What is your favorite WWII plane?

[robpost3]

Top Speed, 200m altitude (measured to nearest 5kph):

Fighter WEP top speed Non-WEP top speed WEP power boost percent
Fw190a4 575kph 560kph 8%
P38 565kph 520kph 24%
Spit9 545kph 545kph 2%
P39 540kph 510kph 10%
Bf109F4 530kph 505kph 9%
H81 495kph 480kph 3%
Bf109E4 495kph 475kph 5%
Spit1 485kph 470kph 3%
Spit5 480kph 470kph 3%
H75 465kph 430kph 15%
Bf110C 450kph 435kph 6%
D520 460kph 445kph 8%
Hurri2 445kph 435kph 3%
Hurri1 400kph 395kph 3%

This table is in order of top possible sustained speed on the deck. The Fw190 is the fastest, followed closely by the P38. The Spitfire Mk IX, despite it's huge power reserve, is 30kph slower than the Fw190a4. The slowest fighter is the Hurricane Mk 1.

In general, the British fighters get minimal boost from WEP (at 200m). The American imports to the French have the highest WEP boost (except for the H81), while the D520 is middle-of-the-road. The Axis fighters generally do 8-10%, except for the E model 109. WEP boost will vary with altitude, with WEP boost typically falling off shortly before the engine reaches it's critical altitude for the current supercharger setting.

[Ursa MAior]

mdiehl
You are pathetic. Dont answer me ignore is on.

[mdiehl]

You are pathetic. Dont answer me ignore is on.

Excellent. Now say: "For the love of God, Montressor!"

[robpost3]

got to talking to =edge= about WEP on line and he encouraged me to post up
what we talked about, because it does not seem to be all that "common"
knowledge.

The best time to use WEP is for power and not for speed, if indeed you want
to use it wisely. With low power settings it will give you the most delta. I
would suggest anything below corner speed.

The analogy I use is pedaling a bicycle and pumping your legs with your arms
as you ride no hands. Up a hill this can really give you the extra boost to
get you over the hump. But straight and level and going fast you do very
little. Unless you really need the extra 5-8ias in level flight best stay
off it and save it for when you get slow and need to climb, or get fast
again.
( I do not take credit for the above post...just sharing knowledge-RP)

[robpost3]

marauders nice p38 pic

[mdiehl]

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[UndercoverNotChickenSalad]

mdealio u 1deot !!
 
game, set, match [8D]

[Ursa MAior]

Undercover
 
Please leave him be. It is not the first time he has done this. The War in the pacific forums are full with his amok running. He has done this many times in his " crusade against the false axis propaganda" if ther were any.

[.50Kerry]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

Undercover

Please leave him be. It is not the first time he has done this. The War in the pacific forums are full with his amok running. He has done this many times in his " crusade against the false axis propaganda" if ther were any.

There is plenty of Axis Fanboihood going on. The Tiger had mettalurgical deficiency issues that made it LESS effective as time went on, that is engineering reality not fanboi factoid. To hear mitten fan tell it we only won the war because we were too stupid to lose and all the Germans ran out of gas on the same day.....

*whiffle*

[Ursa MAior]

fanboyism and outright false propaganda are two different things.

As it is with disagrreing and hate. [;)]

[mdiehl]

Thx Chickensalad. Always do my best to please! [;)]

[chris0827]

Franz Schall shot down 10 P-51, 1 P-47, 1 B-24, 2 B-17, and 3 lancasters with a Me-262. Kurt Welter shot down 27 mosquitos and 2 four engined . 40 German pilots shot down 5 or more planes with the Me-262. It was hardly crap.

[mdiehl]

Those numbers are based on German-accorded "confirmed kills" not Allied unit loss records. Actual numbers of Allied a.c. downed probably don't exceed 1/3 of those, judging by the few instances where "confirmed kill" dates and combat areas can be aligned with USAAF unit mission logs.

IIRC best estimates place the actual number of allied a.c. downed (all types) by 262s in the 100-150 range.

[.50Kerry]

ORIGINAL: chris0827

Franz Schall shot down 10 P-51, 1 P-47, 1 B-24, 2 B-17, and 3 lancasters with a Me-262. Kurt Welter shot down 27 mosquitos and 2 four engined . 40 German pilots shot down 5 or more planes with the Me-262. It was hardly crap.

It was not crap, but it had a very narrow envelope.....

Chuck Yeager summed it up best....

[Speedysteve]

Why oh why does this kind of discussion occur guys?

Why can't it be that the recognised qualities of an individual plane or tank be taken by all sides?

Most who know from these forums would say i'm not a fanboy either way. I post the pros and cons of the 262 and then get mdiehl saying well the speed of the 262 was a double-edged sword. In my original post I said that. I list the known pros and cons of the 262 and still someone tries to find a quibble with it..........sheesh.

To say anything is CRAP is wrong. I would say every combat plane of WW2 had it's USE and NICHE IN COMBAT (whether it be ground attack, bomber attack, ship attack, fighter attack). Some planes had MUCH bigger 'niches' than others making them much better planes. Surely it's a grading thing. It's not like a Zero never downed a Corsair etc but the stats prove a lot more Zero's were downed by Corsair's. There are always other mitigating circumstances in combat - experience, numbers, situation, mind set etc but still each weapaon of war has it's virtues and it's pro's and con's

I am in a rare ranting mood tonight and this kind of thing is pisisng me off now. Fanboys and BS rhetoric. Sherman is crap. Tiger is crap. A6M2 is crap. F4F is crap, Bismark is alive....[8|]

[Rainerle]

Back in the days of the old BTR forum there was this story of an italian biplane shooting down a P-51; must see if I can find it ! [:D]

favorite planes:

Ta-152H - did you see that nose !!!
Do-335A - why build with 1 engine when you can have 2

[ezzler]

Well said...

except of course the Breda 88 really was crap[;)]

[Doggie]

ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior

Undercover

Please leave him be. It is not the first time he has done this.

Yep, I hear he makes a fool of you on a regular basis. Not surpising seeing as how Rune, Sven, and M'deilh actually know what they're talking about while you haven't a clue.

[Twotribes]

Besides the P-51, I also like the P-39. It looks good to me and was eventually a very good ground attack aircraft.

As to Bombers I like the looks of the B-17. For axis I like the looks of the ME110 ( though wasnt it technically a fighter-bomber?)

Really dont care which is "best" since the question asked was "what is your FAVORITE" WW2 Aircraft. I dont play flying games and seldom have games that used detailed combat and preformance information about aircraft ( most of the ones I have played tend to abstract to some degree air and naval forces) So cant really argue about "best".

[String]

ORIGINAL: Paul Vebber

SOme stats please comparing the Me262 to say a P-51, or even a La-7 (whose pilot shot down an Me-262 "because he tried to turn with me").

Me-262, like many early jets - got one chance in combat and realied on surprise or formation flying to ensure the adversary did not maneuer to avoid. But if it was such a good fighter, again, why did its doctrine stress NEVER getting into a dogfight with other fighters?

It was certainly a "cool" plane - and very fast, but was sort of the Mig-25 of its era - everyone thought it was far superior than it actually turned out being...

But wasn't "Going straight and fast and not dogfighting" the very essence of energy fighters such as P-47? How is it any different from those planes? Again and again you hear "Maneuver bad, Energy good!" when P-47 is compared to more agile fighters. And the P-47 wasn't one of the greatest accelerating planes either. And yes, I agree that Me262 was an interceptor, not an air superiority fighter. As an interceptor its speed and firepower made it excellent for bomber killing. Getting away with it and landing in the enviorment of late 44/45 was the difficult thing.