Do you often lose battles?

[Hard Sarge]

sorry, been a little slack in following the line of thought running though this post

to be honest, in the game, most disorder comes from missing a formation change die roll, back in CoG, most of the times you are seeing the enemy go disordered while in contact with your troops, is due to the AI trying to change it's formation (it can happen, based on fire, but much more common due to formation changes)

during testing, the testers (some/most/what not) didn't like this, and got Eric to make a change to the system, which is why we have threat zones now, if you are not in the threat zone, you will not go disordered from missing a die roll, you just won't make the change, you fail while in the zone, you go disordered

now units with morale of 2.0 can still form a line, as long as they are not in the zone, just takes them more time to join combat, with out this system, these guys are nothing but cannon fodder

if they march up to the enemy and try to change formation, they are still going to go disordered

better trained, better morale troops, will still be better in combat, as they can march to battle and form at will

so, if you don't like the system, blame me, not Eric, as I was the most vocial about it

[Mus]

HS do you know what changes were made to the chance to disorder by fire combat?  I used to see it in COG from infantry fire attacks all the time and followup charges from mixed order upgrade.  The only time I see disorder from fire attacks in EE its the really big ones, like from artillery. And the only time Im seeing mixed order upgrade followup charges is when I fire at a unit that is already disordered, in other words I never see the fire attack cause the disorder and then an immediate followup charge.

The formation rule change doesnt really make sense as a reason for what Im seeing.

[Hard Sarge]

from what I know it is a % change, based on a morale roll, I think you had to miss a couple of rolls in a row

to be honest, I don't know how many full games of CoG I played during testing and afterward/ patches, but it was alot, and I do not really remember a massive amount of units going disordered from fire, most times it was with them in front of me, going disordered during there turn, and then my turn, I fire and charge them

(it does seem to happen much more often in FoF)

of course, going from memory, but I am suppost to be the HW expert, but...

[Hard Sarge]

I think one of the things, is Inf going to Square, it used to happen a lot more before, we have more upgrades and training to stop them from going disordered

Cav in EE is more used for forceing Squares, while in CoG, it was used for overruning the Enemy

[Mus]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

(it does seem to happen much more often in FoF)

of course, going from memory, but I am suppost to be the HW expert, but...

Maybe my FOF memories are merging with my original COG memories in that case. I need to reinstall FOF anyways and check out the new patch.

But now that I think about it... I hated the "wild" upgrade in FOF and always avoided it like the plague so I think Im remembering COG and Mixed Order.