The Power of Inexperience / GreyJoy(A)-Rader(J)

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: paullus99

Wow, now that's an idea - especially since he's probably flirting with that limit, having pulled just about everything else out to be everywhere at once on the map.....

Time for another JFB Home Rule .. No Allied Attacks in Manchuria! [:D]

Wow .. one could ground bomb units to get the area under 8000 AV if it were close ...B-29's at 10K feet taking one unit out at a time ...[;)]

[Cribtop]

Speaking of Russia, can you imagine how pissed Papa Joe Stalin would be about this IRL?

"Yes, we have great thanks to Amerikanskis for liberating our brothers in Sakhalin Island and Kuriles. We look forward to massive Lend-Lease supplies through Sea of Okhotsk."

Later, behind closed doors: "Beria, we are screwed! How did this happen? Now the Yankee Imperialists can blockade Siberia, take Manchuria and ensure defeat for the Chinese Communists! Who needs to be shot?! It better be a long list or your name will be on it!"

Seriously, wouldn't he be forced to immediately invade Manchuria, ready or not, to try to preserve the communist situation in China? What implications would this have for Operation Bagration, the prolonging of Nazi Germany, and the final line on which the Iron Curtain would descend (it moves East, I imagine)?

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Speaking of Russia, can you imagine how pissed Papa Joe Stalin would be about this IRL?

"Yes, we have great thanks to Amerikanskis for liberating our brothers in Sakhalin Island and Kuriles. We look forward to massive Lend-Lease supplies through Sea of Okhotsk."

Later, behind closed doors: "Beria, we are screwed! How did this happen? Now the Yankee Imperialists can blockade Siberia, take Manchuria and ensure defeat for the Chinese Communists! Who needs to be shot?! It better be a long list or your name will be on it!"

Seriously, wouldn't he be forced to immediately invade Manchuria, ready or not, to try to preserve the communist situation in China? What implications would this have for Operation Bagration, the prolonging of Nazi Germany, and the final line on which the Iron Curtain would descend (it moves East, I imagine)?

Its worse then this IMHO..something many JFB's who balk on US bombers in Manchira do not understand or do not want to understand. Uncle Joe is very worried about being seen as an equal in the upcoming conferences balanced with survival. If the IJ threaten survival Uncle Joe is a lot more amiable to US Intervention .. once that was not in question, then the latter became paramount. The need to show the USSR is just as powerful and thus is an equal in negoitations. You highlight this with your post. Now parity in up coming deals to divide the world is paramount. The Russians would come screaming across the border in droves ...

This is still very doable as suggested in this thread by forcing the reduction of forces [;)] Heck, just 100 old Britsh bombers in an open hex in Burma game reduced 2 IJ divisions 50% in a mere 3 weeks in my game -- armored units were the first to be reduced ... I cannot imagine what 300 B-29's would do ...

EDIT: My Russian will not properly display .. so I deleted it ..

[Cribtop]

So is it fair to say that GreyJoy has defeated Imperial Japan and saved Eastern Europe and China for democracy? Not bad for a shrubbery with an aversion to razors!

[GreyJoy]

A great idea! But somehow i see it as forcing the game engine into something isn't designed to be.
I don't wanna exploit anything, nor abuse of Rader.
Now for sure the game has taken a bad path for my opponent and, even if my ultimate goal is to crush him and win the match, i wanna keep the game running at somehow "fair" terms.
It's a game after all and both of us are playing to have fun. I have enough good cards to be played that there's no need of looking for a tricky (and possibly "gamey") solution...or however a solution that may make Rader feeling abused.
 
Unfortunately tonight i'll skip the usual 7:00 P.M. (GMT) turn cause my GF is coming here to seek for peace after a week of no-chatting...[:o]...so there will probably be only one turn tonight...and i cannot tell her that i never thought about her for a whole week because i had to invade Okkaido...she won't understand, you know [:D]
 
 

[JohnDillworth]

Speaking of Russia, can you imagine how pissed Papa Joe Stalin would be about this IRL?

"Yes, we have great thanks to Amerikanskis for liberating our brothers in Sakhalin Island and Kuriles. We look forward to massive Lend-Lease supplies through Sea of Okhotsk."

Later, behind closed doors: "Beria, we are screwed! How did this happen? Now the Yankee Imperialists can blockade Siberia, take Manchuria and ensure defeat for the Chinese Communists! Who needs to be shot?! It better be a long list or your name will be on it!"

Seriously, wouldn't he be forced to immediately invade Manchuria, ready or not, to try to preserve the communist situation in China? What implications would this have for Operation Bagration, the prolonging of Nazi Germany, and the final line on which the Iron Curtain would descend (it moves East, I imagine)?

Ring, Ring......
Hello
Franklin?
yes?
This is Joe
Errrrrrrrr, Joe.......Hows the kids?
Franklin, You told me you had no troops for a cross channel invasion in 43. You do that lame-asss Italy thing and now this? Whats up with that?
Well Joe.......we were going to tell you but General GJ.....Well you know how he can be about operational security. Look, how about I make it up to to you? A convoy of tanks? What do you mean out tanks suck? Panthers? Tigers? That big? Are you sure? with an 88mm gun? I had no idea. How about trucks? You like the trucks no?
Hello? Hello?

