What is your favorite WWII plane?

[Rune Iversen]

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

Out, where? All we know about your heriocs fighting Commies and Jihadists comes down to pissy "peacekeeping" mission in the Balkan shitland, fending off those pesky local looters with harsh words [:D]

Not quite mr. Masturbator. Not quite.... [8D]

They traumatised you so much you still wake upo at night yelling "nema dizela" [X(] [:-]

[:'(]

[morvwilson]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

Attn Allied Fanbois!

At one point he asked whether they had changed their methods since they first went to Vietnam and was told that they did not have to do so since everything worked much better than expected. Thereupon he noted that the US Military never made any mistakes; [;)]however, that comment he kept to himself.

From Moshe Dayans memories about his visit in the Pentagon.

There are a few points you may want to consider.

First, most likely Mosche Dayans was talking to beaurocrats. In all of my years of dealing with beaurocrats from city, county, state of federal levels there is one thing they have in common. They never make mistakes! It is always some-one else's fault!

Second, Vietnam was not lost by the military. That war was lost in the White House and Press.

Third, I once read from a WWII vets book that no country ever wins a war. One side makes one too many mistakes and loses. This tends to fit in well with my own experiences with my first point.

[Ursa MAior]

ORIGINAL: Rune Iversen

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

I have been "out". It is freezing cold and rains. I am back now. So what? Whatever that means.

Figures.....

I see. You were somewhere further away than the candy shop on the corner. You suffered a culture shock, still not recovered your mind (which was even before not so much to speak of) and you are still the hero of the neighborhood. Wake up man. This aint no the 'hood.

Nema diesela! Nema diesela! Nema diesela! Nema diesela![;)]

[Rune Iversen]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

I see. You were somewhere further away than the candy shop on the corner. You suffered a culture shock, still not recovered your mind (which was even before not so much to speak of) and you are still the hero of the neighborhood. Wake up man. This aint no the 'hood.

Nema diesela! Nema diesela! Nema diesela! Nema diesela![;)]

[:D]

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: Rune Iversen
Not quite mr. Masturbator. Not quite....

This is sig material I was looking for mate, thank you [:D]

You used the exact same term dozens of my "fans" on local boards use. You used English though, so => into sig it goes.

[Rune Iversen]

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

This is sig material I was looking for mate, thank you [:D]

You used the exact same term dozens of my "fans" on local boards use. You used English though, so => into sig it goes.

I am honored [:D]

[Ursa MAior]

ORIGINAL: morvwilson

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

Attn Allied Fanbois!

At one point he asked whether they had changed their methods since they first went to Vietnam and was told that they did not have to do so since everything worked much better than expected. Thereupon he noted that the US Military never made any mistakes; [;)]however, that comment he kept to himself.

From Moshe Dayans memories about his visit in the Pentagon.

There are a few points you may want to consider.

First, most likely Mosche Dayans was talking to beaurocrats. In all of my years of dealing with beaurocrats from city, county, state of federal levels there is one thing they have in common. They never make mistakes! It is always some-one else's fault!

Second, Vietnam was not lost by the military. That war was lost in the White House and Press.

Third, I once read from a WWII vets book that no country ever wins a war. One side makes one too many mistakes and loses. This tends to fit in well with my own experiences with my first point.

Well I dont know too much about the Pentagon, but I had the impression that mostly soldiers work there. [;)]
As he said Thereupon he noted that the US Military never made any mistakes;. [;)] Last time you tried to argue you called the members of the 8th AF terrorists. So be careful what you reply. [;)] The side which achieves his objectives wins. The other who does not, loses.

What is the name of Saigon now? Thank you.

It is posible to win all battles and still lose a war. See Iraq aka Vietnam II.

I dont question the bravery, the skill and the sacrifice of the US service members who fought in Nam. I even know some. But Saigon is still Ho Chi Minh city now. They did what what their country asked of them, but you cant destroy a spirit with bullets. Check the already quoted Moshe Dayan report about Nam here.

http://www.d-n-i.net/creveld/why_iraq_w ... am_did.htm

[Monkeys Brain]

ORIGINAL: Rune Iversen

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

This is sig material I was looking for mate, thank you [:D]

You used the exact same term dozens of my "fans" on local boards use. You used English though, so => into sig it goes.

I am honored [:D]

LOL a happy end! [:D]

[Rune Iversen]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

The side which achieves his objectives wins.

Yup. The current objective is to produce as many sports shoes as possible within a 16 hour workday.....

but you cant destroy a spirit with bullets

.

BANG....

[Ursa MAior]

ORIGINAL: Rune Iversen

I am honored [:D]

Well you being an EX soldier I expected more of you.


You see guys that's why we just dont win those wars. Thats all that is taught in the infantry. 2-3 word answers. [:D][:D][:D]

[sven]

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko



Who is "we"? We svens of this world? We Steakhouse monkeys? We who sit behind our PC screens in warm rooms posting on some web board? [:D]

I don't think Communists or Jihadists are too afraid of any of those groups...... [>:]

I was an American Soldier, that is a line through time and space. "We" may well have done stupid things but "we" do things, my nation "does" things.....

Maybe that's why "our" flag flies on the moon and "we" never managed to get probed by a bear to the degree others did. Tell me how much fun it was to play Timmy Treadwell to Uncle Joe's Bear 141? I think I know but "we" have thus far managed to engage in some 200+ years without throwing the temper tantrums some other "we" have.....

"I" am an American, my brotherhood is not based on demanding unified race, creed, or heritage it just requires an adherence to "our" laws and a willingness to sacrifice for the nation in a jam.

