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May 4th, 1942

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May 4th, 1942

India/Burma
We sweep Mandalay again, but all aerial opposition has left the field. On the ground, the Allies try to counter attack our troops and do poorly, getting only a 1:7 result.

DEI
We get a sub hit from a Val at Sabang.

The Hudsons attack our ships at Damar and again miss. We also capture the base today.

Philippines
San Jose is occupied after our landing yesterday. Our Sallys from Manila hit Iloilo and do about 150 casualties. We now have troops closing in from both directions on Iloilo.

Pacific
Some of our Vals and Kates spot a big AV at Pago Pago and go in for an attack. 32x P-39D and 14x P-40E are on CAP. Our 79 Zero escorts do pretty well and we only lose 1 Val. Unfortunately we only hit AV Tangier with one bomb.

With all three divisions in place, we launch a Deliberate attack on Suva today. We get 1:1 (250:197) results, and drop forts to 1. Casualties are slightly in favor of the Allies, but generally even. With a 4:1 advantage in troops, this base should fall soon.

China
We switch our bombing to Siangtan today since there are troops moving west to Shaoyang and casualties are good there at about 400. At Shoayang, the Chinese try an attack but only get 1:3 odds. They lose 2400 troops to our 800.

We start bombing Liuchow, both because it is in the clear and we get good casualties, but also to slow down any Chinese troops making a move west to try and bounce us back into Nanning.

The Chinese try a shock attack here, east of Nanning, but our 104th Division and 23rd Army HQ have arrived and manage to hold the line at 1:1 odds. The Chinese take 2000 casualties to our 700 and that was with the 104th in Move mode. The Chinese are showing both disruption and supply negatives so any further attacks will probably not do much better.

Photobucket doesn't seem to be working today, so here is a picture of the Mandalay attack, with my apologies for not being centered or placed in the correct position.

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RE: May 4th, 1942

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I can't understand the tactic of the allied player: Those attacks at Colombo, and now at Mandalay are free xp and a victory for the japanese player ALWAYS. If he wouldn't have attacked at Colombo, 6th AUS and 18th UK would be still holding the base....
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RE: May 4th, 1942

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In John's defense, I think he only expected my para unit to be there since yesterday his intel would have only shown 1 unit present. My brigade arrived the same day he attacked. I tend to do this when I can - have one unit enter before others in the hope of catching an Allied counterattack with bad odds. Of course sometimes it backfires, but so far I've had good luck with this approach.
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May 5th, 1942

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May 5th, 1942

India/Burma
I think John forgot to change orders at Mandalay as the troops there launch another deliberate attack. Our Paratroopers had left to the southwest, but out Infantry Regiment is still enough to get 1:7 results and take out about 200 Allies soldiers.

At Rangoon, we have the 65th Bge, 21st Bge and the 14th Tank Regiment which should be enough to continue to hold. The Allies bombard there today and we take no losses, although the enemy loses 2 squads to disablement.

DEI
6 B-17D's hit Dili and do a bit of damage to the airfield.

Pacific
17x B-17E's attack Terapo but do not do any damage to our troops in the jungle there.

Enemy sub S-47 misses on of our cargo ships near Nadi.

China
We send a brigade across the river into Tienshui so that we can close that hex side and not need to garrison it anymore. Our unit gets wreaked, but surprisingly the results are only 1:3 and we drop enemy forts to zero. The enemy troops there are definitely out of supply.

At Ichang, a couple units continue to chase our 57th Bge away from the backfield. The unit will march out of the woods and eventually go to Sining or Lanchow to cover the garrison duty while it rebuilds.

Submarines
Just west of Diego Garcia, I-159 pots the AP Leonard Wood that we hit a couple days back. I-159 put two more fish into the big troop ship and it is reported sunk.

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A juicy target it hit[/center]

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DD Hatsukaze beginning refit in shipyard at Soerabaja
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May 6th, 1942

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May 6th, 1942

India/Burma
Forgot to mention it yesterday, but we had 3 hits on enemy submarines here. None today though.