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Yep Rader has fought an excellent campaign. Total command of industry, resources and production. I think he just got caught napping here. (Well, dead drunk in the gutter more than napping [;)]) But we are all capable of this kind of error. He underestimated his opponent. But he is not the only one following this thread who did. Including me. Victory disease.....

I agree. [:)]

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

...you know...i must confess that i really feel satisfied...Even if the game is far from being won i'm proud of my learning curve and, even if pride is a capital sin, i confess i'm proud of what i have achieved so far

You should feel very proud, GJ!

[Cribtop]

GreyJoy,

First, you have pulled off the coup of AE's history to date, a little pride is in order. [&o]

Second, your unfailing graciousness to Rader throughout is a sign of character. I think I will nominate you as an honorary Southern Gentleman. That's a big deal around these parts, ask CR.

Third, do read Nemo's Downfall AAR. He was able to use sheer numbers to force several US Divisions to surrender despite the firepower differential. I think the situation here is different and that you've got it sewn up, but a useful read for you nonetheless.

[vettim89]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

GreyJoy,

First, you have pulled off the coup of AE's history to date, a little pride is in order. [&o]

Second, your unfailing graciousness to Rader throughout is a sign of character. I think I will nominate you as an honorary Southern Gentleman. That's a big deal around these parts, ask CR.

Third, do read Nemo's Downfall AAR. He was able to use sheer numbers to force several US Divisions to surrender despite the firepower differential. I think the situation here is different and that you've got it sewn up, but a useful read for you nonetheless.

Agree on points 1 & 2. Nemo was not playing Downfall, he was playing Armageddon which is not the same. Still, don't get caught up into Allied "Victory Disease" seems to be a good bit of advice at this point

[Encircled]

Superb read and game, Greyjoy

Superb

[GreyJoy]

Ok guys...orders given.
 
Our CVs will move closer to Toyohama, in order to provide some LRCAP over there.
450 USAAF and USN bombers will hit Toyohama and Onnekotan Jiima, while 3 BBs will hit Keito-Jima
We have finally almost finished the unload process of all our supplies...soon our ships will be ready to move out.
3 more fighter squadrons arrived from Attu.
Our tanks are proceeding their march towards Sasebo, while are still ready to abosrb the sudden deliver of his first air fist...sooner or later it will come. CAP has been optimized, covering every altitude at every base. I have fighters at 100, 1000, 8000, 13k, 16k, 20k, 26k, 31k and 36k.
Night fighters are still too few but i have to live with it...
We are also getting ready to reinforce Okkaido and our invasion force is getting ready for Toyohama...i just need to close those damned eastern islands first so to have not to guard my right flank.
Overall 120k japs are now isolated in eastern Kuriles...if you consider those troops isolated or destroyed in southern solomons i think we have till now eliminated more than 250k jap fighting troops from the overall equation...not bad!
 
 

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Speaking of Russia, can you imagine how pissed Papa Joe Stalin would be about this IRL?

"Yes, we have great thanks to Amerikanskis for liberating our brothers in Sakhalin Island and Kuriles. We look forward to massive Lend-Lease supplies through Sea of Okhotsk."

Later, behind closed doors: "Beria, we are screwed! How did this happen? Now the Yankee Imperialists can blockade Siberia, take Manchuria and ensure defeat for the Chinese Communists! Who needs to be shot?! It better be a long list or your name will be on it!"

Seriously, wouldn't he be forced to immediately invade Manchuria, ready or not, to try to preserve the communist situation in China? What implications would this have for Operation Bagration, the prolonging of Nazi Germany, and the final line on which the Iron Curtain would descend (it moves East, I imagine)?

Its worse then this IMHO..something many JFB's who balk on US bombers in Manchira do not understand or do not want to understand. Uncle Joe is very worried about being seen as an equal in the upcoming conferences balanced with survival. If the IJ threaten survival Uncle Joe is a lot more amiable to US Intervention .. once that was not in question, then the latter became paramount. The need to show the USSR is just as powerful and thus is an equal in negoitations. You highlight this with your post. Now parity in up coming deals to divide the world is paramount. The Russians would come screaming across the border in droves ...

This is still very doable as suggested in this thread by forcing the reduction of forces [;)] Heck, just 100 old Britsh bombers in an open hex in Burma game reduced 2 IJ divisions 50% in a mere 3 weeks in my game -- armored units were the first to be reduced ... I cannot imagine what 300 B-29's would do ...

EDIT: My Russian will not properly display .. so I deleted it ..

Fun to try, but why bother? The target is Japanese industry. Why waste B29s bombing infantry when factories are in range? GJ has it right. The first target is the factories that can make modern fighters. Then just start laying waste to whatever pleases him. It might take some time but I can's fathom how this game is not over.

