Resource Types

[Shannon V. OKeets]

4th and last in the series.

I had to trim Canada from this screen shot. I had really wanted to include Calgary and its resource.

Now it is time to get back to code.

[marcuswatney]

Pre-war was there really a railway bridge across the Niagara Falls?

[Mziln]

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

Pre-war was there really a railway bridge across the Niagara Falls?

Niagara Falls RAILROADS ~ a history

[marcuswatney]

South Africa: South Africa is famous for diamonds and gold.  Diamonds are mined in both areas marked with a resource symbol, but gold is only mined near the northern one (near Pretoria).  From its location, it would seem likely that the southern resource is supposed to represent the Kimberley diamond mine.
 
Rather than have both resource hexes labelled 'diamonds', I suggest the north be 'gold' and the south be 'diamonds'.  This would mean deleting Premier Mine (which anyway is 40km east of Pretoria).

[marcuswatney]

Steve, could all maps go in the maps thread please, and this thread be reserved for resources?
 
It would be very helpful if the maps were reorganised into their appropriate threads.  South Africa seems to have ended up in the America thread!  And I am still looking for a recent Central Africa...

[Norman42]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

All of Patrice's references to hex numbers seemed like a good excuse to show some updated screen shots of the USA map.

The hex numbers aren't shown here, but there is usually some geographical reference close to the resource icons.

The NE, including the Great Lakes.

First time post, long time (has it really been 4 years?) reader of this forum, and 20 year WiF player. Great work on everything involved in MWiF so far, I've been waiting for this game for...well, 20 years.

With regards to the 'showing the resources' issue, I think it is a bit of information overkill since the information is irrelevant to gameplay. I think it should only be shown on a hex fly-out data panel or something, or *only* visible at zoom 8 (if someone cares enough to wonder about the resource present they can zoom in for data).

Having lived in Canada for some time, I can throw out some information on the various resources.


1. Thetford - Mainly known for its huge Asbestos mines, this region also has extensive dairy and livestock farming.

2. Sudbury - One of the worlds largest Nickel mines is in Sudbury (The city sign is a massive 11 ton model of our favorite 5-cent coin, hence its nickname Nickel City) and during WW2 it supplied nearly 30% of all of Britain's Nickel needs.

3. Resource near Fort William - My former hometown so I know it well. It is now known as Thunder Bay, formerly the twin cities of Fort William and Port Arthur. It was mentioned in the north america map thread as a potential N.A. additional city. In my opinion it really should be a city, over 100000pop in the combined twin cities(85k official plus well over 20000 in temporary labor workers and overseas shippers during the war) in the 40s, and the center of industry and transport(major rail yards and junctions) between Winnipeg and Toronto. It was both the main export port for 75% of ALL Canadian grain, with the 3 largest grain elevators in the world from 1933 til 1965, that went to Europe(via the St Lawrence Seaway), and it was also the source of 30% of all paper mill products and lumber used by the west during the war (5 large paper/lumber mills including the 2 largest in the world in 1943). In addition, 220 Hawker Hurricaines and 300+ Douglas and Curtiss torpedo and dive bombers were built there on license in the Canadian Car Foundry. As the major transportation crossroads, the main military armory of the area, and the hub of all North Ontario commerce I think it rates a city in an area of Canada on map that is supply starved currently. The resource to the northwest of Fort William would represent extensive lumber operations and possibly the Atikokan Iron/Copper mines. One last nitpick. Fort William should be one hex east (on the coast of Lake Superior, where the rail line bends up north eastwards).

4. Pembroke - Some lumber operations and magnesium mines in this region. Really, this resource should be moved 1hex east and 1 hex northeast, to Mont Laurier on the rail spur heading northwest of Montreal. This is the Noranda-Val D'Or region, which are Canada's largest mines of Copper, Zinc, and Gold. By far Noranda (Mont Laurent) exceeds Pembroke as a resource site, as it is one of the largest mining complexes in the world.

5. Western Canada resource - This would represent an amalgamation of all of Alberta's Livestock, Grain, and Oil production. As these sites were spread out across the province no single location is any better.

.

[Mziln]

Has it really been 4 years? LOL this forum had a birthday just 2 days ago and no one noticed.



Yup this forum is 4 years old.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

Steve, could all maps go in the maps thread please, and this thread be reserved for resources?

