Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Obvert, please step back and take a deep breath. It isn't dissent that is being challenged or shut down.
It's snarky innuendo and backhanded insults that are being rightfully attacked.
I expect the next moderator visit here will result in a lock now that the efforts at antagonism on the part of one bad apple have borne fruit.
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Obvert, please step back and take a deep breath. It isn't dissent that is being challenged or shut down.
It's snarky innuendo and backhanded insults that are being rightfully attacked.
I expect the next moderator visit here will result in a lock now that the efforts at antagonism on the part of one bad apple have borne fruit.
; Julia Child
ORIGINAL: geofflambert
I am aware that there's a lot of squishiness out there, especially here. The numbers of how many have died in MO and which county the cases apply to keeps changing, as an example. The JH numbers contain a lot of "unassigned" confirmed cases for States where they haven't determined what jurisdiction within the state to apply them to, and when stuff like that is happening are mistakes made such as counting the same case twice or two cases as one, does that ever happen? Yep.
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Of course there aren't enough tests to simultaneously test 1/3rd of billion people. There aren't enough medical people to COLLECT 1/3rd of billion tests or enough laboratory techs to RUN 1/3rd of billion tests or enough medical people to give results and advice to 1/3rd of a billion people.
Suppose you test 1/3rd of a billion people on Saturday and you have a million lab couriers to take the tests to the lab and a million techs running 330 labs each and everyone shows up to work on time and works on nothing else so it's all done by 2 PM and now you need 10 million nurses and doctors to call all 330 million and everyone HAS a phone and ANSWERS their phone (even the illegal aliens of which there are 20 million) and when they answer you need translators for Hmong and Que-Che and Cantonese and Swahili etc.
Now you have 35 million positives and you have to counsel them and tell them to stay home which they have already been advised to do...WHEW! Now, on Sunday, you only have 300 million to retest because some of them will have converted during the night....and there you go again.
The only practical way to measure incidence in a prospective fashion in a large population with many asymptomatic cases is with a sizable careful random sample.
In the meantime we discover Mr. Undie-Messing is a preening peacock of a statist ***-hole who has posters of Chairman Mao in his room in Mom's basement.
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
While emergency services and health care professionals and myriad other support folks fight this long battle, I was fortunate to spend the day outdoors in the northwest Georgia mountains.
I hiked six miles of the Pinhoti Trail, topping out on Horn Mountain and dropping to Snake Creek Gap. The birds and flowers were showing their stuff. Then I bicycled back to the truck via lovely mountain roads.
There were a zillion people using the trails and roads - bicyclists, motorcyclists, motorists, hikers, families, couples, individuals. More than I've ever seen in that remote area. All keeping their distance from others, as best I could tell.
On the long climb up the mountain, an army medic (reserve or National Guard probably) was in the midst of a training hike, wearing fatigues and with full pack. He was fatigued and said that, when he got home, he would sit naked in his apartment and drink beer for the balance of the weekend. I thanked him for his service and told him that was too much information. He was a nice young man.
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
I hope they are going to have the PPE for you and train you in whatever new protocols they are using before they send you out!ORIGINAL: Encircled
Signed up to be an NHS volunteer last week.
Got my confirmation through so will be "on call" for transport related issues on Monday.
I used to work for the NHS and absolutely it was the most boring job I have ever had! Sure as hell its not going to be at the moment.
ORIGINAL: Encircled
This is genuinely terrifying.
https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/sta ... 9785492480
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Encircled, if this report is as accurate as the one posted yesterday, it's probably inaccurate.
And if there are 14 states that have done this, which would be a surprise, many or most religious groups are observing the countermeasures voluntarily.
Most places that I know of suspended meetings at least three weeks ago.
There have been a few notable exceptions (lamentably) but they are comparatively few and far between, judging from the reports I've read or heard.
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Encircled, if this report is as accurate as the one posted yesterday, it's probably inaccurate.
And if there are 14 states that have done this, which would be a surprise, many or most religious groups are observing the countermeasures voluntarily.
