All things Football (soccer) related

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy




If you played the game with a hoop or a circle of two dimensions-then *that* is round. A 'ball', as you describe it is spheroid. It's only 'round' if you don't give it a third dimension. IMO, that would make a boring game-or at least one very different than 'football' is considered.

I'd just as soon not have Warspite1 ask me to play 'hoop' with him. [:'(]

So are you saying that a sphere isn't round? I thought that 'round' was in the very definition of a sphere. What is the sphere then? Rectangular?

A sphere is no more 'round' than a cube is square, my fine Swedish friend. If one elects to omit the observation / measurement of a dimension (e.g., look at it from the side and omit any perception of depth) then it appears 'round' or 'circular'.

It is sad, really, that doctors, while quite intelligent, doesn't grasp even the simplest concepts of mathematics, nor physics.

It is fortunate that you are not a biologist since their understanding of mathematics is even more limited.

A sphere is a perfectly round geometrical object in three-dimensional space that is the surface of a completely round ball.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: Zorch

Meanwhile, at London Stadium, a game of Rounders was played. The Yankees defeated the Red Sox 17-13. Outs were declared, but no extra points were allowed.
(That oughta confuse them Limeys)

[&:]

Say what? Words seem to have lost their meaning to me. I do understand most of the individual words but their meaning in this sentence is beyond me.

And Limey? Is that some kind of exotic fruit?

[:(]

Yes, a Limey is like an exotic fruit, except that it's not a fruit and not exotic.

[Chickenboy]

So, I spent some time reading up on my use of the terms 'round', 'ball', 'sphere' and 'circular'. I admit error in conflating the use of 'round' and 'circular'. It turns out that Orm's definition is correct. Namely, that "A sphere is a perfectly round geometrical object in three dimensional space that is the surface of a completely round ball." Mea culpa.

But further delving into mathematical / physical parlance has made me realize that the use of the term 'ball' in 'soccer ball' is incorrect or at least informal.

In mathematics, a ball is the space bounded by a sphere. It may be a closed ball (including the boundary points that constitute the sphere) or an open ball (excluding them).

These concepts are defined not only in three-dimensional Euclidean space but also for lower and higher dimensions, and for metric spaces in general. A ball or hyperball in n dimensions is called an n-ball and is bounded by an (n − 1)-sphere. Thus, for example, a ball in the Euclidean plane is the same thing as a disk, the area bounded by a circle. In Euclidean 3-space, a ball is taken to be the volume bounded by a 2-dimensional sphere. In a one-dimensional space, a ball is a line segment.

In other contexts, such as in Euclidean geometry and informal use, sphere is sometimes used to mean ball.

Furthermore, a soccer ball is not a completely round spheroid. Apparently, the particularly round soccer balls are problematic in the play of the game. See the controversy associated with the 2010 Adidas Jabulani ball:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adidas_Jabulani

So, ad hominem attacks aside, Orm was right. And wrong. His aforementioned definition of sphere (first paragraph above) was correct in the strictest application of the terms. But the vernacular use of 'ball' to refer to the object with which the game of soccer (or 'football' if you prefer) is less correct and bordering on the familiar. So if we're going to stick strictly to correct definitions, perhaps we could agree to call it a 'semi-rounded, hollow, superficially grooved spheroid'?

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: Zorch

Meanwhile, at London Stadium, a game of Rounders was played. The Yankees defeated the Red Sox 17-13. Outs were declared, but no extra points were allowed.
(That oughta confuse them Limeys)

[&:]

Say what? Words seem to have lost their meaning to me. I do understand most of the individual words but their meaning in this sentence is beyond me.

And Limey? Is that some kind of exotic fruit?

[:(]

Yes, a Limey is like an exotic fruit, except that it's not a fruit and not exotic.

Well, some of them are. Fruits that is.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

So, I spent some time reading up on my use of the terms 'round', 'ball', 'sphere' and 'circular'. I admit error in conflating the use of 'round' and 'circular'. It turns out that Orm's definition is correct. Namely, that "A sphere is a perfectly round geometrical object in three dimensional space that is the surface of a completely round ball." Mea culpa.

But further delving into mathematical / physical parlance has made me realize that the use of the term 'ball' in 'soccer ball' is incorrect or at least informal.

In mathematics, a ball is the space bounded by a sphere. It may be a closed ball (including the boundary points that constitute the sphere) or an open ball (excluding them).

