Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A)

[rustysi]

Can an atoll have more than 6k troop size?

Some island 'groups' that are in fact atolls are listed as small islands and will therefore allow a larger stacking limit. At least in game terms.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

4th Fleet area - it's too late now, but I like to build up Ailinglaplap due to it being able to take 10k in troops vs the 6k found at most bases in area. Add in an Air HQ there and it can present problems as it can be built up bigger. Add this note for your next game.

Looking over to the west, what have you got at Kusaie Island?

Any base in Marshalls and Gilberts that has AF potential of size 5 is prized for Allies as it allows 4e beasties to fly out of without any reduction in bomb load.

I'll keep that in mind for the next game. Kusaie is pretty sparse. It's got a Naval Guard, level 6 forts and no build up. Port is 1(1) and Airfield is 0(3). I see what you're getting at with it. I can easily reinforce it with an SNLF or two.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

We're both traveling this weekend. Ted is taking the high road and I'm taking the low road. There's a good chance he'll fly over me. At any rate, things will probably slow down the next day or two.

Hey, enjoy, you guys deserve a break. Though I must admit the suspense may kill me. Things are getting 'hot' around here lately, and its really interesting.

Definitely getting interesting. We're both bringing laptops so things won't stop, just slow a bit. This is the farthest either of us has reached in a PBEM. New ground for both of us.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Zorch

In the words of Halsey, "Attack Repeat Attack".

Wait, what? Who's this Halsey fellow you speak of? [;)]

Halsey was voted 'Most likely to die in a suicidal attack' by his Annapolis class.

[rustysi]

I'll keep that in mind for the next game. Kusaie is pretty sparse. It's got a Naval Guard, level 6 forts and no build up. Port is 1(1) and Airfield is 0(3). I see what you're getting at with it. I can easily reinforce it with an SNLF or two.

Its not so much the ground forces here as it is using it as a staging area to reinforce the Marshall and Gilbert Islands. You don't have to base a large number of air units in the area when you can hop through Kusaie and the other island to its west (Ponape?). Not that you have large a large number of air groups to do so in the first place. Its all about interior lines and the flexibility to shift forces from one area to another. Ah, what do you logistics guys know anyway.[:D]

[rustysi]

New ground for both of us.

Me too, and I'm just along for the ride. May I say, 'what a ride its turning into'.[:)]

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

I'll keep that in mind for the next game. Kusaie is pretty sparse. It's got a Naval Guard, level 6 forts and no build up. Port is 1(1) and Airfield is 0(3). I see what you're getting at with it. I can easily reinforce it with an SNLF or two.

Its not so much the ground forces here as it is using it as a staging area to reinforce the Marshall and Gilbert Islands. You don't have to base a large number of air units in the area when you can hop through Kusaie and the other island to its west (Ponape?). Not that you have large a large number of air groups to do so in the first place. Its all about interior lines and the flexibility to shift forces from one area to another. Ah, what do you logistics guys know anyway.[:D]

I was looking at it from the enemy point of view. As an Allied base, he can build the airfield up to level 5 then use 4E bombers to shut down the central Pacific. The Marshalls are useless forts at that point.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

New ground for both of us.

Me too, and I'm just along for the ride. May I say, 'what a ride its turning into'.[:)]

Definitely. After major engagements, we'll talk about what we did and thought we knew about the other side. Some quite comical discussions.

[Mike Solli]

Here's an example of our most recent dialogue. We tend to reply back and forth a lot so the subject line has a lot of Re's in it.

Replying to clear the RE:'s, and to look at you like an idiot and ask..."Carriers? Transports ? Whatever do you mean?"

After the CentPac operation is over (one way or the other), we'll talk about it.

I can't figure out where the fleet came from. I've decided that I'm reorganizing my sub fleet and it primarily will become an advanced recon net. It's days of attacking his endless supply of cargo ships is coming to an end, for the most part.

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: rustysi

I'll keep that in mind for the next game. Kusaie is pretty sparse. It's got a Naval Guard, level 6 forts and no build up. Port is 1(1) and Airfield is 0(3). I see what you're getting at with it. I can easily reinforce it with an SNLF or two.

Its not so much the ground forces here as it is using it as a staging area to reinforce the Marshall and Gilbert Islands. You don't have to base a large number of air units in the area when you can hop through Kusaie and the other island to its west (Ponape?). Not that you have large a large number of air groups to do so in the first place. Its all about interior lines and the flexibility to shift forces from one area to another. Ah, what do you logistics guys know anyway.[:D]

I was looking at it from the enemy point of view. As an Allied base, he can build the airfield up to level 5 then use 4E bombers to shut down the central Pacific. The Marshalls are useless forts at that point.

I understand what you're saying, but I have a different philosophy. To attempt to bypass everything to get to it makes it an isolated outpost which I can then reduce myself. Think, why don't you want to take Midway? Can't hold it is the simple reason, too isolated.