Most places that I know of suspended meetings at least three weeks ago.
There have been a few notable exceptions (lamentably) but they are comparatively few and far between, judging from the reports I've read or heard.
ORIGINAL: Encircled
This is genuinely terrifying.
https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/sta ... 9785492480
ORIGINAL: durnedwolf
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Encircled, if this report is as accurate as the one posted yesterday, it's probably inaccurate.
And if there are 14 states that have done this, which would be a surprise, many or most religious groups are observing the countermeasures voluntarily.
Most places that I know of suspended meetings at least three weeks ago.
There have been a few notable exceptions (lamentably) but they are comparatively few and far between, judging from the reports I've read or heard.
ORIGINAL: Encircled
This is genuinely terrifying.
https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/sta ... 9785492480
Canoerebel,
"It's probably inaccurate" is a really bogus thing to say to someone when you are comparing a news-link from a fellow formite only to reports that you've read\heard... What Encircled shared was from CNN...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/stay-at-home-order-religious-exemptions-states-coronavirus/index.html
ORIGINAL: durnedwolf
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Encircled, if this report is as accurate as the one posted yesterday, it's probably inaccurate.
And if there are 14 states that have done this, which would be a surprise, many or most religious groups are observing the countermeasures voluntarily.
Most places that I know of suspended meetings at least three weeks ago.
There have been a few notable exceptions (lamentably) but they are comparatively few and far between, judging from the reports I've read or heard.
ORIGINAL: Encircled
This is genuinely terrifying.
https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/sta ... 9785492480
Canoerebel,
"It's probably inaccurate" is a really bogus thing to say to someone when you are comparing a news-link from a fellow formite only to reports that you've read\heard... What Encircled shared was from CNN...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/stay-at-home-order-religious-exemptions-states-coronavirus/index.html
ORIGINAL: Encircled
ORIGINAL: durnedwolf
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Encircled, if this report is as accurate as the one posted yesterday, it's probably inaccurate.
And if there are 14 states that have done this, which would be a surprise, many or most religious groups are observing the countermeasures voluntarily.
Most places that I know of suspended meetings at least three weeks ago.
There have been a few notable exceptions (lamentably) but they are comparatively few and far between, judging from the reports I've read or heard.
Canoerebel,
"It's probably inaccurate" is a really bogus thing to say to someone when you are comparing a news-link from a fellow formite only to reports that you've read\heard... What Encircled shared was from CNN...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/stay-at-home-order-religious-exemptions-states-coronavirus/index.html
Yup. If you watch Fox News (not saying you do btw!) then you would have a totally different view to the crisis.
You might think that going to church is still ok for example.
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
This has been a great thread, doing exactly what I had hoped. We've gotten a lot of great information from a lot of people everywhere. We've had people with particular expertise weigh in with their own thoughts. There are differences of opinion but mostly folks get along and self-regulate. I've taken thoughts posted in here by John Dillworth, Obvert, RFalvo, Chickenboy, Cap Mandrake and shared them with my family, both in writing and in conversation. This is an excellent community. In person, I believe everyone here would be most gracious to everybody else. Without exception.
I've known many of the people in here for years. Over that time, most of them have built up tremendous deposits of good will. If they've said the wrong thing in here, from time, to time, those can be overlooked (mostly, usually) because they have such established records. That's happened a few times.
There is one person in here who overdrew his account of good will seriously. He's made the atmosphere poisonous. He's provoked other members to various expressions of outrage or leaving. I've seen people who have never had a discouraging word become uncharacteristically miffed at him, but it's not them. It's him. He's the poison.
And he has his enablers. While most people in here say what they think, there is one who tells others what to think. He cloaks his words in "I want to build bridges" while doing his work and tearing them down. When he gets things absolutely, demonstratively wrong, he slips away in the dark. Always, 100% of the time, refuses to acknowledge a mistake.
