Total War

[Mus]

ORIGINAL: IronWarrior

Really? I thought once a nation controls a country's forces, it was permanent. Do they revert back to neutral? Did that change with the patch?

I think just fleets remain under your control and land forces are removed from play. Thats what I have been observing anyways.

As far as total war is concerned, in a normal war you would have defeated Austria right around the time she surrendered to Turkey if not before.

Thats why I dont think the total war was a good move. Plus Austria is a very large target to digest while surrounded by human opponents.

[IronWarrior]

ORIGINAL: Mus
As far as total war is concerned, in a normal war you would have defeated Austria right around the time she surrendered to Turkey if not before.

Thats why I dont think the total war was a good move. Plus Austria is a very large target to digest while surrounded by human opponents.

I disagree... Austria's NM was rock bottom and would have surrendered in a turn or two. At that point I would not have really gained anything and would be facing Austria, Prussia, Sweden, and GB... possibly without Turkey.

[Mus]

ORIGINAL: IronWarrior

I disagree... Austria's NM was rock bottom and would have surrendered in a turn or two. At that point I would not have really gained anything and would be facing Austria, Prussia, Sweden, and GB... possibly without Turkey.

To some extent I believe this kind of situation shows that early surrender is too easily exploitable and that the amount of surrender points gained in situations like this isnt enough.

Its just like when you surrendered at the beginning of the game and I didnt receive enough surrender points to get anything out of it, even though me and Prussia in reality could have kept hammering you until we got acceptable concessions.

But I thought Austria won a big battle or two at the start of the war, so I think they might have actually held in longer than you think. No way to know since they werent allowed to surrender.

[IronWarrior]

ORIGINAL: Mus

I think just fleets remain under your control and land forces are removed from play. Thats what I have been observing anyways.

So if this is true, lenin would have lost the Bavarians when Turkey caused an insurrection in Bavaria. lenin, do you still have them?

[IronWarrior]

ORIGINAL: Mus


To some extent I believe this kind of situation shows that early surrender is too easily exploitable and that the amount of surrender points gained in situations like this isnt enough.

Its just like when you surrendered at the beginning of the game and I didnt receive enough surrender points to get anything out of it, even though me and Prussia in reality could have kept hammering you until we got acceptable concessions.

But I thought Austria won a big battle or two at the start of the war, so I think they might have actually held in longer than you think. No way to know since they werent allowed to surrender.

Agree with you on the early surrender. I think Austria would still have surrendered, even after the battles they had other issues going on and NM was still negatively maxed.

[lenin]

ORIGINAL: IronWarrior

ORIGINAL: lenin

I still find it amusing that the power that is 3-4 times richer than Prussia, has a larger territory, larger and better trained army, and probably twice the mobilisation limit continues to insist on calling the Prussians a "powerhouse"?

France is by no means a powerhouse in 1796 or 1792 like it is in 1803 or 1805. Being richer than Prussia? not so sure if you calculate all the subsidies from GB. Doubtful about mob limit considering Prussia has a larger army than France.

I can't say that Prussia is this game's France, because usually it's France vrs the world and Prussia is allied with everyone except France and Turkey. [:D]

To get an idea of the situation, here's the current GP standings. What would you have done? I can't say that Total War against Austria was the wrong decision at the time. [;)]

Of course, most of those GP's were gained against you, Bill[:D]
And of course, if I recall correctly, there may have been circumstances very early in the game where we might have been allied, but you chose not to go down what would have been the path of a beautiful friendship!

[IronWarrior]

ORIGINAL: lenin

Of course, most of those GP's were gained against you, Bill[:D]
And of course, if I recall correctly, there may have been circumstances very early in the game where we might have been allied, but you chose not to go down what would have been the path of a beautiful friendship!

Hehe very true, France would definately have been in a better position. [:D]

Really curious if you still have those Bavarians though, I still think the loss of the Batavians was a bug.

[terje439]

My biggest problem with a total war (espesially the one you launched on me) is that you need to
a) capture ALL provinces, WHILE
b) securing your depots, this again WHILE
c) guerillas pop up everywhere.

Still think you would have been better off with a normal war, remember that you gain 500 VP(roughly) from your extra diplomat alone. That would have given you a province or two, and I would be knocked out of the war early.

What really saved me was that with total war I do not have to pay any upkeep for my troops, in the end my reinforcement slider was set at 10.

Terje

[IronWarrior]

At which point I would currently be facing (a reformed and stronger) Austria, Prussia, Sweden, and GB.

I still think it would have been doable if:

(A) I wasn't hit with the bug that lost me the Batavian Army (and yes I think it was a bug because I never lost the Bavarians as France when Franck captured Bavaria in the first pbem)

(B) If I still had Napoleon

(C) I hadn't made mistakes in not garrisoning occupied territories

(D) Well played Austrian side by yourself [;)]

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: IronWarrior

(D) Well played Austrian side by yourself [;)]

My only option was to do as I did, run, hit, run, hit. I knew that I could get more reinforcements than you due to the fact that I paid no upkeep for my armies. And the guerillas were helpful in keeping you in the western parts of Austria as well.

Anyway enjoy your "reward" [:D]

Terje

[Mus]

Because of the fact you took Hanover from me, which kinda ticked me off, combined with the fact that Great Britain doesnt get very many of its better Generals in this scenario, I felt compelled to remove Nappy.

Also I politely requested you to not move your armies into conjunction with your fleets as a bargaining tactic or it would be looked at as a declaration of war and the Corsican Ogre did it anyways.

[barbarossa2]

Would someone post a type of summary of the strategic situation and description of the total war campaign here? The suspense is killing me. I am really curious how this has gone.

[Mus]

Check out Terjes AAR Barb. He was the one getting attacked as Austria so he should have some good screenshots and descriptions of what happened there.

Its the fat happy clean shaven Austrian one.

[IronWarrior]

ORIGINAL: Mus

Because of the fact you took Hanover from me, which kinda ticked me off, combined with the fact that Great Britain doesnt get very many of its better Generals in this scenario, I felt compelled to remove Nappy.

Also I politely requested you to not move your armies into conjunction with your fleets as a bargaining tactic or it would be looked at as a declaration of war and the Corsican Ogre did it anyways.

I'm not crying foul or anything... we didn't have any preset agreements or house rules about that, so that was fine. I'm just making sure everyone knows the whole story and that there aren't any misconceptions about total war being impossible or a bad decision, which I don't necessarily agree with. I wouldn't use it often, but in certain situations I would.

[Anthropoid]

ORIGINAL: lenin

And I don't know why everyone is obsessed with the idea I'm about to immediately win the game! We've played 5 years and I'm not even half way there yet. Now if people would stop declaring senseless wars against me, plotting to stab me in the back from the Eastern front, declare total war against their allies and neighbours or conduct provocative diplomatic missions on Prussian held territory, there would not be so many opportunities for Prussia to gain large amounts of Glory. It was such reckless adventurism that led to the position we have now.....

We have an "alliance!?" in this match!?

Holy Borscht with vodka sauce, I need to look at that next turn . . .