Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Moderator: MOD_Command
RE: Predator C Avenger
Looks like database record for SKR Admiral Sergey Gorshkov [Pr.2235.0] missing sensor group 34K1 Monolit (Band Stand). This is anti-ship missiles FCR which includes passive and active elements with OTH Targeting capability.
Pr.2235.0 has no Plank Shave 3Ts-25 Garpun-Bal radar.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-611.html
Pr.2235.0 has no Plank Shave 3Ts-25 Garpun-Bal radar.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-611.html
RE: Predator C Avenger
Non-military aircraft like airliners could use some additions.
The maiden flight of Comac C919 conducted successfully:
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/c919
https://youtu.be/_PwYnTp74GM
Also the Boeing 737-8 and 9 MAX, and AirBus A.320/321neo are needed:
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/press ... st-flight/
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max-9
The maiden flight of Comac C919 conducted successfully:
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/c919
https://youtu.be/_PwYnTp74GM
Also the Boeing 737-8 and 9 MAX, and AirBus A.320/321neo are needed:
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/press ... st-flight/
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max-9
RE: Predator C Avenger
New unit request.

Could you simulate the Zephyr-S and Zephyr-T HAPS (High Altitude Pseudo Satellite) [1] unmanned aircraft please?
These are existing, large (25m-33m wingspan), solar and battery powered, very long endurance, low speed (30kn), comparatively low-cost (£4.3m), high altitude (up to 70,000') platforms being trialled to provide persistent ISR and communication relay orbits by the MOD.
I appreciate that these are not glamorous platforms, however there's a lot of potential for operating and defending highly persistent ISR and comms relays, especially with the new datalink features in the simulation engine.
The UK MOD has now bought three Zephyr-S (formerly known as Zephyr 8) [4] for trials.
Long endurance trials were held with the first pair in 2016, managing a world record 14 days. "Sustained indefinitely" trials are being held this year with the third aircraft, also pushing each aircraft's individual endurance to 30 days.
The Zephyr-T is being developed following an MOD request for the platform to be able to carry a Radar. The Zephyr-T has been test-flown and is expected to enter evaluation trials in 2018 [2].

Zephyr-S
ISR capability consists primarily of NIIRS 6 [3] rated EOIR sensor capable from 65,000'-70,000' with local area comms relays.
Availability 2018:



Zephyr-T
The Zephyr-T (T for "twin tail") is larger, designed to loft NIIRS 8 rated EOIR and SAR radar providing GMTI/iSAR, LIDAR, ESM and ELINT together with a more complete comms relay suite than the smaller model. This is expected to be the model that the MOD pushes into service.
Availability 2020:


Additional sources:
[1] https://airbusdefenceandspace.com/our-p ... av/zephyr/
[2] https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ht-424873/
[3] https://fas.org/irp/imint/niirs.htm
[4] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/1 ... lar_drone/

Could you simulate the Zephyr-S and Zephyr-T HAPS (High Altitude Pseudo Satellite) [1] unmanned aircraft please?
These are existing, large (25m-33m wingspan), solar and battery powered, very long endurance, low speed (30kn), comparatively low-cost (£4.3m), high altitude (up to 70,000') platforms being trialled to provide persistent ISR and communication relay orbits by the MOD.
I appreciate that these are not glamorous platforms, however there's a lot of potential for operating and defending highly persistent ISR and comms relays, especially with the new datalink features in the simulation engine.
The UK MOD has now bought three Zephyr-S (formerly known as Zephyr 8) [4] for trials.
Long endurance trials were held with the first pair in 2016, managing a world record 14 days. "Sustained indefinitely" trials are being held this year with the third aircraft, also pushing each aircraft's individual endurance to 30 days.
The Zephyr-T is being developed following an MOD request for the platform to be able to carry a Radar. The Zephyr-T has been test-flown and is expected to enter evaluation trials in 2018 [2].

