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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Mr. Benoit!  Haven't gotten a note from you in a while.  Hope things are well with you and you're not working too hard.  Shoot me a note and I'll give my suggestions.  As for ship-building I think you can follow that with my Economy Reports.  If you have questions from the beginning of the campaign (since I started this AAR six month sin...) just ask.

John,

Here is an old (and still accurate) picture of Japanese production:



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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Transports
Tina 10 (51)
Sally 0 (25)
Topsy 20 (25)
Mavis-L 5 (21)
Tabby 10 (75)

Am about to shut down Topsy or Tabby. Does anyone have a preference as to which should go?

Tough to decide without some additional info. They're for Army and Navy respectively, so it depends on your need and current deployment of them. Just looking at the numbers, the obvious choice is to shut down the Tabby. When you total all the Army vs. Navy transports in the pool you get 50 and 147 respectively. That encourages shutting down the Tabbys even more. I recommend taking the time to see how many of each type you have deployed and how many you are short and then go from there.

In stock you are correct, however John and I are on Big B, and the TABBY is an ARMY Transport. Not sure why, but it is. Navy Transport units can use the Tina/Mavis as the best options.

In stock, the Topsy is probably the best Army option. Not sure about others.
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Not sure what to shut down without seeing the whole picture.  What are your ground reinforcements for the next month?  If they're minimal, try shutting down about 250 armament factories for a month.  That'll net you some excess HI:
 
6 HI X 250 Arm X 30 days = 45k HI saved.
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Transports
Tina 10 (51)
Sally 0 (25)
Topsy 20 (25)
Mavis-L 5 (21)
Tabby 10 (75)

Am about to shut down Topsy or Tabby. Does anyone have a preference as to which should go?

Tough to decide without some additional info. They're for Army and Navy respectively, so it depends on your need and current deployment of them. Just looking at the numbers, the obvious choice is to shut down the Tabby. When you total all the Army vs. Navy transports in the pool you get 50 and 147 respectively. That encourages shutting down the Tabbys even more. I recommend taking the time to see how many of each type you have deployed and how many you are short and then go from there.

In stock you are correct, however John and I are on Big B, and the TABBY is an ARMY Transport. Not sure why, but it is. Navy Transport units can use the Tina/Mavis as the best options.

In stock, the Topsy is probably the best Army option. Not sure about others.

Hmm, very interesting.... I wonder why?
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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In stock you are correct, however John and I are on Big B, and the TABBY is an ARMY Transport. Not sure why, but it is.

That being the case, I'd stop production on the Topsy altogether and build only the Tabby. That's if their stats are the same as stock, of course.
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Without really knowing much, I saw that your HI reserves seemed very low. You start out with 13,130 HI with Big B's mod (that's the one I'm using) and you have only expanded it by 2000. [&:]
 
Could you halt some of your Armament and expand HI by another 200 to 250??  That would give you another 5000 to 7500 HI for the month, I think.
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Good comments gentlemen!  I will do some more industrial expansion.  There are several places in Manchuria and China that I could double without too much trouble.  Additionally, I do not have too many rienforcements coming in for about 60 days so I could easily turn off some of my munitions plants.  BOTH of those options isn't too bad and shouldn't cost too much.  Am waiting on a turn from Dan and will institute the changes immediately.
 
Will write and detail what I did after next turn. 
 
Any other good thoughts???
 
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Are you sure all of your HI factories are getting sufficient oil and resources?  If not, they aren't producing.
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Are you sure all of your HI factories are getting sufficient oil and resources? If not, they aren't producing.

That was my thought exactly. Something is wrong. I am playing the exact same mod, exact same time (I am at 6/20/43), and I have the following:

214,543 in HI
170,643 Armament (it's turned off now!)
All CV's built (next in the pool is Katsuragi)
At least 3000 engines in the pool

Granted, I was very fortunate in my Oil center damage, and I repaired my resources first to generate supply to then repair the Oil.

Looking at your A/C production, I am producing more airframes as well.

I don't think I am that good. I have been very careful to keep all HI well stocked, but I'm not a genius. There has to be something wrong, either you are not keeping those centers supplied, or are REALLY hurting for production. Are you shipping resources to Japan?

Whichever reader recommended re-opening my Sally line was a genius!

...I will take credit for that one though! That was me.
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Good comments gentlemen! I will do some more industrial expansion. There are several places in Manchuria and China that I could double without too much trouble.

I don't think not enough HI is your problem. I could be wrong, but I think you aren't getting enough Oil/Resources to existing HI. IF I am right, doing this won't solve any problems, it will just burn supply. If you are fully-producing in HI, then where is it going? Merchant ships? That's all I can think of, as I have turned off most Merchant production. It can't be going into Naval builds, Armaments, Aircraft, at least from where I am.
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Sir John,
Using Mike Solli's attachment explaining Japanese production I come up with these numbers.

Hi - 15,092 x 30 days = 452,760/month

Naval - 1366 x 3 x 30 days = 122,940/mo
Merchant - 981 x 3 x 30 days = 88,290/mo
Repair - 1508 (didn't see any use of HI here)
Armament - 572 x 6 x 30 days = 102,960/mo
Vehicles - 171 x 6 x 30 = 30,780/mo
Engines - 2098/mo x 30 days = 37,764/mo
Assembly - 1189/mo x 30 days = 21,582/mo
Assembly (-rd) 916 x 18 = 16,488/mo

This adds up to 393,094 use of HI per month.
452,760 - 393,094 = 59,666 surplus HI per month or 1988/day (yours is 1876/day).

