OT: Corona virus

[Canoerebel]

Due to press reports some forumites (especially from other nations) see that churches are open in a minority of states and picture widespread attendance. That is not true. There are definitely a few malodorous exceptions but closures - mostly locally mandadted or totally voluntary, are the norm.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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Why would you say outdoor services are fine?

What medical evidence do you have to back that up?

Because the risk of getting it is much lower outside than in a closed environment.

Not if you are still stood in close proximity though.

Durnedwolf has already nailed the problem with them btw.

[durnedwolf]

Here's what Mono County, California is putting out for our public:

https://coronavirus.monocounty.ca.gov/pages/briefing

I assume other counties are doing the same. I'd be grateful if some of ya'll post a few links of what is being shared at your county level or equivalent (for places outside of the US).

[Cap Mandrake]

CNN absolutely did selectively misquote the Governor of Georgia. Bad "journalism"?

Not at CNN. [:)]. It's political. He is being punished for "stealing" the election from Stacey Abrams.

Allow regional decision making in a country with the geographic variation of the US makes a lot of sense. It allows a rolling recession. Don't forget, containment has been out the window since the first residents of Wuhan got on airplanes...probably in December.

[Cap Mandrake]

Personally, I have no difficulty passing on church services.[:)]

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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I read Fox news and Daily Wire and Briebart. Guess that makes me a brainwashed right winger from your perspective.

Look, if those are your sources, that is completely up to you.

But the question is, do you have a national lock down yet?

And are 14 states still refusing to ban gatherings like the one highlighted in the news report?

You, CR and CM have all told me that CNN can't be trusted (either blatantly or in other ways) but none of you have told me whether that is true or not.

No, we don't have a national lock down and are not likely to.
The thing about our democratic republic is that it functions at the local level.
Attempts by the feds at mandates will be resisted by the states.

In spite of the War Between the States, states still have rights.

Are all of the EU 'states' acting as one?

I never implied CNN can't be trusted, just that it presents with a leftist slant as Fox, DW and Breibart present with a right wing slant. Understanding the filter helps a lot in deciphering the hidden truth.

Okay, without a nationwide lock down, it does seem that this will hit you harder and longer than anywhere else. That seems very strange to want to accept.

Surely all the states can order a lockdown though?

Can't the president order one under an executive order?

(Not going to do the one about the EU, because you are starting from a position that would require a lot of explanation!)

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This is the UK advice on gatherings in parks (published today)

https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/sta ... 46/photo/1

This is the more general info on when you can or can't do stuff.

https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus

[Canoerebel]

Do y'all remember when the outbreak happened in Wuhan and the US responded by chartering a jumbo jet to got there and retrieve US officials and other US nationals?

I don't know all the details of that mission but I think there were questions about whether the crew was properly trained and protected, whether testing of the refuges was done, etc.

That was done early in the process before people knew what was going on and what we were dealing with. There might've been mistakes made in good faith, but the authorities were erring on the side of getting people out. That mission may have resulted in a spread, but if so I understand what was done and why.

When the US imposed a travel ban on China early on (January 29), Joe Biden and many other Democrat politicians and the press said the President was racist and xenophobic. (By the way, now that they are all calling for that level of response, they haven't apologized but instead criticize the president for not acting earlier.) Being called a racist in our culture is about the worst thing you can endure. It freezes people. When the national press is hammering you...well, you don't want to get in a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel.

Judging from what John Dillworth said yesterday, it looks ike NYC may be turning a corner. The link posted by Erik Rutens shows that the peak in New York State is expected in five days (!). We're going to win this battle.

And Godspeed to all other countries.

[warspite1]

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.....(though in your Presidents case, the states rights thing does complicate it a lot more)

warspite1

Why is the US States situation more complicated than the German Lander?

For the avoidance of doubt that is a genuine question.

[Footslogger]

I found this from a Dr. in Brooklyn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GYTc53r2o

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

When the US imposed a travel ban on China early on (January 29), Joe Biden and many other Democrat politicians and the press said the President was racist and xenophobic. (By the way, now that they are all calling for that level of response, they haven't apologized but instead criticize the president for not acting earlier.)

warspite1

And one wonders why politicians of all denominations get such a bad press. Same as it ever was and will be - different country, same dumb, narrow-minded focus.

