The PERFECT WAR Mod: Allied Side

[John 3rd]

Let us get this DONE and I'll work to 'liberate' those oppressed islands!

Canning Spaghetti Sauce today here. VERY exciting!

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Canning Spaghetti Sauce today here. VERY exciting!

Too funny. Talked with my brother (outside of Longmont) and he too is canning sauce today. Tomatoes are vine ripe ... get'em while you "can". [:D]

[John 3rd]

We must have harvested 3 5 Gallon buckets of Tomatos. Later this week is apricots for Jam and in two weeks we'll have Grapes for juice and jam.

ONE SECOND AFTER has nothing on me! This house is prepared for the distaster when the world collapses! Yaaa...OK...perhaps...not!

[FatR]

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

This may be a stupid question.  Can you add AC production to the Allied side?

You mean full management of AC production? No. We want to add extra off-map facilities that will need a serious flow of supply to ever repair, so that players who care can expand their production. Also, probably straight increases in reinforcements for some planes, particularly late in the war.

As a side note, I might have missed that, but were wartime USN expansions considered so far. I know we planned completion of 2 unfinished Iowa-class battleships and the whole planned 6-ship series of Alaska-class battlecruisers in the other thread, but similar late-war additions should be made to other classes of ships as well.

[DOCUP]

Thanks FatR.  I didn't know if you could add any at all.  I personally would like to be able to increase the reinforcements of AC.  Even if by just a few planes.  It would be nice to have maybe a few factories.  How many factories and for what AC?  Would the player be able to upgrade to a different AC?
 
Yea build more ships later in the war.  I won't disagree with you on that.
 
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[oldman45]

If a two player war really would drag out to 46, there are around 100 DE and DD's that can be added not to mention a few Essex's that were pulled. I am not sure about the cruisers. There are the CL/CA's that were completed just after wars end, I cannot remember the class names.

[John 3rd]

Absolutely correct.

I think we slow down here until the air and LCU changes get done over in the other side of the thread.

[John 3rd]

Skyland: You willing to place the French in the Mod Files if I can get them sent to you by FatR?

[Skyland]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Skyland: You willing to place the French in the Mod Files if I can get them sent to you by FatR?

Ok

[Dili]

If it is the "Perfect allied war mod" does it have the Italian Destroyer Carabiniere that escorted British CV's from Trincomalee between May to August 1945? [:'(]

[MateDow]

Some comments on the "Big 5" refits...

The reboilering of the ships would not have added speed to these ships.  Basically, the reduced weight of the boilers would be used to offset the increased weight of fire control equipment, increased dual-purpose and AAA batteries, and other improvements.  As a guide, look at the overhauls of the Pennsylvania or New Mexico class battleships.

If we are looking for a way to get them in the game without unbalancing the scenario, pull two of them out of service for the long, two year long rebuild.  Add them like you would ships transferring in from the Atlantic.  With the New Mexico, Mississippi and Idaho in place, there would not have been too much weakening of the Battle Force.  Use the refits done as a result of the Pearl Harbor damage as the template.  The third ship can receive refit as normal during the course of the game.

Remilitarize the Wyoming (Similar to Hiei) and leave her in the Atlantic until 1944.  No new artwork or models needed.  If you are looking for another extant ship, you have the former battleship Utah, but that would require artwork, and I doubt that the US would have expended the effort on that ship, but she might have been used as an AV or AS in the same method that the monitors were used during WW1, if the use a target ship would have not been militarily justified.

Instead of adding 1,500 ton destroyers to the Asiatic fleet, add additional 1,000 tonners (Clemson-class).  This will keep common spares and ammunition for the destroyers deployed to the Philippines.  Take them from the destroyers based at PH or from the pool of reserve destroyers.  It also adds the question of the status of the 50 destroyers traded to the UK for basing rights, and how would that figure into this alternative reality.  It would provide a source for additional DM, DMS or APD if desired.

Add the Pensacola to the Asiatic Fleet with the Boise.  Advance the progress of her convoy to have her in place on 7 December.  Give the Houston her radar set that was sitting on the dock in Cavite when the war started.

Those are my thoughts on some of the US naval aspect.

[John 3rd]

Those are limited, NICE ideas. I like switching out a pair of the Big Five for refit and replacing them with the 3 New Mexico's.