DEI
B-17 hit Dili again, doing little damage. Might move some Tojo's here.

Pacific
Mare' Island, east of Noumea is occupied today.

We put some Zeros and Oscars on CAP over Terapo and the B-17's are indeed back. We lose a Zero, and although we damage five B-17's we don't bring any down today.

A big day in the Pacific as we attack at Suva and get a 2:1 result, capturing the base. 12,500 US and New Zealand troops are added to IJN POW camps. Four Artillery units were wiped out at well. We will rest briefly and then the 8th Division will head to Pago Pago, while one of the other two division will start to trip to Australia and the other will stay at Suva in case the 8th needs help taking Pago Pago.

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Suva is captured![/center]

Our SNLF Coy captures Vanau Lava today.

At New Guinea, Australians in the jungle attack and get a 1:173 result, so clearly they are not a threat at this point.

China
A big day for us in China too, as our relief force crosses the river into Siangtan in a replay of the move we pulled off a couple weeks back. Today's crossing does equally well as we get a 5:1 result and recapture Siangtan. Casualties are 2400 Japan to 4900 Chinese. One of the routed units was a strong Chinese Division, so that is one less in top fighting form.

We now have a much more firm hold on Siantan and Shaoyang both. With all the engineers in these divisions, we should be able to crank the forts up to level 3 in a couple weeks, which should help defend against any big crossings from Changsha. The one thing that we'll have to watch out for is some of the freed up enemy troops coming down from Ichang.

It might take some time to setup, but once our artillery gets here, we may be able to finally make a serious attempt at Hengyang.

Farther north at Tienshui, the Chinese attack, probably thinking yesterday's shock attack had my troops in a bad way. They only get a 1:10 result and lose about twice as many casualties as we do (4000 to our 2000).

And in one little (planned) setback, a Chinese Corp captures Kwangchowan, but we don't lose anything since we airlifted out troops out of there over the past few days.

Submarines
About four hexes north west of Christmas Island, I-10 stumbles across CL Nashville and CL Leander. Although a Glen sub, the skipper doesn't skip the opportunity to do some damage and manages to put a torpedo into the CL Nashville. Probably not enough to sink the ship.

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Unexpected encounter[/center]

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The biggest ship the world has yet known is put into operational action today. The Battleship Yamato prepares to sail to the south Pacific.

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May 7th, 1942

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May 7th, 1942
A bit quiet today except in China.

India/Burma
Four Blenheim IV's attack our troops outside Chittagong, but our Zeros bring down all four bombers.

Pacific
B-17E's again hit Terapo, and today we manage to bring one of them down.

Our carriers are slowly moving east to conserve fuel, but they will take a crack at some shipping that seems to be at Canton Island soon.

China
All our bombers hit Shaoyang today and we inflict about 700 enemy casualties. The Chinese attack us at Shaoyang, and although they outnumber us roughly 3:1 (68,000 to 26,000), the air attacks, lack of supplies and forts all cause the Chinese to only get a 1:3 result. We take a decent amount of casualties (1,700) but the Chinese take a fair amount also (2,400).

The Chinese try another attack east of Nanning today but it again fails at 1:3 and casualties are very lopsided, about 12:1 in our favor. Our stack from the east has moved onto Liuchow, so I expect these Chinese in the woods to retreat, in which case we may have enough to send the three tank units north on the road towards Tuyun and Kweiyang, further reducing the flow of supplies to Liuchow.

In the far north, our troops catch up to the enemy troops we routed from Sining and attack again, further weakening them. Since we had an armor unit on the road, these enemy troops are bounced out into a mountain hex with no roads, so it should take a while before they make it back out.

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China situation[/center]
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May 8th, 1942

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May 8th, 1942

India/Burma
A Sally at Colombo gets a hit on an enemy sub.

The 55th Division arrived at Rangoon today. The 48th Should arrive tomorrow and then we will try an attack.