Is there another source of HI usage I'm missing??
If not, then it seems you need to either halt some things and/or expand HI by some degree.

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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Michael--You just put me on the floor in convulsions!  I know what you are going to say...NO...it WAS NOT one of my spells...
 
The Home Islands HAVE to be fine because my supply and fuel numbers are going up right now.  I have always used those as a barometer of how things are going.  Am I wrong to look at that?
 
I just scrolled around my July 1st saved turn and saw that there isn't any oil/fuel in Bangkok or Vietnam.  Could that be part of the problem?  There is some HI down there...
 
Q-Ball---I forgot it was your brilliance who helped solve my bomber logjam!
 
 
Formosa is good and has a good amount of fuel/supplies.
 
Manchuria has fuel and decent supply in it.
 
Is there something I am missing?  Does anyone want an old turn with a password to take a closer look in their spare time???
 
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Already fired it back to you Michael.
 
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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Got it. [:D]
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Japan Indochina---July 1, 1943

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This is my situation within this highly active theatre:



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Economic Issues

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Sir John,

I looked only at the Home Islands for now.
I saw the large TF with 109,344 worth of Oil which is badly needed. [X(]
According to the Manual (which we all take with a grain of salt), you need 2x the Oil than HI for HI to work each turn. Is this correct?? If so, then most of the HI in Japan is shut down until you get some Oil. [X(][:(][X(]

Nagaski - Oil is 527 with HI at 600
Fukuka - Oil is 1513 with HI at 1020
Hiroshima - Oil is 593 with HI at 720
Takamatsu - Oil is 896 with HI at 600
Okayama - Oil is 552 with HI at 360
Kyoto - Oil is 61 with HI at 300
Nagoya - Oil is 1126 with HI at 1140
Tsu - Oil is 34 with HI at 60
Kanazawa - Oil is 154 with HI at 120
Hamamatsu - Oil is 100 with HI at 600
Gumma - Oil is 197 with HI at 120
Tokyo - Oil is 700 with HI at 1380
Sendai - Oil is 96 with HI at 120
Aomori - Oil is 71 with HI at 120

The northern part of Japan is working due to Oil being produced at Akita (Oil is 1113 with HI at 120) and Niigata (Oil is 2468 with HI at 450). and these feed bases in Hokkaido which are OK.

Thus, I would send some of the Oil to Nagaski to feed Kyushu Island. Some to Tokyo and Hiroshima. Right now I can see 2 to 4 turns without full HI production.

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RE: Economic Issues

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Korea and Manchukuo:
 
Keijo - Oil is 699 with HI at 450
Heijo - Oil is 424 with HI at 240
Konan - Oil is 308 with HI at 180
 
Now, you have "huge" stockpiles of Resources here.
Changkufeng - 12,396 Resources
Anshan - 18,755 Resources
Mukden - 22,464 Resources
Harbin - 17,205 Resources
 
I think some of your AKs need to save you fuel and come here vs SRA/DEI for Resources. [;)]
If you're consider expanding HI, some of you bases in Korea have the Resources there and small HI that could be easily expanded.
 
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RE: Economic Issues

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China

Send TKs to Hong Kong...now!! It has 51,313 in Oil [X(][X(]
But make sure they are under heavy escort both at sea and in the air. [;)]

Peking - Oil is 278 with HI at 240
Chengting - Oil is 54 with HI at 280
Tsingtao - Resources at 24,962 [X(]
Nanchang - Oil is 87 with HI at 180
Soochow - Oil is 7 (yes, this is correct) with HI at 89
Shanghai - Oil is 48 with HI at 240 and Resources at 33,572
Wenchow - Resources at 30,115
Hong Kong - Oil is 51,313 with HI at 151

Need to use you short legged AKs to start pulling Resources to the Home Islands.
The Oil at HK will not be moved due to his control of rail lines to the other parts of China by AI.
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RE: Economic Issues

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DAMN!  Have I ever said that you are a big STUD Mr. Michael??!!  Holy Cow!  How was it that you got all that info in so short of a time?

I have always sent my oil/resources to Osaka because I have been TOLD that it is dispersed from that port throughout the Home Islands.  Am I wrong in this?

Getting oil out of Hong Kong will be tough due to his B-25s.  I can float in a large number of Tony to protect them but it will be one heck of a fight...

I can move the resources from China without issue.

I'll also expand HI in Korea as you suggest.

Other thoughts?

I am NOT prowd at all.  Anyone?  Anyone??  Bueller?  Ferris Bueller??
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RE: July 1, 1943 VP/Industrial Report

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In stock you are correct, however John and I are on Big B, and the TABBY is an ARMY Transport. Not sure why, but it is.

That being the case, I'd stop production on the Topsy altogether and build only the Tabby. That's if their stats are the same as stock, of course.
EDIT: figured out why the Tabby is showing up as IJ Army.

In stock scenario 15 the Tabby is IJ Navy
In stock scenario 16 the Tabby is IJ Army.

Weird, but it depends on which scenario you are playing.

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