Extreme Challenge Demonstration Game

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North sector Turn 16.

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South sector Turn 17.

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North sector Turn 17.

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South sector Turn 18.

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North sector Turn 18.

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South sector Turn 19.

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North sector Turn 19.

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South sector Turn 20.

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North sector Turn 20.

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After Turn 20 the battle is pretty much over.

All of the points-per-turn victory hexes have been recaptured by the end of Turn 20, and the next 12 turns are basically spent in mop-up and securing the perimeters around the victory hexes.

Compare the situation on Turn 20 with the situation on Turn 32. They are almost identical.

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South sector Turn 32.

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North sector Turn 32.

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I lost one tank (a Pz IVc) and 46 men, and eliminated over 300 Polish units (including 33 AFVs and 2385 men).

This concludes this demonstration battle.

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Final comment.

The core I chose was not particularly good. I deliberately chose a rather ordinary core for demonstration purposes. But if you believe that my choice of troop quality 69 gave me an overwhelming advantage (although I assure you that it did not), then I have a suggestion.

Pick any troop quality you want (the game allows you to pick from 30 to 120), set up a battle according to the German Long Campaign Extreme Challenge rules, and see if you can do better.

[Riun T]

Correction,not unstopable but definately capable of dominating the poles for firepower,weight utilization of heavy tanks that the poles didn't have in 39,and speed,, your cavalry will run circles around theirs and the spec squads will fight like elite sharpshooting steamrollers,,,, reread the manual bud? AGAIN, I'm not saying any of this to piss u off, I'm just amazed that with my real military background with active service in croatia in86,and a year and a 1/2 in somalia in 93 so I've had to be under the command of some pretty important Sir's that would never indorse this tactic and useage and YES I play this game like I really fought, Gunny always says I play too good of a modern combined force for the games abilities, and I've always dumbed down the ways and the things of real dramatic battle because I'm tryin to save my little pixulated buddies butts SO I just wanna watch and compare what your doin and will defineately be critiqueing adding or blasting some of the pros and cons the we'll all see on your DAR and I'm gonna post and screen shot some of the latest fighting my ruskie camp in progress, but its not as interesting as yours cause I'm only playing this one with the AI advantage on and hard/X2 settings historical on C&C off, and a couple of secs added to messages, but I'll post results anyway to give u an idea of what this graduate of 4 years of royal roads military collage has done, later  

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Riun T,

Here is what you wrote two days ago:
"ADDENDM: upon doing the math for your engagement rules A: not being allowed to move or return fire from your initial point of deploy till until the enemy gains your paralell vic hexes, or B: 50% of the total turns for the battle are exhausted??? IF ITS A DELAY AND YOU HAVE NOTHING AROUND THE FRONT VH'S and flags are on a points per turn basis, theres really no way to win!!! who actually completed a full long campaign playing like this???? You really must post screen shots for this whopper of a brag vhauser cause I just can't believe it [8|]"

You said I could not win. You said I was making a whopper of a brag. You said you could not believe it.

Then, when I change my core from troop quality 65 to troop quality 69, you said that I gave myself an overwhelming advantage and that I couldn't lose. First you say that I cannot win and that I am bragging, and then you basically call me a cheater and gave myself an overwhelming advantage by changing from 65 to 69.

Look at my final score. I lost 1 tank and 46 men at troop quality 69.
How many tanks and men would I lose at troop quality 65?
Would I lose 20 tanks and 690 men at troop quality 65? Is that what you think?
Would it be impossible for me to win at all using troop quality 65?
That seems to be what you are saying.
Then you also say my core was unfair because I had 3 platoons (9 units) of special operations, even though I didn't use them to infiltrate, and because I had five platoons (20 units) of light cavalry (even though light cavalry is only armed with a rifle and a few grenades). 29 units out of 110 units.
If you looked at the screen shots of the game, you will see that I only used the light cavalry for recon and screening my advance and guarding the perimeter around victory hexes. Look at the north sector of that map. It is all forest! What did you want me to use to advance into that heavily wooded terrain?!
If you looked at the screen shots of the game you will see that I only used the special ops units defensively to hold a line. They were not used to infiltrate or overrun or overwhelm anybody. The units that did most all the killing were the Pz 38t and Pz IVc and the Pz Ib and the armored cars.
The 29 units of special operations and light cavalry maybe killed 50 Polish units (out of more than 300 total killed). Hell, even my 10 halftracks killed more units than the special operations and light cavalry.

I'll say it again. If you think I played unfairly, then give yourself whatever advantages you want (give yourself whatever troop quality you want and buy whatever unfair units you want) and set up a battle just like the one I fought and show me for yourself instead of calling me an unfair player without backing up your words on the battlefield.

I don't like being called an unfair player by somebody who isn't willing to back up his words on the battlefield. If you think what I did is so easy, then prove it to me. Show me how easy it is.

[Riun T]

whether its the national charicteristics,troop quality,superior marksmanship,or the vastly infearior armour that the poles had,or the rarity turned off, and the fact that u use smoke like the shield we all know it is because the AI won't shoot threw it,or that the AI isn't smart enough to put a support ammo dump right in the midst of its ARRTY,,,I'm not saying at all that your cheating,, maybe just stacking a little more than the AI can handle in the dark,with heavy Mk.IVc's behind an undepleatable 81mm mortar provided smoke blanket that I'm posting the manual referance for DELAY with my core and enemy assets for u to look at, AGAIN I'M not calling u unfair or anything I'd just be lacking if I didn't point out these observations while your on forum and don't intend to get u all defensive or bent outta shape I'm just asking AGAIN,,, what is the ratings turned off for two battles beginnings and that # for troop quality doin for you for all your efforts to tell us its irrelivant????

[Alby]

as Flounder said in Animal House....

"oh boy, is this grrreat"
[:D]

[Riun T]

heres what I could find in the manual and how would you interporate the victory conditions????ISN"T a DELAY played with the EXITING VICTORY?????

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Riun T,

In this country there is a term for what you are doing.

In this country what you are doing is called "kibitzing".

A kibitzer looks over a person's shoulder (while that person is doing something) and makes opinionated comments that tend to be disruptive and obnoxious.

Kibitzers are all talk and no action. They serve no useful purpose. They demonstrate extremely unsportsmanlike behavior.

I'm tired of your kibitzing. I'm tired of your unsportsmanlike behavior.

The fact is that I can play SPWAW using a variety of play styles and tactical doctrines.

Evidently, you only have one play style and only one tactical doctrine.

Your one play style is to talk a lot and do nothing. Your one tactical doctrine is to make challenges but answer no challenge yourself.

I've already answered one of your challenges. You have answered none of mine.

I went into this in good faith (and for your benefit by the way) and in the spirit of good sportsmanship. And what did I get for my time and effort? All I got from you was your unsportsmanlike kibitizing.

Until you answer one of my challenges with actions instead of empty words, then you will get nothing further from me.