Zephyr-S
ISR capability consists primarily of NIIRS 6 [3] rated EOIR sensor capable from 65,000'-70,000' with local area comms relays.
Availability 2018:



Zephyr-T
The Zephyr-T (T for "twin tail") is larger, designed to loft NIIRS 8 rated EOIR and SAR radar providing GMTI/iSAR, LIDAR, ESM and ELINT together with a more complete comms relay suite than the smaller model. This is expected to be the model that the MOD pushes into service.
Availability 2020:


Additional sources:
[1] https://airbusdefenceandspace.com/our-p ... av/zephyr/
[2] https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ht-424873/
[3] https://fas.org/irp/imint/niirs.htm
[4] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/1 ... lar_drone/
RE: Predator C Avenger
(Those images are huge, sincere apologies! Any way I can edit the image tags to set to a smaller width?)
RE: Predator C Avenger
PGD code has no image size adjustment option, but it's forgivable if you are just for one or two pictures with a size between HD and 4K.ORIGINAL: Kynth
(Those images are huge, sincere apologies! Any way I can edit the image tags to set to a smaller width?)
Otherwise, try manually editing them, or use some other upload websites that supports multiple size of copies.
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Doctorwarthog
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RE: Predator C Avenger
ORIGINAL: Dysta
Non-military aircraft like airliners could use some additions.
The maiden flight of Comac C919 conducted successfully:
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/c919
https://youtu.be/_PwYnTp74GM
As I also would like to see the Comac C919 in the database I add some stats courtesy of the ever-loved and reliable Wikipedia:
Seats 168 (1-class) / 158 (2-class)
Length 38.9 m / 127.6 ft
Wingspan 35.8 m / 117.5 ft
Height 11.95 m / 39.2 ft
MTOW 72,500 kg / 159,835 lb
ER : 77,300 kg / 170,417 lb
Maximum Payload 20,400 kg / 45,000 lb
Maximum Fuel 19,560 kg / 43,122 lb
Empty weight 42,100 kg / 92,815 lb
Turbofan (2x) CFM LEAP-1C
Thrust 31,000 lbf (137.9 kN)[54]
Cruise Mach 0.785 (450 kn; 834 km/h)
Range 4,075 km / 2,200 nm
ER : 5,555 km / 3,000 nm
Approach Speed 135 kn (250 km/h)
Takeoff 2,000 m (6,600 ft)
ER : 2,200 m (7,200 ft)
Landing 1,600 m (5,200 ft)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919
RE: Predator C Avenger
OV-10G+ Combat Dragon II
I can't find much information of the sensors and loadout of this aircraft, but the OV-10 Bronco may see a comeback as a light-attack aircraft for the US military. It appears that the aircraft can carry Hydra 70mm rockets (14x), APKWS (14x), AGM-65 (2x), MK82 (2x), MK81 (4x), GBU-12 (2x), GBU-38 (2x), and GBU-54 (2x).
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... abilities/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/those-old-ov ... 00085.html
http://www.boeing.com/history/products/ ... ronco.page
I can't find much information of the sensors and loadout of this aircraft, but the OV-10 Bronco may see a comeback as a light-attack aircraft for the US military. It appears that the aircraft can carry Hydra 70mm rockets (14x), APKWS (14x), AGM-65 (2x), MK82 (2x), MK81 (4x), GBU-12 (2x), GBU-38 (2x), and GBU-54 (2x).
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... abilities/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/those-old-ov ... 00085.html
http://www.boeing.com/history/products/ ... ronco.page
RE: Predator C Avenger
DB Request list updated to this point. Thank you!
Mike
Mike
Mi-24 Hind
Looks like Mi-24 entries of the database are older than me. [:D]

