CIV IV is evil!!!!!!

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Civ I was a wargame. If you made it to space you were damn lucky cause the AI was pretty relentless. You played the ole exploit of using a spy to steal a technology just before attacking a city so you could steal yet another technology. lol
 
Civ II was a toning down of the aggressive AI, but, not too much and opened more avenues of victory besides conquer the world or race to space, although it still pretty much was a wargame as well. Civ II also brought the animated council members that really set it above all the rest in humor and fun just to watch them bicker amongst themselves over what was most important.
 
Civ III opened up more trading options with the AI, the AI became passive even more and of course there were more options for victory, but, a lot of extra clicking if you played with more than the initial screen of AI players. You'd have to take one out of the picture circle and put another one in and continue to do so for all that weren't on the initial page of the diplomacy screen, this was annoying to say the least. It introduced the General unit where you could attach 3 other units to it and create a stack that could fight as a group instead of singular combat that was the norm for previous Civ versions. Spies were eleminated and diplomats as well. Zones of control were eliminated (two features I hated to see leave) no longer could you build a front of diplomats to prevent to AI from getting to some of your cities before you could retaliate.
 
Then along comes Civ IV that brings back a bit of all of the versions into one game except for the Council members (cry). There are so many options you can setup the type of game you enjoy from small and fast to epic/huge and 900+ turns. A plethora of victory conditions you can set and a more detailed battle engine that one could create HUGE stacks of armies (not just 3 like in Civ III) and go warring with the other tribes. The AI could be set to several aggression settings as well as the barbarian raiders. Fast settling was toned down quite a bit and made harder so that ole exploit of creating 30+ cities was taken out of the game because the cost and upkeep of them went up with each and everyone you built (though this could be changed back to the old way with a bit of mucking with the XML files). That is the other thing about Civ IV is that the XML files are so easy to use and understand that you can now make CIV IV into the type of game you want to play so easily like my mod which the first 500 turns are in the ancient period and technology advancements very slow. (no tanks in BC period thank god) lol Civ IV also made it where if you got the technology researched all of a sudden you got the resource for it somewhere in your area of control (didn't like this feature much preferred the way it was in CIV III where sometimes you just had to fight for it or go take it) The implementing of religion was fun an enjoyable as well. CIV IV just offers so much and if it had animated talking council members it would be #1 as far as I'm concerned because it can be the "wargame", the "space race", "a diplomacy game", "a culture game" and "a conquer the world game" so much better than all the rest. I'd say it's the best lil "strategy game construction set" out there right now. ;)
WE/I WANT 1:1 or something even 1:2 death animations in the KOIOS PANZER COMMAND SERIES don't forget Erik! ;) and Floating Paratroopers We grew up with Minor, Marginal and Decisive victories why rock the boat with Marginal, Decisive and Legendary?


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We all want to like civ IV, or we DO like civ IV because it was a well produced game. Otherwise we wouldn't be talkin about it. I just wanted more innovation in its 4th rendition I suppose. And I believe its pretty much running out of material like a long running sitcom. But Ravinhood, you are rekindling my interest as I bought this game imediatly on its release. Perhaps with some modding, and the patches, and all that stuff on the Apollonian (or whatever its called) boards, it might be worth having another look.
 
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Play against 12-14 AI opponents with random personalities on a PANGEA temperate world at EPIC size and you should have yourself a fine challenging game....if you last long enough hehe. I play on PRINCE difficulty and have a hard time on that one with 12-14 AI opponents. ;) Oh and if you want more difficulty on PRINCE level just go into OPTIONS and set the AI's to AGGRESSIVE. ;) See how long you can last. lol
WE/I WANT 1:1 or something even 1:2 death animations in the KOIOS PANZER COMMAND SERIES don't forget Erik! ;) and Floating Paratroopers We grew up with Minor, Marginal and Decisive victories why rock the boat with Marginal, Decisive and Legendary?