It would be very helpful if the maps were reorganised into their appropriate threads.  South Africa seems to have ended up in the America thread!  And I am still looking for a recent Central Africa...

Reorganizing posts and threads I assume to be virtually impossible, or too time consuming for the benefit gained.

But I will try to exert a little more self-discipline (I can't guarantee that however).

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Norman42

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

All of Patrice's references to hex numbers seemed like a good excuse to show some updated screen shots of the USA map.

The hex numbers aren't shown here, but there is usually some geographical reference close to the resource icons.

The NE, including the Great Lakes.

First time post, long time (has it really been 4 years?) reader of this forum, and 20 year WiF player. Great work on everything involved in MWiF so far, I've been waiting for this game for...well, 20 years.

With regards to the 'showing the resources' issue, I think it is a bit of information overkill since the information is irrelevant to gameplay. I think it should only be shown on a hex fly-out data panel or something, or *only* visible at zoom 8 (if someone cares enough to wonder about the resource present they can zoom in for data).

Having lived in Canada for some time, I can throw out some information on the various resources.


1. Thetford - Mainly known for its huge Asbestos mines, this region also has extensive dairy and livestock farming.

2. Sudbury - One of the worlds largest Nickel mines is in Sudbury (The city sign is a massive 11 ton model of our favorite 5-cent coin, hence its nickname Nickel City) and during WW2 it supplied nearly 30% of all of Britain's Nickel needs.

3. Resource near Fort William - My former hometown so I know it well. It is now known as Thunder Bay, formerly the twin cities of Fort William and Port Arthur. It was mentioned in the north america map thread as a potential N.A. additional city. In my opinion it really should be a city, over 100000pop in the combined twin cities(85k official plus well over 20000 in temporary labor workers and overseas shippers during the war) in the 40s, and the center of industry and transport(major rail yards and junctions) between Winnipeg and Toronto. It was both the main export port for 75% of ALL Canadian grain, with the 3 largest grain elevators in the world from 1933 til 1965, that went to Europe(via the St Lawrence Seaway), and it was also the source of 30% of all paper mill products and lumber used by the west during the war (5 large paper/lumber mills including the 2 largest in the world in 1943). In addition, 220 Hawker Hurricaines and 300+ Douglas and Curtiss torpedo and dive bombers were built there on license in the Canadian Car Foundry. As the major transportation crossroads, the main military armory of the area, and the hub of all North Ontario commerce I think it rates a city in an area of Canada on map that is supply starved currently. The resource to the northwest of Fort William would represent extensive lumber operations and possibly the Atikokan Iron/Copper mines. One last nitpick. Fort William should be one hex east (on the coast of Lake Superior, where the rail line bends up north eastwards).

4. Pembroke - Some lumber operations and magnesium mines in this region. Really, this resource should be moved 1hex east and 1 hex northeast, to Mont Laurier on the rail spur heading northwest of Montreal. This is the Noranda-Val D'Or region, which are Canada's largest mines of Copper, Zinc, and Gold. By far Noranda (Mont Laurent) exceeds Pembroke as a resource site, as it is one of the largest mining complexes in the world.

5. Western Canada resource - This would represent an amalgamation of all of Alberta's Livestock, Grain, and Oil production. As these sites were spread out across the province no single location is any better.

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Welcome, and thanks. I expect Patrice will take immediate advantage of the information you provided.

[marcuswatney]

The results of tonight's work:
 
For accuracy, each of British Guyana's and Dutch Guyana's resource hexes should be moved one hex eastwards along the coast.
 
Ndola copper 13%
Algeria coal
Belgian Congo diamonds 63%!
Brazil bauxite (move to 2N Sao Paulo)
 
Chile: I cannot find anything near Arica in extreme north.  Chile produced 18% of the world's copper from three big fields, so recommend move Arica resource to 1NE Antofagusta and label all three resources 'copper'.
 
China 78,146 (if moved to Tsingkow, which should be renamed Haichow) phosphates
Cuba manganese 2% (no, cigars are not a war materiel, unless you are a Former Naval Person)
Peru antimony 3%
South Africa 148,56 gold
South Africa 155,53 diamonds
 
I am leaving USA and Canada to others as I know little of their economies.
 

[Shannon V. OKeets]

Northeastern resource in Pennsylvania (next to the A) is coal. The mountain hex in West Virginia is coal too. Pittsburgh is iron, but I am not sure if both of them are iron.