There is one other that internalizes things and sees boogeymen where there aren't any. A few days ago, he posted that it was an age thing for me; that I was picking on him and others because of generational matters, which isn't true. Until that moment, I had no idea how old he was. From the context of his comment, I now suppose he's in his 30s or 40s but for all I knew, until then, he was my age or 20 or 80. Another fellow I know pretty well is, I think, in his late 40s, but's that's my age (or so I think). The poisoner is comparatively younger based on a comment he made a year ago in another thread, but I'm not sure. It doesn't matter.
Or is there some component to generational things that explains the behavior of these three? Is that why the poisoner and his enablers insist on keeping everything public? Is that why they refused every request to keep this private or take matters private? Is this a Facebook way of doing things? (Probably not - there are undoubtedly a bunch of folks in here, younger and older, who use Facebook but don't act this way.)
I have the poisoner on Ignore and it's worked pretty well - not perfectly, but well. I'm adding his two enablers. They've seriously drawn on their stock of goodwill. Not overdrawn though. I'll be glad to discuss things privately with them at length, in depth. Always have been.
Every person in here is a good man in person, I believe. Even the one who poisoned this thread.
ORIGINAL: warspite1
You couldn't make it up part 3,507
So, as I mentioned yesterday, there is concern that people are still not taking this thing seriously and are flouting the guidance from the Government about social distancing.
And what do we hear? The bloody Chief Medical Officer of Scotland - who has been hammering home that guidance - feels she is SO damn important that advice to the plebs doesn't need to be heeded by her.
And what happens? At a time when trying to get people to realise the seriousness of this is falling on deaf ears for too many people? Her boss decides its okay, she can simply carry on getting her juicy fat pay check. Oh but the police have been around to her gaff to make sure she understands the error of her ways [8|].
So next time a minister or a medical officer implores people to do the right thing, what is their example? One law for those in power - who can do what they want, and one for the plebs.
Seriously you can't make this rubbish up.
warspite1ORIGINAL: mind_messing
ORIGINAL: warspite1
You couldn't make it up part 3,507
So, as I mentioned yesterday, there is concern that people are still not taking this thing seriously and are flouting the guidance from the Government about social distancing.
And what do we hear? The bloody Chief Medical Officer of Scotland - who has been hammering home that guidance - feels she is SO damn important that advice to the plebs doesn't need to be heeded by her.
And what happens? At a time when trying to get people to realise the seriousness of this is falling on deaf ears for too many people? Her boss decides its okay, she can simply carry on getting her juicy fat pay check. Oh but the police have been around to her gaff to make sure she understands the error of her ways [8|].
So next time a minister or a medical officer implores people to do the right thing, what is their example? One law for those in power - who can do what they want, and one for the plebs.
Seriously you can't make this rubbish up.
Yeah, it's something of a double blow after Prince Charles too. Definitely reinforced the "one rule for us, another for the peons" vibe.
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Durned Wolf, I was referring to a similar post made yesterday about Georgia which was shown to be false by the actual provisions of the Georgia ordinance. The nationwide press has been getting it wrong. I'm not sure how many states allow religious services but I don't think many places actually are even if permitted to.
Nationwide decrees or statewide decrees may not be necessary when local jurisdictions act promptly, as they mostly have in the US. They have their fingers on the pulse of what's going. As noted in here, Georgia shut down it's schools three weeks ago, ahead of England. With a few exceptions, I think our federal system has worked pretty well.
ORIGINAL: durnedwolf
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Encircled, if this report is as accurate as the one posted yesterday, it's probably inaccurate.
And if there are 14 states that have done this, which would be a surprise, many or most religious groups are observing the countermeasures voluntarily.
Most places that I know of suspended meetings at least three weeks ago.
There have been a few notable exceptions (lamentably) but they are comparatively few and far between, judging from the reports I've read or heard.
Canoerebel,
"It's probably inaccurate" is a really bogus thing to say to someone when you are comparing a news-link from a fellow formite only to reports that you've read\heard... What Encircled shared was from CNN...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/stay-at-home-order-religious-exemptions-states-coronavirus/index.html
; Julia Child
