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OUCH! 6800? I priced a Alienware rig I wanted out at 5800 and change. That figure is making me hesitant as it is.

Do you have a link to this other vendor?

As a aside I played LOTRO for about six months. As I mentioned in posts prior to this it was a tailor made IP for RVR/PVP/ CONTENT. I played from open on, and really felt shortchanged. As a example I visited Lorien? It didnt ring bells for me, yet in the post NGE Starwars I visited Jabba the Huts haunt and I actually spent time dancing there with the few people I bumped into. IT had atmosphere.
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Curious, I gave up on DAOC, WOW, and finally Warhammer. Is there anything good you folks are playing currently? I plan on buying a Alienware rig in the next month or two and need some MMO suggestions.

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In the few minutes I break my WitE addiction I still return to WOW and Warhammer, great games. MMO's? Try Vindictus, City of Heroes going Rogue or LOTRO. I, like ilovestrategy, enjoy the pace of LOTRO.

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But how would you define "hardcore" and what is it that really differentiates the dumbed down from the 'smarted up' games?

Hardcore is a feeling of happyness which comes from overcoming challenges. In regard to video games and referring to Raph Koster's 'theory of fun' it means to figure out how something works. Once one mastered the learning curve and is able to beat a game, it becomes boring.

However, in today's titles one recognizes the patterns in no time and there is also no sense of accomplishment in beating something, a kid could do as well. Those games took away what gaming made fun.
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@ Ilovestrategy: yeah, I'm pretty sure the game is considered "dumbed down" by many. I won't buy it cause it requires Steam. But based on the copious griping and lampooning I've seen of the game over at CivFanatics, I don't think I'd be inclined to buy it anyway.

Check this out

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=405229

That is just the tip of a very VERY big iceberg of major indignation by Civ fans about many seem to regard as the travesty that is Civ 5.
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@ Ilovestrategy: yeah, I'm pretty sure the game is considered "dumbed down" by many. I won't buy it cause it requires Steam. But based on the copious griping and lampooning I've seen of the game over at CivFanatics, I don't think I'd be inclined to buy it anyway.

Check this out

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=405229

That is just the tip of a very VERY big iceberg of major indignation by Civ fans about many seem to regard as the travesty that is Civ 5.


I can't really take that as gospel. It's just like the Oblivion forums when the game first came out and forum members were taking about boycotting Bethesda because the game catered to a different fanbase than their previous game, Morrowind. I'm seeing the same thing here. Oblivion turned out to be my favorite game of the entire series.
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I'm in the boat of those who disliked Oblivion. Bethesda totally diminished the meaning of character development, by raising environment according to players level. So you could beat the game at level 1 already. On the other hand your toon never grew in strenght, regardless how many quests he solved. Morrowind wasn't complex either, but one could kill more time there, as it lacked of a fast travel system.
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But how would you define "hardcore" and what is it that really differentiates the dumbed down from the 'smarted up' games?

Ok I'll give you an example with EQ. When EQ first came out if you died you lost experience and could actually lose a level too. Certain level groups like 30 to 34 you had to gain twice as much experience (this was when the cap level was 50. I also believe from 48-52 you had another level group that took twice as much experience. Those of us who started out with EQ had to go through these grueling but prestigous levels to make it to 50. Newcomers a couple of years later got to stream through them because the level cap was raised to 60 and then only a couple of levels between 50-60 were like that, once the level cap went to 75 they even removed that.

Another thing they did was stop letting you lose a level if you lost too much experience and thus you could never lose more experience than zero of a certain level. This also after many of us spent years going through the "fear" of losing a level or many levels if you got caught in a bad spot and continued to die over and over (this usually happened in PVP spawn point camping).

Then finally the straw that broke the camels back they created a sort of a graveyard where your body went if you died. No longer was the "FEAR" there of losing ALL YOUR STUFF if you died in a really hard area and there weren't others there to help you get it out within 7 days. FEAR was one of the most fun parts of EQ. It made you play well and not like some idiot. It also made others play well (that really wanted to grief) or they wouldn't get help getting their body or stuff back. It was really a nice community for PVE back then. PVP well that's another story but usually those that got spawn point camped were azzzholes and deserved to get deleveled back to level 1. heheee

Finally SOE decided to create POP short for PLANES OF POWER which had teleporters to just about every main place in EQ. Well this place killed players who made income by porting people around the world as druids and wizards (two classes that got teleports to the main places around the world). People stopped wanting rides by 90%. I used to get 2-5 plat per ride and got lots of tips too just porting players around the world. With POP they got better teleports closer to cities than the Druid or Wizards got. So, people stopped using us for travel except to a few choice places where POP didn't port you to. POP was mainly to port to city areas but had a few ports to outlying adventure areas.

So this is the difference in what was "hardcore" play and turned it into a romper room carebear game. I quit about this time and started to play Star Wars Galaxies and you've heard what they did to it later on as well. I tried also DAOC but just couldn't get into that world or the graphics. Then EQ2 but my puter and graphics card weren't up to the power required to play it. I've since gone back and am playing the freeplay EQ2 game but it's just not as fun as EQ used to be. So, Guild Wars which has no monthly fee is the one I play most now. It's not that great, has no loot to adventure for after you get a max weapon, armor piece and offhand piece and is really another romper room carebear game now.