Mi-24V with 2 B-8V20 rocket launchers with 20 rockets each one, two UB-32A-73 rocket launchers with 32 rockets each one and 4 Shturm-V ATGM. On the ground FAB-250, FAB-100 and an unindentified weapong (big and white).
Mi-24V (Mi-35) and Mi-24P (Mi-35P) have some missing weapons:
Generic LLTV -> Raduga-Sh LLTV
Generic FLIR -> Raduga-Sh FLIR
Generic Laser Designator -> Raduga-Sh Laser Designator
This is the list of weapons that can be loaded by Mi-24V/Mi-24P:
ATGM: 8 missiles 9M114 Shturm-V (AT-6 'Spiral'). Typical 4 missiles in outer hardpoints.
Rockets:
S5 of 57 mm in UB-32A-73 rocket launchers with 32 rockets each one. 2 or 4
S-8 of 80mm in B-8V20 rocket launchers with 20 rockets each one. 2 or 4
S-13 of 122 mm. in B-13L rocket launchers with 5 rockets each one. 2 or 4
S-24A/B of 240 mm. Can load 4 maximum (one per hardpoint except outer harpoints).
Gunpods:
UPK-23-250 of 23 mm. 2 in inner hardpoints
GUV-8700 universal gunpod in 9-A-669 configuration (YakB gatling machine gun an two 7,62 mm machine guns) or 9-A-800 (grenade launcher).
Bombs:
4 FAB-50/-100/-250
2 FAB-500. (in inner hardpoints)
2 Napalm bombs ZB-500. (in inner hardpoints)
2 Submunition container KMGU-2 (anti tank or antipersonnel bomblets). (in inner hardpoints)
PTB-450 fuel tank (capable of transport 4), commonly 2 are used.
Website of Ukroboronservice is good source I guess:
https://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/aviakosmi ... /13-mi-24v
Mi-24V with a pair of UPK-23-250 gun pods and two UB-32A-73 Rocket launckers with 32 S-5 rockets each.
http://russianplanes.net/id155530
http://russianplanes.net/id7299
Mi-24P with 2 shturm-V ATGM, 2 bombs FAB-50 or FAB-100 and 2 B-8V20 rocket launchers with 20 S-8 rockets each.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... .jpg?v=v40
Mi-24V with ATGM launcher in the middle hardpoint.
http://russianplanes.net/id125045
Mi-24V with 2 UB-32A-73 Rocket launckers with 32 S-5 rockets each.
http://russianplanes.net/id49029
Mi-24 with 4 UB-32A-73 Rocket launckers with 32 S-5 rockets each.
https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ ... 209230.jpg
A typical configuration. Only with two B-8V20 rocket launchers with 20 S-8 rockets each.
http://russianplanes.net/id95229
Mi-24 with four B-8V20 rocket launchers with 20 S-8 rockets each.
http://russianplanes.net/id71406
Ferry configuration. With 2 PTB-450 fuel tanks (450 liters).
http://russianplanes.net/id64002
Czech Mi-24V with UPK-23-250 and GUV-8700 (in 9-A-669 config) on display.
http://www.blueskyrotor.com/blog/wp-con ... 00x218.jpg
Mi-24V with weapons on display. 8 Shturm-V ATGM and a pair of B-8V20 rocket launchers mounted. GUV-8700 gunpod, KMGU container and UB-32A-73 Rocket launchers resting in ground.

More interesting photos: http://www.16va.be/galeries_aa/mi-24/imgcol/index.html

Mi-24V with 2 B-8V20 rocket launchers with 20 rockets each one, two UB-32A-73 rocket launchers with 32 rockets each one and 4 Shturm-V ATGM. On the ground FAB-250, FAB-100 and an unindentified weapong (big and white).
Mi-24V (Mi-35) and Mi-24P (Mi-35P) have some missing weapons:
Generic LLTV -> Raduga-Sh LLTV
Generic FLIR -> Raduga-Sh FLIR
Generic Laser Designator -> Raduga-Sh Laser Designator
This is the list of weapons that can be loaded by Mi-24V/Mi-24P:
ATGM: 8 missiles 9M114 Shturm-V (AT-6 'Spiral'). Typical 4 missiles in outer hardpoints.
Rockets:
S5 of 57 mm in UB-32A-73 rocket launchers with 32 rockets each one. 2 or 4
S-8 of 80mm in B-8V20 rocket launchers with 20 rockets each one. 2 or 4
S-13 of 122 mm. in B-13L rocket launchers with 5 rockets each one. 2 or 4
S-24A/B of 240 mm. Can load 4 maximum (one per hardpoint except outer harpoints).
Gunpods:
UPK-23-250 of 23 mm. 2 in inner hardpoints
GUV-8700 universal gunpod in 9-A-669 configuration (YakB gatling machine gun an two 7,62 mm machine guns) or 9-A-800 (grenade launcher).
Bombs:
4 FAB-50/-100/-250
2 FAB-500. (in inner hardpoints)
2 Napalm bombs ZB-500. (in inner hardpoints)
2 Submunition container KMGU-2 (anti tank or antipersonnel bomblets). (in inner hardpoints)
PTB-450 fuel tank (capable of transport 4), commonly 2 are used.
Website of Ukroboronservice is good source I guess:
https://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/aviakosmi ... /13-mi-24v
Mi-24V with a pair of UPK-23-250 gun pods and two UB-32A-73 Rocket launckers with 32 S-5 rockets each.
http://russianplanes.net/id155530
http://russianplanes.net/id7299
Mi-24P with 2 shturm-V ATGM, 2 bombs FAB-50 or FAB-100 and 2 B-8V20 rocket launchers with 20 S-8 rockets each.
http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/air ... .jpg?v=v40
Mi-24V with ATGM launcher in the middle hardpoint.
http://russianplanes.net/id125045
Mi-24V with 2 UB-32A-73 Rocket launckers with 32 S-5 rockets each.
http://russianplanes.net/id49029
Mi-24 with 4 UB-32A-73 Rocket launckers with 32 S-5 rockets each.
https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ ... 209230.jpg
A typical configuration. Only with two B-8V20 rocket launchers with 20 S-8 rockets each.
http://russianplanes.net/id95229
Mi-24 with four B-8V20 rocket launchers with 20 S-8 rockets each.
http://russianplanes.net/id71406
Ferry configuration. With 2 PTB-450 fuel tanks (450 liters).
http://russianplanes.net/id64002
Czech Mi-24V with UPK-23-250 and GUV-8700 (in 9-A-669 config) on display.
http://www.blueskyrotor.com/blog/wp-con ... 00x218.jpg
Mi-24V with weapons on display. 8 Shturm-V ATGM and a pair of B-8V20 rocket launchers mounted. GUV-8700 gunpod, KMGU container and UB-32A-73 Rocket launchers resting in ground.

