon to hold until 7th Armoured turns up ?

and if Allied player can make Rangoon a tough pill to swallow is it practical as IJA to bypass it.

<Apologies if been asked before new to forum>

Singapore will ALWAYS fall (and from the IJN players perspective...it must). Even if the invasions were botched and less troops were used, it will still fall, only later rather than sooner.

Rangoon is an interesting one, in an early game against Luskan I emptied all of India of it's troops and rushed them to Rangoon, but we never got to play it out as a new build of the game meant that we had to restart. But considering that by the time the Jap player gets to Rangoon his fatigue level will be up it is a possiblity to hold out for sometime...............but you can see the flaw in this tactic......you leave India bare and wide open.


Not possible to slip the Aussies north to Rangoon either.....it is too far to march them and the IJN lands a lot of troops to the north.....right across your planned escape route Andy.[;)]

[Raverdave]

Yes Andy it is possible to pull air groups out.......I actually do that for the B-17 groups and even the P-40s if they have not been too badly mauled..............send them to Oz were they will be of more use. Yes you have enough PPs to do that at the start of the game. I am at work so I don't have the OOB in front of me atm.