Admirals Edition Naval Thread II

[tanksone]

Hi, question for the dev's. I don't believe the naval units that are withdrawn in WitP changed any when they can back. Will there be a die roll to see if there experiance goes up when they come back?

[Yamato hugger]

ORIGINAL: tanksone

Hi, question for the dev's. I don't believe the naval units that are withdrawn in WitP changed any when they can back. Will there be a die roll to see if there experiance goes up when they come back?

I dont know for sure on all of them of course but some come back with new pilots and "new unit" experience. Why you cry? Because the units themselves were reformed.

[bradfordkay]

Ummm.... YH, he said Naval Units, as in ships... they can be withdrawn for operations in the Med or Atlantic but don't gain any experience in doing so... 

[Yamato hugger]

Sorry I read that as naval air units. As for ships, I doubt they would come back with more experience either but I cant say for sure.

[Bliztk]

Just reading a report about Shokaku class and come across of their ammo storage facility.

Aircraft ordnance: forty-five torpedoes, ninety 800-kilo bombs, three hundred and six
250-kilo bombs, five hundred and forty 60-kilo bombs plus a fuel stowage of 496 tons
avgas.

That`s only two full strikes of B5N2 with torpedoes, 4 strikes of D3A1 with 800kg bombs, far less than we see in WITP

Are the ordnance handled different in AE or we have the same "air sorties"

[Don Bowen]

ORIGINAL: Bliztk

Just reading a report about Shokaku class and come across of their ammo storage facility.

Aircraft ordnance: forty-five torpedoes, ninety 800-kilo bombs, three hundred and six
250-kilo bombs, five hundred and forty 60-kilo bombs plus a fuel stowage of 496 tons
avgas.

That`s only two full strikes of B5N2 with torpedoes, 4 strikes of D3A1 with 800kg bombs, far less than we see in WITP

Are the ordnance handled different in AE or we have the same "air sorties"

You just read'n that? We went through this months ago.

[Bliztk]

Not enough time to read the 68 pages of the two Naval threads [;)]

If this has been discussed already, then there is no problem

[jwilkerson]

Yeah we should be used to answering things more than once. As to carrier torpedo capacity, yes that is modeled separately. So most carriers now only have enough torpedoes for 2 or less strikes. But you have a toggle "bombs or torpedoes" so if you think you will be bombing transports, then you can order up bombs and save your torpedoes for the enemy warships you expect to show up next turn!

[rockmedic109]

ORIGINAL: Bliztk

Just reading a report about Shokaku class and come across of their ammo storage facility.

Aircraft ordnance: forty-five torpedoes, ninety 800-kilo bombs, three hundred and six
250-kilo bombs, five hundred and forty 60-kilo bombs plus a fuel stowage of 496 tons
avgas.

That`s only two full strikes of B5N2 with torpedoes, 4 strikes of D3A1 with 800kg bombs, far less than we see in WITP

Are the ordnance handled different in AE or we have the same "air sorties"

I don't think the Val carried the 800kg bomb. That was for the Kate and I thought it was only for the Pearl Harbor raid. Did they use them any other time?

[Iridium]

ORIGINAL: rockmedic109

I don't think the Val carried the 800kg bomb. That was for the Kate and I thought it was only for the Pearl Harbor raid. Did they use them any other time?

To the best of my knowledge, no. That said, what else would have the Kates fielded asides from torpedos? If they were to be armed with bombs would they be bringing 250kgs or 800kgs? They had the payload for either...hell if there was a kit for it Kates could have carried three 250kg bombs(there wasn't).

EDIT: or was there... according to Wiki (right, well at least it's a start) they did posses the ability to carry three 250kg bombs at once.

huh...

[jwilkerson]

Kate with 3x250kg

[jwilkerson]

Kate with 800kg

[jwilkerson]

Kate with racks for 60kg

[Alikchi2]

That 800kg is a BEAST.

[jmscho]

ORIGINAL: Alikchi

That 800kg is a BEAST.

But not as much a beast as the Tall Boy 5,443 kg (12,000 lb)
or Grand Slam 9,979 kg (22,000 lb)

[:D][:D][:D]

[Yamato hugger]

And yet neither of them was carried by a single engine aircraft launched from a carrier at sea either.

[Barb]

I would like to see D3A Vals carrying 250kg GP bombs. I think this was their standard ordonance, not the AP ones.

Target:
Land - Why the hell will you have APs? GPs and HEs are worth more...
Sea - priority:
Carriers - Unles you are going after RN, you will more likely have GPs then APs and HEs. The same for non-combatant ships, up to destroyer size.
Major ships - Well use Vals as flak distraction while the torpedobombers do the job.

It is somewhat funny (in WITP) to see Vals and Hellen/Sonias droping 250kg AP bombs on AKs... Well the other thing is to see Nells/Bettys droping 800kg AP bombs on AKs. [:D]

(According to Midway by Fuchida: Only Kates torpedos were rearmed for bombs and then back to torpedos. Vals were not mentioned to be rearmed. They were just taken below the flight deck to free it up to land 1st wave returning. Can someone confirm this?)

[Nikademus]

The D3A bomb was a SAP type that could be fused for HE. (GP) The majority in a strike would be SAP with a small# fused for HE.

[vettim89]

ORIGINAL: Barb

I would like to see D3A Vals carrying 250kg GP bombs. I think this was their standard ordonance, not the AP ones.

Target:
Land - Why the hell will you have APs? GPs and HEs are worth more...
Sea - priority:
Carriers - Unles you are going after RN, you will more likely have GPs then APs and HEs. The same for non-combatant ships, up to destroyer size.
Major ships - Well use Vals as flak distraction while the torpedobombers do the job.

It is somewhat funny (in WITP) to see Vals and Hellen/Sonias droping 250kg AP bombs on AKs... Well the other thing is to see Nells/Bettys droping 800kg AP bombs on AKs. [:D]

(According to Midway by Fuchida: Only Kates torpedos were rearmed for bombs and then back to torpedos. Vals were not mentioned to be rearmed. They were just taken below the flight deck to free it up to land 1st wave returning. Can someone confirm this?)

Unfortunately, from what I have been able to gather from reading various AE threads, we are stuck with standard load outs AND EXP playing a factor on what certain planes will carry. The standard SBD loadout was a 1000lb SAP bomb which had enough penetration to go through a IJN CV's flight deck and the deck armor of some of the CA's. It didn't matter if a "Nugget" was flying the bird or a sesoned cobat veteran. The armorers did not consider whether it was ENS. Noobie's plance vice LCMDR. Grizzledvet's plane. The bomb's were loaded for the mission. This is a very frustrating aspect of the game.

[Barb]

But there are certainly some bomb types selection like 2000lb GP bombs when unit pass some rolls (Exp i think). Could be nice to see them adapted to say 800kg APs too.