Laugh n a 1/2 - Manstein63 now allowed

[bigbaba]

you still can get a draw terje although you los a lot of territory in the last turns after this brilliant opening by your oponent in the center.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: bigbaba

you still can get a draw terje although you los a lot of territory in the last turns after this brilliant opening by your oponent in the center.

We shall see, it all depends upon how long I am able to hold this line. Can I hold it through winter, the chances increase by a lot....



Terje

[terje439]

Turn 129

Overall
Should have guessed, after a good turn comes a not so good one. The line is breeched...Ok, so it is just in one hex, and I have the 4th PzA available for such an occurance, but I do not like the ease with which it was done. Oh, and yes, my CV was reduced by aproxomately 1/3...
Anyway, 5 USSR attacks this turn, resulting in 4 helds and 1 retreat, while we made one attack and scored a retreat (although 2 out of 3 USSR units routed).

Losses
I would think both sides had some, yes.

Partisans
8 are killed, leaving 5 on the map.

German Pools
Manpower : 150.357
Vehicles : 244.792
Armaments : 437.436
Hiwi : 9.672

[Peltonx]

What are your ToE % settings at?

You close on the turn to hex ratio, going to be tight.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Pelton

What are your ToE % settings at?

You close on the turn to hex ratio, going to be tight.

Somewhat various. Some units are at 50%, while most of the frontline is still at 100%. 75% for gunbased SUs.


Terje

[bigbaba]

gj routing out the red stuff. this will cause immense additional loses to him and this guys need at least 2-3 turns to change their (now) yellow underpants and wear red ones again.

[Peltonx]

Is this a game that started after 1.07 or shortly before?

You CV do not crash at all from what I am seeing.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: bigbaba

gj routing out the red stuff. this will cause immense additional loses to him and this guys need at least 2-3 turns to change their (now) yellow underpants and wear red ones again.

Hehehe nah, routing one single stack is doable, it is not a concern until several hexes are breeched [:)]



Terje

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Is this a game that started after 1.07 or shortly before?

You CV do not crash at all from what I am seeing.

Had to check. First 14 turns were with the previous build, then we patched up before T15.
It hasen't crashed per ce, but it has dropped 50-75% in a lot of units.

*edited since I cannot type my name properly [8|]*

Terje

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: terje439

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Is this a game that started after 1.07 or shortly before?

You CV do not crash at all from what I am seeing.

Had to check. First 14 turns were with the previous build, then we patched up before T15.
It hasen't crashed per ce, but it has dropped 50-75% in a lot of units.

*edited since I cannot type my name properly [8|]*

Terje

Ok so refit paths working.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Pelton

ORIGINAL: terje439

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Is this a game that started after 1.07 or shortly before?

You CV do not crash at all from what I am seeing.

Had to check. First 14 turns were with the previous build, then we patched up before T15.
It hasen't crashed per ce, but it has dropped 50-75% in a lot of units.

*edited since I cannot type my name properly [8|]*

Terje

Ok so refit paths working.

Seems so. All pools spiral downwards when the weather is good enough, and they rise when mud arrives, so seems to work fine here.


Terje

[terje439]

Turn 130 aka The Red Army That Tried

Overall
I doubt very much that Sean is happy with this turn. A lot of USSR attacks, but only two retreats. The second retreat does however result in the breech from last turn now being twice as wide, but PzA IV has arrived up there now, and immediately counterattacked. 21 USSR attacks resulted in 16 helds, 3 scouted and 2 retreats, or just below 10% success. Our one attack resulted in a retreat for a 100% result [:D]

Losses
Atleast a Dachs named Frankfürter as far as our reports indicate.

Partisans
4 remain on the map after we kill off 6.

German Pools
Manpower : 165.568
Vehicles : 239.604
Armaments : 457.418
Hiwi : 7.123

Additional pool numbers
Vehicles in units : 189.456 (189.615)
Vehicles in pool : 239.604 (169.786)
Vehicles in repais : 94.303

[loki100]

good news.

I do wonder if too many Soviet players try to be too surgical in this phase. Can understand the logic, manpower, trucks et al aren't unlimited, but it may also be that trying to overload a German defense (ie a wee bit of maskirovka) might pay dividends.

These turns seem a good example. Ok you know have a hole in your fort line that will be hard to repair, so your IV PZA is a wee bit less mobile as it needs to mind the gap, but it was easy enough for your to concentrate to seal off the offensive.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: loki100

good news.

I do wonder if too many Soviet players try to be too surgical in this phase. Can understand the logic, manpower, trucks et al aren't unlimited, but it may also be that trying to overload a German defense (ie a wee bit of maskirovka) might pay dividends.