[YohanTM2]

Please do not clutter the map with any notes on the type of resource as it has zero impact on game function and frankly the map is going to be very busy anyway.

If you have to list the type of resource for whatever reason please use a flyover or have the player click on the resource. I'm sure some people mihgt like to see it the first game or two but after that it will just be clutter.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Patrice, I am not sure why you chose to label Charlestown West Virginia.

Because it is the capital of the State.
I placed all States' capitals on the map, as well as some other famous cities.
Charlestown is both, famous and a capital of State.

[Norman42]

Some Soviet resources:

Karaganda USSR = Coal Fields
Kerch USSR = Iron Ore
Kursk USSR = Iron Ore/Phosphates
Magnitogorsk USSR = (surprise) Iron Ore
Stalinsk USSR = Coal Fields

Some Balkans:

Greece = Bauxite(Aluminim)
Bulgaria = Lead/Zinc
Forest Yugoslavia = Copper
Mountain Yugoslavia = Chromium
Hungary = Bauxite(Aluminum)
Turkey = Chromium (both resources, though the eastern one really should be 2 hexes further east)



I dont have the above map coordinates on my maps so can't help on the un-named clear hex ones in USSR.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Patrice, I am not sure why you chose to label Charlestown West Virginia.

Because it is the capital of the State.
I placed all States' capitals on the map, as well as some other famous cities.
Charlestown is both, famous and a capital of State.

Ok. I figured that out.

But the famous Charlestown is in South Carolina.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Norman42


Some Soviet resources:

Karaganda USSR = Coal Fields
Kerch USSR = Iron Ore
Kursk USSR = Iron Ore/Phosphates
Magnitogorsk USSR = (surprise) Iron Ore
Stalinsk USSR = Coal Fields

Some Balkans:

Greece = Bauxite(Aluminim)
Bulgaria = Lead/Zinc
Forest Yugoslavia = Copper
Mountain Yugoslavia = Chromium
Hungary = Bauxite(Aluminum)
Turkey = Chromium (both resources, though the eastern one really should be 2 hexes further east)



I dont have the above map coordinates on my maps so can't help on the un-named clear hex ones in USSR.

I'll try to find time to do a couple of screen shots of teh USSR tomorrow.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

South Africa: South Africa is famous for diamonds and gold.  Diamonds are mined in both areas marked with a resource symbol, but gold is only mined near the northern one (near Pretoria).  From its location, it would seem likely that the southern resource is supposed to represent the Kimberley diamond mine.

Well, Kimberley is east / northwest of Bloemfontein (on the rail junction south of the hex written "Vaal"), so it can't be it either.
The southern resource is placed southwest of Bloemfontein, in the vicinity of Colesberg, which is northeast of Middleburg, Middleburg wich is on the rail junction east of the words "Cape colony". Problem is, there seem to be nothing in this area warranting a RP. Maybe we should move the southern resource to Kimberley ? Or 1 hex eastwards, toward the coal fields shown on the attached map ? Preferably the latter, as I prefer stay minimalistic with changes, and I'd prefer keep the RP south of Bloemfontein (as on the WiF FE original maps).

Rather than have both resource hexes labelled 'diamonds', I suggest the north be 'gold' and the south be 'diamonds'.  This would mean deleting Premier Mine (which anyway is 40km east of Pretoria).

I agree the Premier Mine is placed wrongly. But from the attached map, it seems that the Gold mines are in the Pretoria hex or in the Johannesburg hex.
As the original resource is placed north of the Pretoria city icon (in the same hex), on the railway that heads north, and as I want to keep minimalistic changes from the original CWiF map, I would not change the place of this resource, but I would say that it represents the northern coal fields.

What do you think ?

Attached map is from 1979.

[warspite1]

I agree with Yohan. These maps are a work of art and there is a danger that they will become too cluttered - certainly in North West Europe. As a compromise I like the idea of being able to examine the resource by clicking on the hex though. If this is the route taken please use the full name or an agreed abbreviation but not abbreviations from the periodic table which are not always intuitive and so will need a good memory or a chemistry degree to remember - Sn = Tin?!?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Norman42
With regards to the 'showing the resources' issue, I think it is a bit of information overkill since the information is irrelevant to gameplay. I think it should only be shown on a hex fly-out data panel or something, or *only* visible at zoom 8 (if someone cares enough to wonder about the resource present they can zoom in for data).