It's why I no longer have any faith in this self-indulgent, self-centred, uncaring (except about No.1) mob of charlatans.

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warspite1

Why is the US States situation more complicated than the German Lander?

For the avoidance of doubt that is a genuine question.

Constitution at a guess.

But I really don't know, but Germany hasn't had any issues at all with the German governments decisions.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Are all of the EU 'states' acting as one?

warspite1

No one appears to be acting as one - and that is a big part of the problem. Not within Republics, within the EU - hell, not even within a 'United' Kingdom. A new member of the Labour party is elected and all he wants to do is slag off the mistakes of the past; while this thing is busting world economies, hey let's all waste time blaming China instead of focusing all energies on the problem.... the blame and recrimination can follow AFTER this thing gets sorted. But this needs to be sorted quickly because at the moment the cure is just as frightening as the disease.

[Cap Mandrake]

Plasma transfusion. A very old idea.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2763983

[warspite1]

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warspite1

Why is the US States situation more complicated than the German Lander?

For the avoidance of doubt that is a genuine question.

Constitution at a guess.

But I really don't know, but Germany hasn't had any issues at all with the German governments decisions.

warspite1

But my understanding (I may be wrong) is that the Lander all go off and do their own thing too - Federal Government input is more limited. And Germany appear to be doing okay (certainly if measured by the death count).

[Cap Mandrake]

Busted. [:)]

https://twitter.com/CathCalderwood1/sta ... own-advice

[Canoerebel]

Here's the situation with respect to leading countries.

The USA currently has 28 deaths per million.

We are BENEATH the curve on the model posted by Erik Rutens a few days back that shows a total of 93k mortalities over five months.

That will be about the same as the 2018-19 five-month flu season (80k, per Chickenboy's posts some days back).

That's more than 10x less than early estimates. Others (I think JohnD) have noted that's because of the countermeasures in place. IE, in our federal system, the steps taken have had a dramatic impact.

[ITAKLinus]

Today's data from Italy:

- +525 deaths
- +2.972 infected
- -61 people with symptoms
- -17 people in ICUs

[RangerJoe]

Study identifies characteristics of patients with fatal COVID-19
·April 4, 2020

Summary: Based on data from COVID-19 patients from Wuhan, China, that died as a result of the infection, researchers have identified many symptom commonalities the patients shared.
Source: American Thoracic Society

“The greatest number of deaths in our cohort were in males over 50 with non-communicable chronic diseases,” stated the authors. “We hope that this study conveys the seriousness of COVID-19 and emphasizes the risk groups of males over 50 with chronic comorbid conditions including hypertension (high blood pressure), coronary heart disease and diabetes.”

The researchers examined the medical records of 85 patients who had died, and recorded information on their medical histories, exposures to coronavirus, additional chronic diseases they had (comorbidities), symptoms, laboratory findings, CT scan results and clinical management. Statistical analyses were then done.

The median age of these patients was 65.8, and 72.9 percent were men. Their most common symptoms were fever, shortness of breath (dyspnea) and fatigue.

Hypertension, diabetes and coronary heart disease were the most common comorbidities. A little over 80 0 percent of patients had very low counts of eosinophils (cells that are reduced in severe respiratory infections) on admission. Complications included respiratory failure, shock, acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and cardiac arrhythmia, among others. Most patients received antibiotics, antivirals and glucocorticoids (types of steroids). Some were given intravenous immunoglobulin or interferon alpha-2b.

The researchers noted: “The effectiveness of medications such as antivirals or immunosuppressive agents against COVID-19 is not completely known. Perhaps our most significant observation is that while respiratory symptoms may not develop until a week after presentation, once they do there can be a rapid decline, as indicated by the short duration between time of admission and death (6.35 days on average) in our study.”

https://neurosciencenews.com/fatal-coro ... ics-16077/

It seems to me that part of the problem with the treatment was the use of steroids which is now known to be contraindicated for CoViD-19.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Busted. [:)]

https://twitter.com/CathCalderwood1/sta ... own-advice

warspite1

Please see post 3355