When does Singapore usually fall?

[rroberson]

Oh I know. Its been my experience that the forces available in stock were overkill at singapore. With CHS, underkill. My game with Worr is CHS...I went light in Malaya in an attempt to take out DEI faster...failed. failed. failed.



Its going to be a short game.

[Crimguy]

OK how 'bout Rangoon.  Any point as the US trying to make a stand there?  Is the Fortress Rangoon a possibility or, a dim fantasy, like you-know-who's Fortress Stalingrad?

I'm in mid-February 42 against the AI and have been building up there.  Now that Singapore has fallen I expect 150k troops to march on up (I don't think they have any transports left for the job).

[tsimmonds]

Rangoon is a Roach Motel. Defenders can check in, but they won't check out. [;)]

BTW, it's the same death trap for either side. Just MHO.

[Nemo121]

rroberson,
 
Better go in light into Phillipines or DEI than Malaysia. Malaysia is just too important to Phase II operations to take a chance.

[DSwain]

ORIGINAL: Crimguy

OK how 'bout Rangoon.  Any point as the US trying to make a stand there?  Is the Fortress Rangoon a possibility or, a dim fantasy, like you-know-who's Fortress Stalingrad?

I'm in mid-February 42 against the AI and have been building up there.  Now that Singapore has fallen I expect 150k troops to march on up (I don't think they have any transports left for the job).

I just tried that option - Rangoon as Tobruk, in a PBEM that I'm playing. 18th British Division there, supporting brigades and arty; level 5 fortifications. After one day of attacks from a determined Japanese opponent, I saw that it was a non-starter; managed to land/sea evacuate before I lost 'em all.

[LargeSlowTarget]

ORIGINAL: The Dude

I think I can hold indefinitly.  I usually concentrate troops up at Alor Star and turn it into the Asian Gustav Line.  What always gets me is that once Kuantan falls the Japs can outflank my defenses and then i have to fall back and Malacca and Johore can never hold.  By the time my troops get to Singapore they are ineffective.

The game I am currently playing though The US 24th, 25th, 27th and Americal Divs are holding Mersing and the 2 Mar Div and 7th Armd Bde are holding Malacca keeping the Japs from sweeping around my Alor Star Front.  Its May and I think Singapore is going to hold

WTF? In my games, the Jap Div landing at Kota Baru always manages to reach Johore within a week, although I rush all available Brigades in southern Malaya to the hex west of Kuantan, trying to stall its advance - no such luck. The Alor Star units thus have to retreat FAST or be cut-off. Singapore under siege by 21st of December at the latest. How can you hold the right flank long enough to get US troops to Malaya? Scary! (*Mental notice: don't accept PBEM challenge from The Dude*)

[DSwain]

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

ORIGINAL: The Dude

I think I can hold indefinitly.  I usually concentrate troops up at Alor Star and turn it into the Asian Gustav Line.  What always gets me is that once Kuantan falls the Japs can outflank my defenses and then i have to fall back and Malacca and Johore can never hold.  By the time my troops get to Singapore they are ineffective.

The game I am currently playing though The US 24th, 25th, 27th and Americal Divs are holding Mersing and the 2 Mar Div and 7th Armd Bde are holding Malacca keeping the Japs from sweeping around my Alor Star Front.  Its May and I think Singapore is going to hold

WTF? In my games, the Jap Div landing at Kota Baru always manages to reach Johore within a week, although I rush all available Brigades in southern Malaya to the hex west of Kuantan, trying to stall its advance - no such luck. The Alor Star units thus have to retreat FAST or be cut-off. Singapore under siege by 21st of December at the latest. How can you hold the right flank long enough to get US troops to Malaya? Scary! (*Mental notice: don't accept PBEM challenge from The Dude*)

That is mind-boggling! Shipping five US divisions to Malaya in 1941/42? How on earth do you get them through, for starters? There isn't some sort of C-17 heavy-lift mod that I'm missing, is there?!

[Andy Mac]

I assume its an AI game ?

In my experience it all depends on the main Japanese landing site.

Assuming a normal quasi historical opening with KB hitting PH and mini KB operating around PI and normal landing forces ascribed to Malayan Attack

Khota Baru landing

Mid to End January is normal

Kuantan

Mid January

Mersing

Early January

Singapore

Early December

Johore Bahru (as a player I really dont like allowing this option as its just too devastating with no real allied counter anything that enters the Malacca straight I am more or less uncomfortable with until Singapore is a least invested)

Mid December

No Landing just overland from North - this one I also hate but cannot think of a single valid reason to ban it the thought of all those escorts and amphibs going somewhere else is seriously scary [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]- this one especially married to a feint landing somewhere on the East Coast really messes with allied players minds as they often start to run back to Singapore to avoid being flanked when the Japanese dont actually have the strength to achieve it freeing up multiple Jap Divs to take Java or Timor or NZ or Northern Aus

Early February

Andy