OT: Corona virus

[RangerJoe]

Apparently they are either not drinking enough wine with its anti-viral properties, or someone wants to spend more money. Or both. But the research on this is a good thing to do as it will give insights not just for this disease but it can be used in comparison for other viral research, and into the resulting diseases, and cures.

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee.

You mean that France, the home of "french kissing", the only way for non-symptomatic Covid-carriers to spread the disease, has decided that it's "unstoppable? Well, duh! [:'(]

[durnedwolf]

Lack of test kits, that was our dilemma... I heard somewhere that the Whitehouse purchased 21 buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken and 50 Big Macs to be frozen and stockpiled in case they have to go under quarantine for two to three weeks.

They thought about stockpiling salads for Malania but I guess there are already enough vegetables in the Whitehouse... [:'(]

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

Lack of test kits, that was our dilemma... I heard somewhere that the Whitehouse purchased 21 buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken and 50 Big Macs to be frozen and stockpiled in case they have to go under quarantine for two to three weeks.

They thought about stockpiling salads for Malania but I guess there are already enough vegetables in the Whitehouse... [:'(]

Please, let us not get political here.

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

Lack of test kits, that was our dilemma... I heard somewhere that the Whitehouse purchased 21 buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken and 50 Big Macs to be frozen and stockpiled in case they have to go under quarantine for two to three weeks.

They thought about stockpiling salads for Malania but I guess there are already enough vegetables in the Whitehouse... [:'(]

Please, let us not get political here.

That's not intended to be political - it's just humor. If it offends you please disregard.

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

That's not intended to be political - it's just humor. If it offends you please disregard.

Wrong answer

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: Kull

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee.

You mean that France, the home of "french kissing", the only way for non-symptomatic Covid-carriers to spread the disease, has decided that it's "unstoppable? Well, duh! [:'(]

Really - was what I posted any more political than this?

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

ORIGINAL: Kull

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee.

You mean that France, the home of "french kissing", the only way for non-symptomatic Covid-carriers to spread the disease, has decided that it's "unstoppable? Well, duh! [:'(]

Really - was what I posted any more political than this?

You picked on Big Macs instead of on Whoppers! [:D] [;)]

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

ORIGINAL: Kull

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee.

You mean that France, the home of "french kissing", the only way for non-symptomatic Covid-carriers to spread the disease, has decided that it's "unstoppable? Well, duh! [:'(]

Really - was what I posted any more political than this?

Words fail.....

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: Kull

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

ORIGINAL: Kull




You mean that France, the home of "french kissing", the only way for non-symptomatic Covid-carriers to spread the disease, has decided that it's "unstoppable? Well, duh! [:'(]

Really - was what I posted any more political than this?

Words fail.....

I think in regards to your statement we can both agree - lol.

Look - if you are copping a waaaa 'cause of my post then I'm sorry you feel put out. What I posted was tongue-in-cheek humor to me. There are a lot of things posted from a lot of people from all over this blue marble and most of us have our own biases and prejudices. All I can say is that I wasn't trying to offend you or anyone else. If you took offense, I'm sorry you got sore and I ask that you please disregard what I posted.

This thread is about the virus and in America we seem to have too few testing kits. Is that a fault of America's government? Many would say so. I would say so. Are there other means of checking to see if you or your family are infected other than making an appointment with your doctor, clinic, or ER? Yes. I really like that drive-by, roll down the window, swab and go thing I saw in the news. S. Korea has really ramped up kit production. I think America should have started our own ramp-up a few weeks back. Heck - we could probably copy the same kit the Koreans are using and start mass-producing…

Right now, as I look at the data from the John Hopkins data map, I see that in America, the country I live in, over the last few days we seem to be increasing the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases by about 100 per day. The current number I see confirmed is 376 as I type. Total deaths are at 14 (12 of which are in King County and most of those from a nursing home). There are 8 people listed as recovered. So my math says that 356 are still dealing with the virus.

My fear is that those numbers are very lite and that many-many cases go unreported.

What I hear is that a lot of states and hospitals are reporting a shortage of test kits. I also realize that about a third of Americans (my estimate pulled firmly from the cheeks of my tail-pipe) are working 2 jobs and eating baloney and they are probably gunna try to go to work to earn a check instead of doing some method of self-quarantine. Sometimes - when things crop up that are out of the ordinary, a government of the people, by the people, and for the people needs to do something for the people without trying to get reimbursed. There are all sorts of "emergency" policies we can put into place on an "emergency" basis to help people that are infected by the virus, but first, we need to test our population heavily and, I would argue, free of charge. Back in the day, when I was military property, If there was a need for a "short arm" check, officers made it happen. It didn't matter what color I was, it didn't matter what rank I held, and it didn't matter if I was married or single.

I submit that if this virus-thing is really important to us, we in America could grab this bull by the horns and punch it straight in the snout.

That's my 2-cents.