More interesting photos: http://www.16va.be/galeries_aa/mi-24/imgcol/index.html

Kids think about Iran and Amateurs think about Russia, but professionals think about China
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Luckysmoker
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RE: Su-35S MAWS
I am new to this game, but i want to point out a possible mistake in a database.
Real-life Su-35S do have a MAWS, (it can be seen widely implemented in regular squadrons, not only test or advanced training like the one in Lipetsk) so i guess this is how it shold be in CMANO.
But, as I understand, as a new user I am not allowed to post links to pics yet. Anyway, detailes about this system can be found if you google for picteres using this russian phrase: "оптико электронные системы су-35".
Update:
I took a screenshot from the official buklet issued by the knaapo - manufacturer of the Su-35S.
Real-life Su-35S do have a MAWS, (it can be seen widely implemented in regular squadrons, not only test or advanced training like the one in Lipetsk) so i guess this is how it shold be in CMANO.
But, as I understand, as a new user I am not allowed to post links to pics yet. Anyway, detailes about this system can be found if you google for picteres using this russian phrase: "оптико электронные системы су-35".
Update:
I took a screenshot from the official buklet issued by the knaapo - manufacturer of the Su-35S.
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Doctorwarthog
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RE: Su-35S MAWS
Because they are such legends, and because we soon can do proper parachute drops (I think): 2nd battalion Royal Gurkha Rifles.
Inf Plt (Royal Gurkha Rifles) - United Kingdom (Army)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Gurkha_Rifles
Stats as British Parachutes.
Inf Plt (Royal Gurkha Rifles) - United Kingdom (Army)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Gurkha_Rifles
Stats as British Parachutes.
RE: Su-35S MAWS
Some more tank requests:
M48A5T1/2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M48_Patton#Turkish
And the Japanese Type 61, 90 and 10 tanks.
Also perhaps the Japanese Yamayuri class:
http://www.vspg.net/jcg/cl201-yamayuri-class.html
Weight:37t/
●Measurements: 18.0m×4.3m×2.3m (Length, With, Depth)
●Engine: 900PS Diesel
●Speed :about 20kt
●Range: 180 Nautical Miles
●Crew:6
Added all requests to our list. Japanese Type 90 and 10 are already it the DB. Thanks!
M48A5T1/2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M48_Patton#Turkish
And the Japanese Type 61, 90 and 10 tanks.
Also perhaps the Japanese Yamayuri class:
http://www.vspg.net/jcg/cl201-yamayuri-class.html
Weight:37t/
●Measurements: 18.0m×4.3m×2.3m (Length, With, Depth)
●Engine: 900PS Diesel
●Speed :about 20kt
●Range: 180 Nautical Miles
●Crew:6
Added all requests to our list. Japanese Type 90 and 10 are already it the DB. Thanks!
The artist known as Owl
RE: Su-35S MAWS
I think there might be an issue with the T80s in the database(s): Their first weapon is the 12.7mm machine gun, so it seems to prioritize it and the tanks try to drive into mg range to engage targets if not given specific orders to use their main guns.
The artist known as Owl
RE: Su-35S MAWS
Updated our db request list to this point. Thank You!
Mike
Mike
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Doctorwarthog
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RE: Su-35S MAWS
ORIGINAL: Doctorwarthog
Because they are such legends, and because we soon can do proper parachute drops (I think): 2nd battalion Royal Gurkha Rifles.
Inf Plt (Royal Gurkha Rifles) - United Kingdom (Army)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Gurkha_Rifles
Stats as British Parachutes.
Since CoW apparently treats infantry units different when transporting them I just want to clarify that the Gurkhas are not paratroopers. they are air assault infantry. In terms of CoW cargo they are "troops".
RE: Su-35S MAWS
ORIGINAL: Doctorwarthog
ORIGINAL: Doctorwarthog
Because they are such legends, and because we soon can do proper parachute drops (I think): 2nd battalion Royal Gurkha Rifles.
Inf Plt (Royal Gurkha Rifles) - United Kingdom (Army)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Gurkha_Rifles
Stats as British Parachutes.
Since CoW apparently treats infantry units different when transporting them I just want to clarify that the Gurkhas are not paratroopers. they are air assault infantry. In terms of CoW cargo they are "troops".