DEI
5x B-17D 's hit Dili today and our 8 Tojos are there to greet them. Two of the B-17's do not return home.

Philippines
With some assistance from our Sallys, several of our Naval Guard and SNLF units attack at Iloilo today and take the base easily with 127:1 odds. 3,400 troops of the 61st PA Inf Division are captured. Up next is Cebu. Unfortunately we have to land right into opposition there. We have a few more units coming from Tokyo, but it will probably be another week before we can capture that base.

Pacific
The Yasawa Islands, just north of Nadi, are occupied today. There are four more bases within 2 hexes of Suva, so hopefully they will all flip for free over the next few days.

Our carriers launch a strike at Canton Island today. CL Trenton is hit with 13 bombs and 1 torpedo, so it is probably a goner. AVP Heron takes a torpedo and goes down. DD Mugford gets a couple bombs and although on fire, will probably recover. Two large xAPs both take lots of bombs and a couple torpedoes so they are likely sunk. Those two are the xAP Matsonia and xAP Hong Kheng.

We will linger, but any remaining Allied ships will probably head east and we don't have the fuel to head any farther east.

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Opportunity strike at Canton[/center]

China
Five H81-A3s are on CAP over Liuchow today. We lose an Oscar, but no bomber casualties are taken.

The Chinese again attack at Shaoyang, this time doing even worse as our relief force arrives from Siangtang. They get 1:15 results and lose about 2,700 troops to our 800. They still outnumber us 2:1, but if their supplies get low and with air support we might have enough to counterattack soon.

They also attack east of Nanning again. 1:17 odds there. We take zero loss while they lose 1,322. I'm surprised they haven't already decide to either stand and defend or head east to Liuchow. They do outnumber us 3:1, but they are low on supply and high on fatigue.
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May 9th, 1942

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May 9th, 1942

India/Burma
We get one hit on an enemy sub near Colombo today.

Across the water from Ceylon, Madras goes up to size 9. Recon says there are about 50,000 troops there along with lots of airplanes.

The 3rd Yokosuka SNLF (paras) and 124th Inf Regiment attack at Meiktila today, capturing the base and forcing the 13th Burma Rifles back to Taung Gyi, which is where it came from.

48th Division is in place at Rangoon, so we will try a DA tomorrow and see how it goes.

DEI
Our SNLF coy occupies the dot base of Kai-eilanden.

North of Sabang, we get two hits on enemy subs.

Of the west coast of Sumatra, another SNLF unit clean up crew captures Pagai-eilanden.

Pacific
Suva's airbase goes to size 5 today. It only needed a bit more work so I figured what the heck. We'll switch to forts up to level three next. Also, our minesweepers arrive there today to start clearing the place out so we can load up for Pago Pago. 121 mines are cleared today.

We launch a small port attack on Canton just in case any ships disbanded into port. We kill a couple P-39Ds in the air, but find nothing in port.

China
Amazingly, the Chinese try another attack at Shaoyang, this time only getting 1:18 odds. They take 2,800 casualties to our 900.

Other
With all the hits on enemy subs lately, several have been showing up on the sunk ships list. Of course it is tough to tell how accurate that is. Today we get this: Previous report of sinking of SS Trusty incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service.

But on the bright side: xAK Cape Fairweather is reported to have been sunk near Gorontalo on Dec 13, 1941

And finally, Aircraft Ki-44-IIc Tojo advances R&D

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RE: April 23nd, 1942

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Regardless of what side I play, the American warships become a lot more effective in multiple roles once the big 10/42 refits are done.
And I just learned that there is a hard coded improvement for all allied ships in '43 representing their improvements in targetting and fusing. That explains so many results that I have seen through the years ...
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RE: April 28th, 1942

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

I have an R&D decision to make. Wanted to see if anyone has opinions.