Besides, I suspect Rader can rail units out of China into Manchuko faster than GJ can knock them out.

[GreyJoy]

April 3, 4 1944

Slow BBs are really a waste of iron. 2 times out of 3 they don't bomb as they are supposed to.... [:o]
So the BBs didn't do their job, but our bombers are starting to show what they can do....
We plastered a couple of bases in eastern Kuriles and Toyahama...

One of our sub sunk an E Class near Tokyo....



Sub attack near Iwaki at 118,62

Japanese Ships
E No.20, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
E No.22

Allied Ships
SS Flying Fish


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A couple of night air attacks with the moon growing... but that was all by Rader's side for this turn...
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Night Air attack on TF, near Uruppu-jima at 130,52

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y1 Frances x 6



Allied aircraft
P-70 Havoc x 7


Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y1 Frances: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Vitorlock



Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P1Y1 Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
418th NFS with P-70 Havoc (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Raid is overhead

Some CAP have air radar



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Morning Air attack on Karafuto Mixed Brigade, at 124,46 (Toyohara)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 3
F4U-1A Corsair x 73
F6F-3 Hellcat x 34
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 44
PV-1 Ventura x 109


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
231 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


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Morning Air attack on 77th Division, at 124,46 (Toyohara)

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 11
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 5
F4U-1A Corsair x 22
F6F-3 Hellcat x 46
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 11
PV-1 Ventura x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 33
B-25D1 Mitchell x 53
B-25G Mitchell x 51
B-25H Mitchell x 19
B-26 Marauder x 12
B-26B Marauder x 3
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 10


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled



Airbase hits 24
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 103

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Morning Air attack on Toyohara , at 124,46

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes


Allied aircraft
Mosquito FB.VI x 3
B-25G Mitchell x 6
B-25H Mitchell x 7
B-26B Marauder x 9
F6F-3 Hellcat x 34


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

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Morning Air attack on Onnekotan-jima , at 136,48

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 112


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled



Airbase hits 41
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 175

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Afternoon Air attack on 77th Division, at 124,46 (Toyohara)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes


Allied aircraft
Corsair II x 5
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 10
FM-2 Wildcat x 7
F4U-1 Corsair x 11
F4U-1A Corsair x 35
F6F-3 Hellcat x 81
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 21
SBD-5 Dauntless x 80


Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


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Afternoon Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft
Mosquito FB.VI x 3
Spitfire VIII x 9
P-38J Lightning x 3
P-39D Airacobra x 5
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 13
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 3
FM-1 Wildcat x 7
FM-2 Wildcat x 33
F4U-1A Corsair x 5
F6F-3 Hellcat x 54
TBF-1 Avenger x 99
TBM-1C Avenger x 5


Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 32

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Afternoon Air attack on Ketoi-jima , at 134,50

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 55 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes


Allied aircraft
P-40N5 Warhawk x 17
P-40N26 Warhawk x 10
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 11
F6F-3 Hellcat x 10
TBF-1 Avenger x 22
TBM-1C Avenger x 7


No Allied losses



Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

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[GreyJoy]

April 5, 6 1944

Japan has abbandoned Sapporo and retreated in the wood hex near Hakkodake. Now we are ready to take controll of 90% of Okkaido. This will give us several 9 lvl bases and a good port (Sapporo) in the northern side.

Tomorrow we'll try our first limited strategic offensive. 100 B24Js will attack the Shidens production industries at Sentai (10 hexes from Bihoro). 40 P-47s will sweep and 40 Corsairs will escort. Let's see how we perform.

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[GreyJoy]

On the 8th of April we'll start to load the Amphib TF that will invade Toyohara. Landing time estimated for April 12th 1944.
The invasion force will be composed by the 5th Amphib Corp HQ, the 4th USMC Div, the 33rd Div, 1 Cbt Eng Rgt, 2 Artillery units and a Tank Bn. I think more than enough to overcome a reinforced Jap Bde badly distrupted. Base forces and support units will follow as soon as the base is ours.
The 5th Amphib HQ will then be moved to Okkaido, in order to reinforce the garrisons there

[GreyJoy]

Finally this turn, after a leader change, my old BBs managed to bomb Ketoi-Jima. We will keep those island suppressed with bombers and naval bombings untill we're able to invade and so securing our right flank once for good.
The situation in Okkaido looks as good as it could be. CD guns, Engineers and infantry regiments will be placed in every port hex we have conquered, while more 9 lvl AFs will be built.
Okkaido now has 900,000 supplies and more are on their way from Uruppu Jiima.
 
On the west coast a new Convoys is assembling, bringing more engineers, base forces and some 400,000 supplies.
1 CV, 2 CVLs and 2 CVEs are ready to give a change to 2 of my CVs that still need to take their 10/43 upgrades.
As soon as Toyahama is conquered our CVs will be free to escort back to the west coast a good portion of our transport fleet.
 
Rader seems more worried about putting his fighters in defence of his HIs rather then committing in some offensive missions against my shippings....
 
Still no sign of the KB....