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I bought Civ 4 a few months ago. I wanted to see why it was such a popular game-I never had any of the earlier versions. After going through the tutorials and a few hours of game play, I put it on the back burner. I will try it again, when I have some time to burn-maybe in a couple of years. It struck me as overly repetitive. I doubt that I will ever miss sleep over that game.
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I've been wondering, how do you adjust the number of AI civs in a game of Civ 4?
 
I'd also love to be able to change the city border colors. Some are just too hard to see.
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It's during the setup Adam when you are selecting the difficulty and your tribe you just OPEN more slots in the list (The bigger the map the more tribes you can select to be AI players-scroll down to see more slots you can open). You can also add more via the XML files. Using the OPTIONS/CUSTOM menu before you start gives you a large selection of how you want the AI to play as well. Unfortunately the border colors are set to the tribes by default (I've never tried to mod this so it may not be locked this way), but, I believe you can adjust your OWN colors.

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Chess is repetitive, it's just if one wants to put the effort into it to learn it and understand it and even try to master it. The depth of Civilization series is deeper than most people give it credit for. If you really take the time to look over your civilization EVERY TURN. I've had games last 72 hours plus. But, I read about people who play it out in less than 10. You can rush it and lose a lot of the fun and value that it has in it of course. You can do the same with any game for that matter. But, if you take your time and really take control of your civilization there's hours an hours an hours of fun and value in it. Civilization is a great strategy game and can even be a great rpg game if you have any kind of imagination and creativity. It's really too bad you have that kind of a mindset about it since it is a classic and one of the best games of all time to ever be created. ;)
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It's during the setup Adam when you are selecting the difficulty and your tribe you just OPEN more slots in the list (The bigger the map the more tribes you can select to be AI players-scroll down to see more slots you can open).

Ahh! Thank you Ravinhood, you know I've never started a game from the custom setting screen, always just followed the prompts for a regular game!
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For me, Civ 1-3 improved with each release.  I played Civ 3 forever.  I then bought Civ IV at the same time I got WitP.  Civ IV is still waiting to be installed on my computer 15 months later.  [:D]
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And this is why CIV IV is so GREAT and what "I" have been saying about AI's since posting on these forums for years:
 
AI's should be made to WIN!
 
In CIV IV's case it has reached that happy medium with all the OPTIONS and XML files that can be modded to be a game that the AI plays to WIN and is FUN to play against as well. ALL DEVELOPERS should take a lesson from this article. ;)
WE/I WANT 1:1 or something even 1:2 death animations in the KOIOS PANZER COMMAND SERIES don't forget Erik! ;) and Floating Paratroopers We grew up with Minor, Marginal and Decisive victories why rock the boat with Marginal, Decisive and Legendary?


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And this is why CIV IV is so GREAT and what "I" have been saying about AI's since posting on these forums for years:

AI's should be made to WIN!

In CIV IV's case it has reached that happy medium with all the OPTIONS and XML files that can be modded to be a game that the AI plays to WIN and is FUN to play against as well. ALL DEVELOPERS should take a lesson from this article. ;)

Well ravinhood, I finally took the dive and installed the "Beyond the Sword" expansion that I've had since Christmas.......and played some of those massive number of AI player random worlds you seem so fond of...


After about four plays, count me among the converted...[&o]

WOW, what a freakishly tough AI! Only playing on Noble (Normal) difficulty level and I've gotten my ass handed to me every time.
This ain't your father's Civ...the AI is a beast!
No more stacking your citys with 1 or 2 defensive units and calling it good...the AI sniffs those out and comes calling with a 6 or 7 stack of its best units and goes on a rampage.

The AI also makes excellent use of terrain when deciding where to build its citys.....I have yet to conquer a single one....[:o]

Ravinhood, Firaxis should hire you as their spokesperson.[:D]
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I've always said I would make a great game consultant. ;) I tole yah the AI was tough as you wanted it to be just by using a thing called OPTIONS. ;) It stomps me as well and I'm just up to Prince level of difficulty. But, I ALWAYS play with a LOT of AI opponents. 12+ most of the time. The ai will pape you and rillage you now. ;) I also play on the Huge or Epic maps and even modded it larger like 100 x 80 and it makes for one grand epic game just trying to get to the space age alive. lol Turn on aggressive AI and just try to survive. ;) And you are so right about trying to just put a couple of defensive units into cities and hoping that's enough. lol They come like ants out of the woodwork to stomp your puny defense.
 