I'll go even one further, I build it up to a level 5 AF, along with a level 3 port and level 5 forts. With a reasonable garrison I could most likely defeat an isolated thrust before he could capture the island. I've in fact got one division for such counter attacks at Truk, soon to be two.

BTW I like level 5 AF's as Japan, I for one find a level 4 field too restricted as to the combination of groups that I can station at the smaller fields. So, what do I mean by that. Well for combat purposes I want the ability to station 3 fighter groups, 2 bmbr groups and some recon at my forward bases. Two fighters for sweeps, one for escort and the two bomber groups to attack his forward bases. That's about 250 engines which is what a level 5 airfield will support. Have I used it that way in my game, only once or twice, but its a potent array when I can get it to work.

I probably shouldn't, but I don't look at what my opponent can do with the place, only what I can do with it in my possession. To do otherwise is defeatist!!!![:D] The honor of the Empire is as stake.[:'(]

[ny59giants]

I’ve played DBB based games and mods for so long that I think and offer comments based on them.

Still need to get Mike S to play a game as Allies. [;)]

[Mike Solli]

I'm working on it, Michael. I've asked 3 people. Two can't right now and the 3rd hasn't responded yet. [8|]

[ny59giants]

Are you sticking to just stock or you willing to go to a DBB based game or even a mod that John and I have been doing? If you would be willing to play a DDB or a mod as Allies, I'm willing to go back to the "evil empire." [;)]

[ITAKLinus]

I have a personal view over Marshall: they are fucking hard to defend and they can become e serious threat if there is a contemproary advance on North-East PNG.

Here is the logic:
Truk is a problem for any Allied player because it's a damn stronghold and it can be supplied with relative ease.

If Allies advance in N-E PNG they threat lines of communications from the south but any JAP would be able to keep Truk supplied and defended, making it a position that holds/threat the whole area

But if Allies move from Marshall as well, they do a sort of pincher movement on Truk and they force the JAP to dilute his defences, possibly in a non-recoverable way.


It becomes harder and harder to defend Truk, especially because its rear-area (Marianna and other bases such as Woleai or Biak) goes under enemy fire/direct threat.





Personally, I feel Marshall are a not a problem if, and only if, you are able to hold the line in N-W PNG in Lae/Finshafen/etcetc area. If that area is gone, Marshall become more important.

I am trying to leave a light defence over there because of Stacking Limits (I play with SL map) and because of a general lack of free troops to deploy over there. I have roughly 8 islands defended with forts lvl = 4 and 2xNavGuards each. Plus CDs for those which have them.

But I am going damn big on other places in the map (PNG, Tulagi area and Kurili)

[Bif1961]

I wouldn't consider the adavance from the Marshalls as a Northern attack since it is considered the Central Pacific. Better to label it the Central attack with the Northern Pacific considered a Northern advance which Canorebel is using to full effect currently, read his AAR.

[dasboot1960]

I just wanted to assure you Marc is not the only one to read the whole thing, and I highly doubt he and I are the only two. This thing is a treasure trove (Thanks for the latest bunch NYGiants)

A couple pages back, I saw a reference to 'Zuiho-2' (or perhaps Shoho-2, no matter). I've got to ask. WTF? I thought only allies got rebuilds of lost ships, and I know IJ would actually have to 'build' the thing rather than just receive. Can you enlighten me please?

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: dasboot1960

I just wanted to assure you Marc is not the only one to read the whole thing, and I highly doubt he and I are the only two. This thing is a treasure trove (Thanks for the latest bunch NYGiants)

A couple pages back, I saw a reference to 'Zuiho-2' (or perhaps Shoho-2, no matter). I've got to ask. WTF? I thought only allies got rebuilds of lost ships, and I know IJ would actually have to 'build' the thing rather than just receive. Can you enlighten me please?

Glad you're enjoying it as well. Zuiho-2 is the TB unit originally attached to Zuiho. (Zuiho-1 is the Zero unit).

[dasboot1960]

Doh!

[rustysi]

Thought of something that might help you with a persistent problem you were referring to about getting supply into Burma. You know that 'Southern' HQ you've got, the Command one? If you can get into the Burmese hinterland it may draw the supply you need. Its always drawn lots of supply for me, no matter where I put it.

[ITAKLinus]

Yes it works for me as well


Now I don't have it in Burma but I used to leave it for a while just to let the supplies flow. Then, with bases full of requested supplies, I re-embarked it for Calcutta.
It's possible to do the trick and fail to achieve substantial supplies flow, though.

Moreover, the 5th Fleet is a CommandHQ if I am not wrong (I don't have the game at hand now)and you can use it for a while in Burma. You unload a lot of supplies in Rangoon, set various locations demanding supplies and then you use the CommandHQ to 'fill' bases requesting supplies.

Of course it's somehow a temporary solution because I don't take into consideration to leave the CommandHQ permanently there. I feel you can go on for a long time even demanding just a dozen thousands supplies for each important location. I have 9k but my Burma is desert a part from garrisons