I currently have 2x30 factories cranking away on the A6M5, 1x30 on the A6M3a, and I just had two A6M3 factories get repaired up to their full 30. I'm inclined to leave one of the A6M3's in place and let it roll into production so I have some land based, defense oriented A6M3's around in Burma/India until the A6M3a shows up and then I'll convert that to production and shift the A6M3a RD factory to something else.

I have 2x30 on the A6M5 since that plane is a pretty good improvement over the A6M3a.

My question is what should I do with the other A6M3 factory? I can put it on any of the following (normal arrival - date earliest arrival with 1 factory):
A6M3a (12/42)
A6M5 (4/43)
A6M5b (6/44)
A6M5c (10/44)- (3/44)
A6M8 (8/45) - (12/44)

I already have 2 on the A6M5 and from I've read, there are some declining returns after the first factory or two on any model. But I could still put it there and it might help get the A6M5 out a bit sooner.

A6M3a arrives too soon to get much benefit from another factory, so that one is out.

A6M5b is not so much better than A6M5, and it doesn't have armor anyway, so I say that one is out.

A6M5c has armor and 5 guns, so to me that seems like a noticeable jump. Maybe put it here. I estimate with the R&D it would arrive in March of 1944, maybe even late 43 with the addition of the A6M3a R&D factory later this year.

A6M8 is like A6M5c, but with +5 maneuver. Being the farthest out, I can also get the most benefit from the R&D on it. However, it would still come pretty late, in December of 1944. I can also put just the one A6M3a R&D factory on the A6M8 later this year, and it will still arrive around Feb of 45.

So I'm thinking A6M5c is the way to go, since March of 44 I may still have carriers and be fighting. Maybe that would be the case in December of 1944 too, but certainly it is less likely given how strong the Allies are in early 44.

What do you all think?
Sorry for the late on this, and prolly too late, but here are my thoughts anyway. I tend to produce the 3a and the 5c. The rest, meh, not so much. The 3a has the best range and the armament has maxxed out for the A6M series. The 5c gets armor. I tend to view all the models after the 3a as just minor variations of a very slow theme. They are all too slow against the allied fighters and I hardly see any difference in performance after the 3a. I mean 340, 350; meh, its all too slow. Could just be me, but that's my take.

With PDU ON, for me it is all about George. I get all of my LBA groups to George ASAP. You can choose Jack, to me they are the same thing. My CV groups have to wait until SAM. I try not to over think this too much.
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RE: April 28th, 1942

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ORIGINAL: offenseman

It is hard for me to spend much on RnD for that series since none of them are worth much once the Hellcat is widely in service and numerical superiority is at least equal for the Allies. I suppose I am rather fatalistic about CV and IJN fighter survivability after the A6M5 arrives (Hellcat arrival around that time). Later models seem to have a minor improvement in exchange for a decline in the only thing the Zero really has going for it, Range and Maneuverability. Over the A6M5, the B model gains one firepower point in exchange for less speed and maneuverability. The C model loses even more speed and maneuverability and a big decrease in range in order to gain armor and 4 firepower points. Of course opinions will vary but a case can be made to stop that series with A6M5 until very late war when the A7M2 arrives.

Indeed given the common role of the IJN CVs in late 43 and after, a good argument could probably be made to mix the A6M5 series with the A6M3a on board to use as long range escorts for the nicely ranged TBs Japan can employ by then. I have a pet theory (no testing) that high maneuverability rating helps escorts survive and bombers get through.
Yeah, pretty much how I think about it too ... A6M is dated once the Hellcat arrives. The only thing that saves them against Corsairs is that the allies don't get enough of them in '43.
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RE: April 28th, 1942

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

Here's the stats on the A6M line. Sam is of course better, but as I mentioned above, it isn't a sure thing that I can get it before 1944.

I'll get to Army fighters another day.





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And when I compare them against the Hellcat, they all look slow so none of them really makes me sit up and notice. Sure, there are some differences, but for me, I see pilot exp to be FAR more important than 10 mph in speed. So, I tend not to worry much about these little upgrading sub-models. Meaning, I don't R&D them at all. [;)] I put my R&D on George and Sam.