Well, that's a good idea.
Why not have those informations writen in a "special font size" (for example size 1), and have some code that would say : all text defined in size 1 don't appear on the map, but instead appear in a fly-out after the mouse has been hovering the hex for 1 second ?

And also : Why not having the text that appears on the map in a given hex (any text, be it a river name or a city name), also appear in a fly-out too after the mouse hover the given hex for 1 second ? Then, texts written in size 1 (as a "special font size" as defined above) would also appear in a fly-out.

The text in the fly out would be written in a standard font size.
If there are multiple texts in the hex, then all appear one below the other.

Also, this could be turned off as a game interface option.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Norman42
1. Thetford - Mainly known for its huge Asbestos mines, this region also has extensive dairy and livestock farming.

2. Sudbury - One of the worlds largest Nickel mines is in Sudbury (The city sign is a massive 11 ton model of our favorite 5-cent coin, hence its nickname Nickel City) and during WW2 it supplied nearly 30% of all of Britain's Nickel needs.

So we are OK with these two.

3. Resource near Fort William - My former hometown so I know it well. It is now known as Thunder Bay, formerly the twin cities of Fort William and Port Arthur. It was mentioned in the north america map thread as a potential N.A. additional city. In my opinion it really should be a city, over 100000pop in the combined twin cities(85k official plus well over 20000 in temporary labor workers and overseas shippers during the war) in the 40s, and the center of industry and transport(major rail yards and junctions) between Winnipeg and Toronto.

Fort William has 26k inhabitants in 1935 (31k in 1944) and Port Arthur has 20k inhabitants in 1935 and 24k in 1944, this does not warrant a city. I agree that Sudbury with its 32k inhabitants in 1944 do not warrant a city either, but this one was added to keep the supply level reflected by the WiF FE original map North of Lake Huron.

It was both the main export port for 75% of ALL Canadian grain, with the 3 largest grain elevators in the world from 1933 til 1965, that went to Europe(via the St Lawrence Seaway), and it was also the source of 30% of all paper mill products and lumber used by the west during the war (5 large paper/lumber mills including the 2 largest in the world in 1943). In addition, 220 Hawker Hurricaines and 300+ Douglas and Curtiss torpedo and dive bombers were built there on license in the Canadian Car Foundry. As the major transportation crossroads, the main military armory of the area, and the hub of all North Ontario commerce I think it rates a city in an area of Canada on map that is supply starved currently.

Yes, but it is supply starved on the WiF FE America map too, so for consistency reasons, it has to be the same level of supply IMO on the MWiF map.

The resource to the northwest of Fort William would represent extensive lumber operations and possibly the Atikokan Iron/Copper mines.

If I tell you that originaly the resource on the WiF FE maps was on the railway junction from Fort William and Winnipeg, what do you think it could be ? Still lumber ?

One last nitpick. Fort William should be one hex east (on the coast of Lake Superior, where the rail line bends up north eastwards).

Done. It was its hex position though but I had the name shifted so that it was not written on the lake. I've shifted is so that the first letter of the name is placed to the right of the place (as for all non city nor ports place names).

4. Pembroke - Some lumber operations and magnesium mines in this region. Really, this resource should be moved 1hex east and 1 hex northeast, to Mont Laurier on the rail spur heading northwest of Montreal. This is the Noranda-Val D'Or region, which are Canada's largest mines of Copper, Zinc, and Gold. By far Noranda (Mont Laurent) exceeds Pembroke as a resource site, as it is one of the largest mining complexes in the world.

Well, Noranda / Rouyn is not around Mont Laurier, it is on the Quebec-Cochrane railway (on a southward spur), I'd say 2 hexes east of Cochrane. At least on my 1944 Collier Atlas map. I agree though that it is a Copper Mine.
Before moving this resource in Noranda, I would like to know something : Originaly (on the WiF FE maps), this "Prembroke" resource is placed 1 hex west of Ottawa, 1 hex northeast of Toronto. Do you see what it could be ? If you see nothing, I might move it to Noranda, but this is quite far away from the original position.

5. Western Canada resource - This would represent an amalgamation of all of Alberta's Livestock, Grain, and Oil production. As these sites were spread out across the province no single location is any better.

OK, so no specific type of resource. Say it is "Mixed".