Too many of these games are carebear now and not enough FEAR to get players to play WELL and to play NICELY. When you have nothing to fear by the community or the game you can just become an azzz as so many have in most of these mmo worlds now. I will admit though EQ had one of the best moderated game worlds as they allowed players to become guides and monitors but eventually the riffraff got into that world and people were getting banned who hadn't really done anything bad.
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I'm in the boat of those who disliked Oblivion. Bethesda totally diminished the meaning of character development, by raising environment according to players level. So you could beat the game at level 1 already. On the other hand your toon never grew in strenght, regardless how many quests he solved. Morrowind wasn't complex either, but one could kill more time there, as it lacked of a fast travel system.

There are mods out that eliminated that everything levels with you feature. In fact there are a couple of them. Makes the game a whole lot better and you won't fun into any level 1 dragons.
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@ Ilovestrategy: yeah, I'm pretty sure the game is considered "dumbed down" by many. I won't buy it cause it requires Steam. But based on the copious griping and lampooning I've seen of the game over at CivFanatics, I don't think I'd be inclined to buy it anyway.

Check this out

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=405229

That is just the tip of a very VERY big iceberg of major indignation by Civ fans about many seem to regard as the travesty that is Civ 5.


I can't really take that as gospel. It's just like the Oblivion forums when the game first came out and forum members were taking about boycotting Bethesda because the game catered to a different fanbase than their previous game, Morrowind. I'm seeing the same thing here. Oblivion turned out to be my favorite game of the entire series.

Some aspects of Civ V were streamlined, but in a good way (at least in my opinion). And does anyone really miss things like Religion, which were never fully realized in the game to begin with?

Finally, some aspects have had depth added. You can only produce so many units with each mineral find, so no more spamming out knights for example...you might have access to enough iron and horses to make 3. You HAVE to build a more varied army now.
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And does anyone really miss things like Religion

Yes I do because it helped make alliances and friendships and kept me out of wars for a long time.
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Finally, some aspects have had depth added. You can only produce so many units with each mineral find, so no more spamming out knights for example...you might have access to enough iron and horses to make 3.

And this sucked the most about Civ V. We're already used to a certain playstyle of the series. The last thing I want to be is restricted from what I already know and how I want to play. This was the worst implementation of the entire game.
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There are mods out that eliminated that everything levels with you feature. In fact there are a couple of them. Makes the game a whole lot better and you won't fun into any level 1 dragons.

Guess these mods came too late for me. *sigh*

However, I agree with you about EQ. To understand what hardcore means, one had to accomplish a PoF break-in back in '99. [:D]
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I'm back to Star Trek Online.  

It's not a tough decision as I got a lifetime sub before release so why not.   It seems to be slowly improving but I'll hold praise of progress until after I've seen the rehash of the terrible ground combat coming in the next big update.
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one had to accomplish a PoF break-in back in '99.

Oh god yesssssss those were the days my friend those were the days.
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There are mods out that eliminated that everything levels with you feature. In fact there are a couple of them. Makes the game a whole lot better and you won't fun into any level 1 dragons.

Guess these mods came too late for me. *sigh*

However, I agree with you about EQ. To understand what hardcore means, one had to accomplish a PoF break-in back in '99. [:D]


Dying in Ultima Online and having 5 minutes to get back to your body before people could loot it. And this was on dial up. Ugh. I loved the penalty for dying in SWG. Just go to a cantina and get your morale back and have a doc erase the black mark off of your stamina?(I havent played in a while, not sure if that was the attribute with the black bar after death. Penalty wasn't too harsh or too light.

I was there in the old hardcore days. Don't miss them at all. Now I'm older and I play to RELAX. Not to play in fear. I just log on, do some quests, do some crafting, talk to friends and log off to get ready for work the next day. White knuckle playing doesn't work for me. I'm one of those carebears that people despise.

That's another reason why I love Gary Grigby's World at War. Fits right in my alley. Easy mode too.
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I'm one of those carebears that people despise.

I don't dispise them but there are too many mmo's out there now you'd think they could leave one alone for the hardcore? Typically the one that I play of course. [:)]
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Dying in Ultima Online and having 5 minutes to get back to your body before people could loot it. And this was on dial up. Ugh.

I remember corpse decay in UO was on a brief timer, but equipment didn't mean much there and was easy to obtain. Similar as in SWG or EvE. However, in EQ gear was the result of long camps and losing it had been equivalent to quit the game.
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I'm one of those carebears that people despise.

I don't dispise them but there are too many mmo's out there now you'd think they could leave one alone for the hardcore? Typically the one that I play of course. [:)]

I agree with you 100%. I honestly do see your point. There should be one for the hardcore. That's like me being sad that there are no more Ultima games like 6,7, and Serpent's Isle. I think the market just isn't there.
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How does Runescape compare with some of the other online games? It starts free, but is it any good?
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I haven't played Runescape in so many years I'm not qualified to answer that question. Sorry! [&o]
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It is a very interesting thread, and thanks Diablo for the long reply.

As a semi-outsider (I'm a gamer, but I think not nearly as serious as you true gamers) I'm reaching the conclusion based on the various forums I've interacted in over the years, that "hardcore" really means: la masochistic liking of complexity/difficulty?

I recognize this "fear" allure very well. I remember one of the first PC games I ever really got into, System Shock 2. Turn the lights down and play that game with headphones alone, and it would have you jumping out of your seat. By todays standards it proably seems lame, but it was true for that game back then anyway.

Fallout3 sort've accomplishe that too, but it still didn't feel as spooky. Oblivion doesn't feel the least bit spooky, even when you're in an Ayleid ruin.

So does it really just boil down to games becoming less challenging and more forgiving?
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