Wish I could say the same applied to the places "we" have to plant "our" flag to keep our "betters" from killing each other over 1300 year old arguments.


What questioning "my" choice of pronoun has to do with the erroneous and easily disabused notion that the T-34 85II had a lower GP than the Sherman Easy8 is something "you" will have to explain to "me" and to a degree "us". "I" can play this either way "you" want. "I" can burn "you" on kit issues, or "I" can mock the fact that "we" have managed to settle a continent not cleanly but without 1300 year old issues of the state of being that led to "slav" being the loaded word it is based on slavery what it is. "I" have friends across the spectrum and don't find the collective "you" annoying just "you" the trolls.

best regards,
sven

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: Monkeys Brain
LOL a happy end! [:D]

Yea and the moral of the story is: keep it short. There's plenly of sig material in your posts as well, I am sure, they are just too long and too dense for me to pick thru

Oh I crack me up again..... [:D]

[Rune Iversen]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

Well you being an EX soldier I expected more of you.


You see guys that's why we just dont win those wars. Thats all that is taught in the infantry. 2-3 word answers. [:D][:D][:D]

I was not an infantryman back then [:'(]

As for the "we", I don´t recall seeing your ass or that of your countrys anywhere the shooting has been recently.

[Ursa MAior]

ORIGINAL: Rune Iversen

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

The side which achieves his objectives wins.

Yup. The current objective is to produce as many sports shoes as possible within a 16 hour workday.....

but you cant destroy a spirit with bullets

.

BANG....

Well I asked a simple question cause you answered something outright silly (Who ended uop behind the iron curtain?) and thats all I get.

[Ursa MAior]

ORIGINAL: Rune Iversen

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

Well you being an EX soldier I expected more of you.


You see guys that's why we just dont win those wars. Thats all that is taught in the infantry. 2-3 word answers. [:D][:D][:D]

I was not an infantryman back then [:'(]

As for the "we", I don´t recall seeing your ass or that of your countrys anywhere the shooting has been recently.

a. I do not equal my country. How about you?
b. Altough I dont support Iraq (Afghanistan is another story) our govt has rushed to send troops to Iraq in 2003 and to Agfhanistan in 2001 as well. We lost one soldier in Iraq, and an area is overtaken by hungrain froces from the dutch in agfhanistan IN CASE YOU DID NOT KNOW.

lol such an uneducated a*hole.

[Rune Iversen]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior


Well I asked a simple question cause you answered something outright silly (Who ended uop behind the iron curtain?) and thats all I get.

Yup [:'(]

[Ursa MAior]

ORIGINAL: Rune Iversen
I was not an infantryman back then [:'(]

I forgot you were with the water cleaning troops. Thats not even infantry. They are auxiliaries. [&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o]

[Rune Iversen]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior



a. I do not equal my country. How about you?

Since I have represented the colors on more than one occasion and in different circumstances, that question likely answers itself.

b. Altough I dont support Iraq (Afghanistan is another story) our govt has rushed to send troops to Iraq in 2003 and to Agfhanistan in 2001 as well. We lost one soldier in Iraq, and an area is overtaken by hungrain froces from the dutch in agfhanistan IN CASE YOU DID NOT KNOW.

lol such an uneducated a*hole.

Heh. 300 loggies [:D].

Okay, I will give them their due. At least they were there.

[Rune Iversen]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

I forgot you were with the water cleaning troops. Thats not even infantry. They are auxiliaries. [&o][&o][&o][&o][&o][&o]

Not quite.... [;)]

[Oleg Mastruko]

ORIGINAL: sven
Maybe that's why "our" flag flies on the moon and "we" never managed to get probed by a bear to the degree others did. Tell me how much fun it was to play Timmy Treadwell to Uncle Joe's Bear 141? I think I know but "we" have thus far managed to engage in some 200+ years without throwing the temper tantrums some other "we" have.....

"I" can burn "you" on kit issues, or "I" can mock the fact that "we" have managed to settle a continent not cleanly but without 1300 year old issues of the state of being that led to "slav" being the loaded word it is based on slavery what it is. "I" have friends across the spectrum and don't find the collective "you" annoying just "you" the trolls.

What a load of commie bull..... you personally settled a continent? [:D]

Your basic problem is that you take an individual (you, me, anyone....) and project some group charactertistic onto an individual or vice versa. So you think that *merely* being a US solidier or indeed citizen allows you to boast such nonsense as in "WE put a flag on the moon" "we crushed communism" we did this we did that yadda yadda. Unless your real name is Neil Armstrong, you, my friend, did as much as I did to put a "flag on the moon" and that is - jack sh1t.

Your line of thinking whereby simply belonging to some large and heterogeneous group of people makes one eligible for anything and everything anyone belonging to that group ever did, while simoultaneously bashing some other individual for anything you might imagine "they" did, is basically communistic - as in: anti-individual - in nature. That's what Soviets liked to boast: "we put a man in the orbit", "we launched Sputnik", while actually waiting in line to buy bread. Yea right [:D]

Unless you did something *yourself* - as in fought and directly risked your life - against Jihadists and Commies keep your mouth shut. Otherwise, please list what exact hardships and risks you have taken fighting against evils of the world so that we can judge your individual merits? Not that I care what you did, really, but put your keyboard where your mouth is for the sake of some basic honesty.

Besides....

You made many factual mistakes in your post + at least one remark that can be listed as purely racist, but I won't even go there. Talking facts with Steakhouse cockroaches would be exercise in futility.