The DD similarity for the Philippines makes excellent sense. We could also add the Convoy that Pensacola was escorting into Manila plus the LCUs. Makes a bunch of good, sound sense to me.

[DOCUP]

Nice to see some action in this thread again.  I'd still like to see some speed to the old ladies.  Everyone likes fast ladies[:D].
 
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[oldman45]

I don't think that's where Pensacola was headed was it? I thought it was taking equipment to the south pacific. There was another convoy that was originating out of SF that was recalled. I thought that was the one that was supposed to go to the PI.

[MateDow]

ORIGINAL: oldman45

I don't think that's where Pensacola was headed was it? I thought it was taking equipment to the south pacific. There was another convoy that was originating out of SF that was recalled. I thought that was the one that was supposed to go to the PI.

That convoy was loaded with equipment for the PI and was diverted to Australia when the war broke out. Convoy 4002 departed PH on November 29 with the intent of transiting the Torres Strait enroute to Manila. On 8 December (Hawaii Time) this convoy was given orders to proceed to Sydney, then ordered back to Hawaii, then back south, finally receiving orders to Brisbane.

This convoy was loaded (is loaded in game?) with P-40s and A-24s for the Far Eastern Air Force, so this could provide an "excuse" to have more aircraft in the PI. It also had two regiments of artillery (147th & 148th), HQ for the 26th Artillery Brigade, 7th BG HQ, 88th Recon Sq (H), 38th Recon Sq (H), 453 Aviation Ord. Co, 340 Vehicles, 20 75mm guns, 6 37mm AT guns, plus supplies, ammunition and avgas.

Basically, this one convoy would give a boost to the Philippine Division, but probably not enough to significantly effect the Japanese schedule.

[John 3rd]

MateDow: Thanks for the clarification. I could look but I imagine you have the exact ships in the convoy? This TF does provide the excuse for more P-40s, we'll add a Squadron of B-25, and a Squadron of A-24. Be a nice bump for the Allied player. Will have to figure out what to do with the LCUs but you are correct in that they would surely help the defense some.

DOCUP and Oldman: We're OK. You are correct that things have slowed down but FatR is getting work done. Figure we'll send the turn off for the French and Thai to added by Skyland and then decide what comes next. I think we're in pretty good shape at the moment.

[AdmNelson]

How far are you out on finishing? French additions sound out cool.

[MateDow]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

MateDow: Thanks for the clarification. I could look but I imagine you have the exact ships in the convoy? This TF does provide the excuse for more P-40s, we'll add a Squadron of B-25, and a Squadron of A-24. Be a nice bump for the Allied player. Will have to figure out what to do with the LCUs but you are correct in that they would surely help the defense some.

Yes I do.

From the book Racing the Sunrise...

Pensacola - Escort
USS Republic
USS Chaumont
USS Niagra
USAT Willard A. Holbrook
USAT Meigs
SS Admiral Halstad
SS Coast Farmer
MV Bloemfontein

Units and Major Cargo Items
147th Field Artillery Regiment
148th Field Artillery Regiment (-2nd Battalion)
2nd Battalion of 131st Field Artillery Regiment
HQ & HQ Battery 26th Field Artillery Brigade
7th Bomb Group HQ & HQ Squadron
88th Recon Squadron (H)
38th Recon Squadron (H)
8th Material Squadron
36th Signal Platoon, AB
Company A, 91st QM Battalion (LM)
453rd Ordnance Company (Avn)(B)
Pilot Officers 21st & 34th Pursuit Squadrons (of 35th Group)

340 Vehicles
20 75-mm guns
6 37mm AT guns
Small Arms
52 A-24 Dive Bombers
18 P-40E Fighters
48 Model 1917 ("British") 75mm
123 0.30-cal mg
680,000 rounds 0.50-cal ammunition
3,000,000 rounds 0.30-cal ammunition
9,600 rounds 37mm AA ammunition
460 rounds 75mm shrapnel ammunition
5,245 bombs
6,000 drums of aviation oil
2,953 drums of aviation gas
Other supplies

[John 3rd]

GREAT! Sounds like a pretty good resource. What is the full info on that book? Can always look for something to add to the library.

[MateDow]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

GREAT! Sounds like a pretty good resource. What is the full info on that book? Can always look for something to add to the library.

Racing the Sunrise: Reinforcing America's Pacific Outposts, 1941-1942
Glen Williford
Naval Institute Press