For my A6M, I put 6x30 on A6M3 on 7Dec41. When the A6M3 is available, I upgrade 3x30 to R&D the A6M3a, and put the other 3 into production for my LBA groups. When the A6M3a is available, all A6M3 factories produce the 3a. The old A6M2 factories change to other AC. I don't expend R&D on the rest of the A6M line. I will generally produce some of the A6M5c when they come up. I'm really trying to get the A7M into as early '44 as I can and I want the George as early as possible in '43.

I keep my IJN fighter plans very simple.

Just my thoughts ...

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PS: I know I am the minority opinion on a lot of this, but then that's just me. [;)]
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RE: April 1942 Summary

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

No subs were lost in April. I-165 is still in the lead, but I-4 is trying to catch up with 6 ships on her kill board.

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I love sub reporter too!
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RE: April 28th, 1942

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Hey,


I know this doesnt change things much, but you shold be aware that like AA value for ships, the firepower value for fighters does not mean much. This is, I think, because the firepower values given for different guns dont seem to follow their actual device statistics very well, because armor works best against rifle cal weapons(so against most opponents Ki-27 etc. are even worse than it seems by firepower points alone) but also because CT mounted guns get double the accuracy. Many Japanese planes have at least some weapons in CT so the difference is great. Especially look at planes like Ki-61-Id, Ki-61-IIKAIb, Ki-100, Ki-84 etc. - great part of or even majority of their firepower is in CT and has double the accuracy.

A6M5b may have just 1 firepower point more than M5 but it has a CT-mounted HMG + MG instead of essentially useless 2 rifle cal machine guns(useless as in, just how well do Ki-27s or A5M4s work against armored bombers or strike planes? Not very well at all). The difference isnt great but its more than what firepower value alone would tell.
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RE: April 28th, 1942

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Pax: Me too and it doesn't bother me either. [:)]

Erkki: That is a great point that some may miss. The difference between the accuracy on a centerline mounted cannon/gun and one with a front designation is huge. Having that extra accuracy means a lot in terms of causing damage. That damage damage may be in terms of a kill, mission kill, ops loss or something else and adds up. In the case of the B model, the plane has many other deficiencies it balances the benefit a bit though. Off topic in the sense that is not Zero related but the Tony line has some big changes with cannon swapping from wing to centerline that follow this theory even more so.
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RE: April 28th, 1942

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Unfortunately the M8 is all wing guns, but hopefully the speed and maneuverability will make up for the lack of CL guns. In any case, there is no switching the factories back at this point.

For IJA fighters, the Oscar and Tony are two that have lines into the late models and so I'm working on those pretty significantly. Oscars are generally crappy I know, but at least the Oscar IV has 2 CL mounted 20mm cannons. If CL is doubly accurate that should actually do pretty well. Plus the plane has an armor point.

As for the Tony's, I have decide to skip the Kawasaki versions entirely. Partly to streamline engine production, but also because the service level is just scary to me. The Ki-100 has two 12.7mm on the wings, and 2 CL mounted 20mm Ho-5 cannons, so I think it should perform pretty well too. At least in mid-late 43 when I expect to get it into battle.
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RE: April 28th, 1942

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ORIGINAL: Erkki

Hey,


I know this doesnt change things much, but you shold be aware that like AA value for ships, the firepower value for fighters does not mean much. This is, I think, because the firepower values given for different guns dont seem to follow their actual device statistics very well, because armor works best against rifle cal weapons(so against most opponents Ki-27 etc. are even worse than it seems by firepower points alone) but also because CT mounted guns get double the accuracy. Many Japanese planes have at least some weapons in CT so the difference is great. Especially look at planes like Ki-61-Id, Ki-61-IIKAIb, Ki-100, Ki-84 etc. - great part of or even majority of their firepower is in CT and has double the accuracy.