[RangerJoe]

How is any organization, be it a hospital, a pharmasceutical company, or any manufacturer, be able to provide things free of charge and continue to be viable? They can make it as low cost as is possible and some do so. It is up to the healthcare organizations to decide what they need to do their requested jobs. Last October, why didn't you ask your local healthcare organization to be able to test you and anyone else who needed to be tested?

[Kull]

Fixed it for you:

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

Lack of test kits, that was our dilemma... I heard somewhere that CDC employees were so addled by the smoke at their Bernie rallies they were developing Corona Beer test kits instead.

They thought about stockpiling limes to go with them but I guess there are already enough fruits at the agency... [:'(]

That's not intended to be political - it's just humor. If it offends you please disregard. [;)]

[durnedwolf]

ORIGINAL: Kull

Fixed it for you:

ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

Lack of test kits, that was our dilemma... I heard somewhere that CDC employees were so addled by the smoke at their Bernie rallies they were developing Corona Beer test kits instead.

They thought about stockpiling limes to go with them but I guess there are already enough fruits at the agency... [:'(]

That's not intended to be political - it's just humor. If it offends you please disregard. [;)]

I'm good with the reverse psychology thing you are using - it's just that other than the first sentence, that's not my actual quote. And I really-really like the GEICO Pinocchio picture. I would have left that in or used something more to your preference. [;)]

Anyways - as long as we can joke about it w/o feeling burnt - I'm totally fine with your "fix."

[JohnDillworth]

If the current rate of infections continues to double every 6 days we will be at 1 million cases by the end of April. In the United States, only 2,000 tests have been administered as of yesterday. I think it is safe to assume there are many, many cases that have not been detected because they have not been tested. I suspect we will see a massive acceleration this week. The United States has 800,000 hospital beds. 500,000 are currently occupied. Figure 10% of patients will need hospitalization. We will run out of hospital beds by summer unless the rate of infection is slowed considerably. Exponential math is not kind here. Italy had 20 cases 2 weeks ago. They are now approaching 6,000. There is no reason to think that the United States will fare any better than Italy. I also am having doubts about Chinas reporting of things getting better.

[Canoerebel]

Chickenboy posted several pages back about one key reason we'll see a bump in positives in the coming week.

If the data coming from China is true, why would we have more than 1,000,000 cases when China has about 80,000, to this point?

As I noted a page or two back, the epidemic grew quickly in China for about a month, then dramatically leveled out and has remained there. IE, only a few hundred new cases per day.

If we follow that general curve, we should see an increase for about three more weeks, then a leveling out.

I can't envision how we'd have 10 times as many cases as China, or anything close.

I just don't see this happening.

[witpqs]

I don't recall the figure, but I heard yesterday the % of US hospital beds occupied is way over 90%.

But I guess the really relevant figure is mechanical ventilators available in case of need, because they are the critical item which keeps the worst cases alive to get over the infection.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Chickenboy posted several pages back about one key reason we'll see a bump in positives in the coming week.

If the data coming from China is true, why would we have more than 1,000,000 cases when China has about 80,000, to this point?

As I noted a page or two back, the epidemic grew quickly in China for about a month, then dramatically leveled out and has remained there. IE, only a few hundred new cases per day.

If we follow that general curve, we should see an increase for about three more weeks, then a leveling out.

I can't envision how we'd have 10 times as many cases as China, or anything close.

I just don't see this happening.

For one thing, there could be lots of unreported mild cases in China. That could be part of the difficulty in figuring out the actual mortality rate of the disease.

[btd64]

there's suppose to be something like 995,000 critical care beds in the US. Along with what witpqs just stated, that doesn't leave a lot of beds for the virus patients.if this thing explodes....GP

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

I don't recall the figure, but I heard yesterday the % of US hospital beds occupied is way over 90%.

And the economic incentive to empty them is....? I expect if there's a critical need for more beds, then we'll suddenly learn that quite a few of the "must be hospitalized" will somehow be found ready for early discharge. One would also hope that administrators are looking at their upcoming schedules and identifying elective surgeries and low priority stuff which could be pushed out to ensure there's more room.

[Kull]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Chickenboy posted several pages back about one key reason we'll see a bump in positives in the coming week.

If the data coming from China is true, why would we have more than 1,000,000 cases when China has about 80,000, to this point?

As I noted a page or two back, the epidemic grew quickly in China for about a month, then dramatically leveled out and has remained there. IE, only a few hundred new cases per day.

If we follow that general curve, we should see an increase for about three more weeks, then a leveling out.

I can't envision how we'd have 10 times as many cases as China, or anything close.

I just don't see this happening.

Amen. The numbers don't lie. And much of the exponential growth in China was due to factors which no longer apply. Also, people keep using flu-spread analogies and that is flat-out wrong. Infection rates for Covid-19 are literally orders of magnitude lower. I'm not making that stuff up - it's hard data straight from the agencies themselves.