This is why I can't believe there are people who don't like CIV IV. It takes most all of the best out of each game and has put it into one game with an editor that is pretty simple to use and an OPTIONS menu that most people would die to have in other games. There can never be enough options/switches for players to use to make the game as challenging and fun as they want it to be. CIV IV has done that very well I think. ;)
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I agree RH, I think Civ IV is the best Civ. I have played them all, even <shudder> Call to Power. None has been as entertaining and flexible as Civ IV. I like the New World religion scenario in Warlords, some of the Epic feel of Beyond the Sword, and it doesn't get much better than the TC of Fall from Heaven 2. Such a great total conversion...

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Been playing it a lot now and I'm getting the feel of it. I have to admit, I really like it a lot. A whole lot.
After 16 years, Civ II still has me in it's clutches LOL!!!
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Have you play "Alpha Centauri" ilovestrategy? You might get hooked on it also. It gives you two ways to play it, either blind research where you choose a path but not specifics or you can choose specific research paths. You also get to design your own combat units and there's more combinations than you can shake a stick at. The AI is pretty good an aggressive as well. It was right around CIV II era so it's pretty aggressive though beatable at normal levels. I like the way the Civilization type games do things, the AI is programed sort of "If the Human is winning everyone attack him/her" lol. I wish more strategy games of empire conquering were like that.
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Have you play "Alpha Centauri"

Alpha Centauri is probably the 2nd best PC game I've ever played. It's the only game ever where I downloaded a demo and drove straight out to my shop with the thing still running on my screen!

The Alien Crossfire expansion added the perfect amount of tweakability without needing to invoke any editors. Brilliant design thinking.

IMO its an obvious candidate for Firaxis to resurrect to current PC specs. As it is I last tried it on an old P4 and the things just flew so fast it was hard to figure out what was going on.

Definitely worthy of making a comeback with hopefully not that much changed.
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It's about time Firaxis/Sid made new stuff, tired of rehashing old successes.

I want Sid to come up with something new and suprising. Maybe with Will Wright ;).
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I really wanted that space scenario in Beyond the Sword to have a neat story and Alpha Centauri "feel." Instead you just sort of tech up and kill everyone like normal. I tried to "contact earth" or unlock the mysterys that were hinted about in the flavor text, but ended up just having to ascend with little fanfare or story movement. It is still fun, just not epic like AC.

I love AC, too bad the graphics and UI are a bit dated now. I would like to see another Civ-like game with an overarching story, great flavor text, and very distinct factions like that in AC. Obviously it would need to be a novel story and setting, but it could be done. Fall from Heaven 2 comes close but is still limited by the overarching limitations of Civ IV in storytelling.

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Have you play "Alpha Centauri" ilovestrategy? You might get hooked on it also. It gives you two ways to play it, either blind research where you choose a path but not specifics or you can choose specific research paths. You also get to design your own combat units and there's more combinations than you can shake a stick at. The AI is pretty good an aggressive as well. It was right around CIV II era so it's pretty aggressive though beatable at normal levels. I like the way the Civilization type games do things, the AI is programed sort of "If the Human is winning everyone attack him/her" lol. I wish more strategy games of empire conquering were like that.


I did play Alpha Centuari, and I liked it a lot. Good game. But the problem is I'm slightly color blind and something about the color scheme made the game almost unplayable for me. [:(] I had a really hard time seeing anything. It's weird because other than the 25th Anniversary Star Trek game that was the only strategy game where color was an issue for me.

But, today is my birthday so I got to get Sins of a Solar Empire. It looks good too! Turning 41 is a high price to pay though for getting a game! [:D]
After 16 years, Civ II still has me in it's clutches LOL!!!
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY
Just got Sins of a Solar Empire and it looks good. Haven't got to play it yet as I have been mugged by my two sons who are old enough to know better. They palmed me off with Witcher and Imperium Romanum...but I'll be back.
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