A6M5b may have just 1 firepower point more than M5 but it has a CT-mounted HMG + MG instead of essentially useless 2 rifle cal machine guns(useless as in, just how well do Ki-27s or A5M4s work against armored bombers or strike planes? Not very well at all). The difference isnt great but its more than what firepower value alone would tell.

This is especially apparent when you look at Soviet planes which have almost exclusively CL guns and cannons, and their accuracy is through the roof.

I agree on a plane like the A6M5b but also the 5c, which some overlook because it's slower. The armor and the good armament make it a great escort and a decent CAP plane, with more staying power than previous versions.

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May 10th, 1942

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May 10th, 1942

India/Burma
I said yesterday we would attack at Rangoon, but actually waited another day for the 55th Division to show up.

Pacific
We finish clearing mines at Suva so our transports will move in tomorrow.

China
Siangtan forts go to level 2 today, certainly that helps me breath a bit easier. Once it is up to level 3 I'll be really happy.

We get a little scare near Canton Island when SS Plunger duds on Kaga.

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May 11th, 1942

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May 11th, 1942

India/Burma
Forgot to mention that yesterday we had three aerial hits on enemy subs near Colombo. Today we don't get any though.

We launch our first deliberate attack at Rangoon. Attack goes reasonably well with 1:2 results and forts dropping to level 2. Our troops take about 3100 casualties versus the enemy 1300 so we'll need to rest a day or two before attacking again. We have another armor unit on the way, so once it arrives that should help a bit.

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First attack at Rangoon, led mainly by the 48th and 55th Divisions[/center]

A decent amount of troops are now on the trail southeast of Chittagong. The 7th Indian Division, 36th and 63rd Indian Brigades, 254th Armored Brigade and the 1st Somerset LI Battalion are all present. We are facing them with one third of the 56th Division. Hopefully our higher experience and the terrain will allow us to hold here until we start our own push.

Pacific
Koro Island, east of Suva is occupied. Also, our small SNLF Coy captures the last dot base in the New Hebrides at Epi.

China
Shaoyang goes up to fort level 3 as we continue to bomb the Chinese besieging the base. With fort 3 and our air power I am pretty sure that base is safe unless the Chinese bring a lot of troops from Changsha.

Other
A6M5 is moved up one month. This means I'll switch the last A6M research factory over to the M8 model.
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RE: May 11th, 1942

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May 12th, 1942

India/Burma
A couple of enemy HDMLs approach Moulmein where our empty transports are lingering while we wait for Rangoon to go down. The HDMLs are easily destroyed by our patrol ships.

A handful of enemy planes - 2 Blen IV, 2 Buffalos and 3 Hudsons - attack our troops near Chittagong. We have four Oscars on CAP and although we lose one, we don't take any ground casualties. However, the enemy ground forces attack and manage to get a 4:1 result which is enough to send us retreating west. This unit will take over garrison duty at Cox's Bazar, while the 56th/C unit that is there will start marching to Chittagong. Our main body of troops should arrive in this hex in the next day or two.

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We get pushed back at Chittagong[/center]

In Burma, at Shwebo, our Yokosuka 1st SNLF paratrooper arrive on foor from Katha and fine a small enemy unit - the Upper Burma BAF Battalion in place at the base. The paratroopers easily seize the base with a 12:1 result.

Pacific
Another base near Suva, Gau Island, is occupied today.

The 8th Division starts to board transports for the assault on Pago Pago. Once it leaves, 26th Division will load up and head to Australia while the 21st remains until Pago Pago is secured. It is possible Pago will be defended well, and I'm not entirely sure how well the landing will go since we no longer have the benefit of our amphib bonus.

China
At Kiuchuan, in far north China, our two tank regiments attack and get 1:1 results. We have infantry close behind so we will probably wait for the infantry support.

Other
CV Hiryu leaves the shipyard at Singapore all fixed up and ready to go. It will sail to Hong Kong where Soryu's repairs are wrapping up and then together they will sail to wherever they are needed at the time.

DD Fanning is reported to have been sunk near Nadi on Apr 07, 1942
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