These concepts are defined not only in three-dimensional Euclidean space but also for lower and higher dimensions, and for metric spaces in general. A ball or hyperball in n dimensions is called an n-ball and is bounded by an (n − 1)-sphere. Thus, for example, a ball in the Euclidean plane is the same thing as a disk, the area bounded by a circle. In Euclidean 3-space, a ball is taken to be the volume bounded by a 2-dimensional sphere. In a one-dimensional space, a ball is a line segment.

In other contexts, such as in Euclidean geometry and informal use, sphere is sometimes used to mean ball.

Furthermore, a soccer ball is not a completely round spheroid. Apparently, the particularly round soccer balls are problematic in the play of the game. See the controversy associated with the 2010 Adidas Jabulani ball:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adidas_Jabulani

So, ad hominem attacks aside, Orm was right. And wrong. His aforementioned definition of sphere (first paragraph above) was correct in the strictest application of the terms. But the vernacular use of 'ball' to refer to the object with which the game of soccer (or 'football' if you prefer) is less correct and bordering on the familiar. So if we're going to stick strictly to correct definitions, perhaps we could agree to call it a 'semi-rounded, hollow, superficially grooved spheroid'?

Why not play with a cube?

[Chickenboy]

Wow! Congratulations to the women of TEAM USA again! Job well done against the UK squad today 2-1. Now they advance to the finals. [8D]

Hopefully for a grudge match against the Swedes. If they can get by Netherlands. [X(]

[RangerJoe]

Limeys are English/British sailors.

Cousin Jacks are English/Cornish hard rock miners. (No, not minors!)

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Wow! Congratulations to the women of TEAM USA again! Job well done against the UK squad today 2-1. Now they advance to the finals. [8D]

Hopefully for a grudge match against the Swedes. If they can get by Netherlands. [X(]

Yes I was sad to see England lose. I was really banking on them saving us. Hopefully the U.S. loses in the final so we don't have to put up with their arrogant mouths.

[DD696]

Agreed. I am rooting for any team that can put an end to the snit that emits from their mouths. Never watched soccer before, but watched the french and english matches in the hopes they would be wailing in defeat.

[Chickenboy]

Haters gonna hate. Sorry to see you not make the finals Sweden. Congratulations on your 3rd place finish. From what I understand your match with the Netherlands was a real snoozer though. [>:]

Anyways, let's finish this up. GO TEAM USA!!!

[Chickenboy]

Congratulations to TEAM USA for a well-deserved and dominant FIFA World Cup championship! [&o]

[DD696]

And I salute the best teams, who lost. I also apologize for a team who doesn't represent the values of the United States of America. If this so called "TEAM USA" did, well, I cannot speak of that.....

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: DD696

I also apologize for a team who doesn't represent the values of the United States of America.

Aye. Arrogance abounds.

[GaryChildress]

Hurray!!! Awesome job, ladies! [&o]

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: DD696

I also apologize for a team who doesn't represent the values of the United States of America.

Aye. Arrogance abounds.

Excuse me, but who are you to say what 'the values of the United States of America' are? Please keep politics off this forum. Thank you.

[JWW]

I was cheering for Netherlands. Meanwhile CONCACAF Gold Cup finals, Mexico-USA, scoreless at halftime. Soldier Field, Chicago. I'm cheering for the USA.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: DD696

And I salute the best teams, who lost. I also apologize for a team who doesn't represent the values of the United States of America. If this so called "TEAM USA" did, well, I cannot speak of that.....

What a sour and dour outlook. I suppose that all other teams' communiques both on and off the field were paragons of virtue? That the 'best' performers out there were the losers? That the opponents' celebrations of their victories or goals were just right but ours were so vile and hideous as to be beneath contempt? Ridiculous piffle.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: DD696

I also apologize for a team who doesn't represent the values of the United States of America.

Aye. Arrogance abounds.

Aye. To assume the high ground in matters where such an arrogant, haughty and holier-than-thou attitude is neither required nor merited is arrogant indeed. Your team(s) lost. Get over it.

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

ORIGINAL: Lobster

ORIGINAL: DD696

I also apologize for a team who doesn't represent the values of the United States of America.

Aye. Arrogance abounds.

Excuse me, but who are you to say what 'the values of the United States of America' are? Please keep politics off this forum. Thank you.

Hear hear.

[JWW]

Mexico 1, USA 0, CONCACAF Gold Cup. Congratulations, Mexico.