These turns seem a good example. Ok you know have a hole in your fort line that will be hard to repair, so your IV PZA is a wee bit less mobile as it needs to mind the gap, but it was easy enough for your to concentrate to seal off the offensive.

True, but the problem can be seen in the defense values of my stacks. The 3 units of PzA IV have the same defensive value as a single division in a lvl 3 fort. And, if he keeps attacking the same units over and over, he will eventually wear down my units.
That being said, I do agree, and Sean did indeed try to pierce my line in several positions, he just failed in all his attempts elsewhere. I also think he might have built too few artillery units, as I do not see a lot of them on the map. What I would have tried now as the USSR, would be to mass a lot of infantry, tanks, cav and mech in a concentrated area, push a hole in the front, and then drive deep through it. Worst case scenario, I will cut them off for one turn, but 3x3 USSR Rifle Corps with decent amount of artillery units will rout any stack I can field, so he would be in supply again the following turn, and I would be forced to pull back to the next line, as I would be unable to contain his thrust.
The one thing I do not understand however is why he is allowing a lot of my units to be out of enemy ZoC. The attrition battle is one he should be taking at any time. That makes no sense to me at all...



Terje

[Peltonx]

He should pick away, but until rivers freeze you can hold. Once the freeze he can easly hit you in allot of spots.

Might be smart on his part to build up trucks/supplies then hit you hard in Nov and then pound away the rest of the game.

If you can hold this line until Dec your in very good shape.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Pelton

He should pick away, but until rivers freeze you can hold. Once the freeze he can easly hit you in allot of spots.

Might be smart on his part to build up trucks/supplies then hit you hard in Nov and then pound away the rest of the game.

If you can hold this line until Dec your in very good shape.

Rivers have been frozen a turn or two. Well, we ARE in Dec [:D]


Terje

[terje439]

Turn 131 aka The Red Army That Could

Overall
And then, the line bursts in several locations. We temporarily seal of the leaks, but I do think I will have to pull back soon. Only problem with that is, that although I have several lines in place in the south, I do not have a lot of positions ready in the north, so a retreat now could indeed lead to a rout...
26 USSR attacks resulted in 20 helds and 6 retreats. 3 of the retreats were in the already broken part of our line, the remaining 3 were divided in two areas. One of the held results did however reduce the fort to lvl 1...
We only did 2 attacks, and scored 2 retreats.

Losses
USSR : 71.000 troops, 878 guns, 297 AFVs, ??? AC.
Axis : 31.000 troops, 402 guns, 58 AFVs, ?? AC.
I do not have the AC losses due to my own stupidity. I looked at and wrote down the other losses, then decided to to ground strike missions afterwards, which ofc resets the count. So, the AC losses were whatever theywere before the groundstrike, during which I lost some 120 AC to the USSRs 20ish.

Partisans
4 remain on the map after we kill off 5.

German Pools
Manpower : 169.380
Vehicles : 239.620
Armaments : 469.621
Hiwi : 2.341

[terje439]

Turn 132 aka The Sneaky Red Army

Overall
It seems Sean has been watching the "entering Stalingrad"-scene from "enemy at the gate" over and over. He sure ordered his troops to run headlong into my positions this turn. And then he was sneaky (as he landed two ski brigades at Ochakov which is two hexes SW of Nikolaev). And then there was a true WTF moment for me (see below). Anyway, the front was pierced a few more places, but about half of the retreat results he got this turn was follow up attacks on units already pushed back. Still, I really hope for a short winter!
No less than 59 USSR attacks this turn for a result of 42 helds, 1 scouted and 16 retreats. We too did quite a few attacks this turn, with a total of 16. The results were 1 held, 11 retreats, 3 routed and 1 surrender (the two ski brigades at Ochakov).

Losses
I only added up for the USSR, as the time needed to add all those numbers was quite long.
USSR : 127.000 troops, 2.256 guns, 692 AFVs, 432 AC.
Keep in mind that these are only battle numbers, so add some more for attrition. Not even the USSR can take such losses over a prolonged time. Only bad thing is that he can take it for longer than me...

USSR units destroyed
2 Ski Brigades.

Partisans
We only managed to kill 4 of the 12 on map.

German Pools
Manpower : 151.629
Vehicles : 234.058
Armaments : 429.048
Hiwi : 432
About the reduction in the pools, quite a few SUs had their TOE max% upped last turn. Want to see how well I can sustain that.

[Walloc]

Eh, Terje didnt that happen to u on the Crimea too a few games ago?
Those evil freezes [;)]

[bigbaba]

nasty surprise again. i guess that means general retreat in the north terje? not worth attacking such high CV RC.