Yeah it loads the mounts and compiles them at landing into a new unit. Baloogan is awesome for doing it this way because you can break up units. This is absolutely fine in terms of infantry as they're all made of the same mounts anyways. You can rename the file to whatever you like when it recompiles at landings (Gurkas->Magnificient Bastards etc).
Mike
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Doctorwarthog
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RE: Su-35S MAWS
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
ORIGINAL: Doctorwarthog
ORIGINAL: Doctorwarthog
Because they are such legends, and because we soon can do proper parachute drops (I think): 2nd battalion Royal Gurkha Rifles.
Inf Plt (Royal Gurkha Rifles) - United Kingdom (Army)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Gurkha_Rifles
Stats as British Parachutes.
Since CoW apparently treats infantry units different when transporting them I just want to clarify that the Gurkhas are not paratroopers. they are air assault infantry. In terms of CoW cargo they are "troops".
Yeah it loads the mounts and compiles them at landing into a new unit. Baloogan is awesome for doing it this way because you can break up units. This is absolutely fine in terms of infantry as they're all made of the same mounts anyways. You can rename the file to whatever you like when it recompiles at landings (Gurkas->Magnificient Bastards etc).
Mike
English is my second language so I might misunderstand you here, but what I ment to say is that the 2nd battalion Gurkas doesn't use parachutes, they are transported all the way to the ground.
RE: Su-35S MAWS
Target acquisition range and arc for P-800 (SS-N-26) are out of character declared by manufacturer:
https://www.granit-electron.ru/en/produ ... hont_head/
Manufacturer defines detection range more than 50 km and search angle ± 40°
https://www.granit-electron.ru/en/produ ... hont_head/
Manufacturer defines detection range more than 50 km and search angle ± 40°
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Doctorwarthog
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RE: Su-35S MAWS
The Polish Lubin-class LST, #2438, has no troop or cargo capacity in the database. Wikipedia says "They can carry up to 9 T-72 tanks or 17 transport vehicles such as the Star 266 and 135 equipped troops".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lublin-cl ... nding_ship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lublin-cl ... nding_ship
RE: Su-35S MAWS
Database entries for Kh-35 (SS-N-25), Kh-59MK (AS-18 Kazoo B), 3M14E (SS-N-30), 3M54E,T Rocket Boosted Penetrator (SS-N-27) have uncertain characteristics of seekers. All of them has Active Radar Seeker with maximal detection range 5 nm and enough narrow angle of search.
According site of manufacturer real characteristics are:
1) target seeker ARGS-14E for 3M14E (SS-N-30)
http://www.radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_7_2
maximal range - up to 20 km
angle of search and homing - ±45°
2) target seeker ARGS-54E for 3M54E,T (SS-N-27)
http://www.radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_7_4
maximal range - up to 65 km
angle of search and homing - ±45°
3) target seeker ARGS-35E for Kh-35 (SS-N-25)
http://www.radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_7_3
maximal range - up to 20 km
angle of search and homing - ±45°
4) target seeker ARGS-54E for Kh-59MK (AS-18 Kazoo B)
http://www.radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_7_5
maximal range - up to 25 km
angle of search and homing - ±45°
Hope, this will be useful
According site of manufacturer real characteristics are:
1) target seeker ARGS-14E for 3M14E (SS-N-30)
http://www.radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_7_2
maximal range - up to 20 km
angle of search and homing - ±45°
2) target seeker ARGS-54E for 3M54E,T (SS-N-27)
http://www.radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_7_4
maximal range - up to 65 km
angle of search and homing - ±45°
3) target seeker ARGS-35E for Kh-35 (SS-N-25)
http://www.radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_7_3
maximal range - up to 20 km
angle of search and homing - ±45°
4) target seeker ARGS-54E for Kh-59MK (AS-18 Kazoo B)
http://www.radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_7_5
maximal range - up to 25 km
angle of search and homing - ±45°
Hope, this will be useful


