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Voice Lessons

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by davewolf
OOOOOUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Look, I've kinda taken a liking to all of you on this board, including you DaveWolf, so I'm going to give you some friendly advice about your "singing", since I used to pound around the music scene a lot.

DON'T QUIT YOUR DAY JOB UNTIL THE RECORDING CONTRACT IS SIGNED, AND YOU'VE GOTTEN A BIG ADVANCE!

If you don't heed my words Dave, you are going to be stuck your entire career, typecast, doing voice overs and such for all those nature shows.

:)
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Post by davewolf »

It's true, I'm not famous for my singing talents...


...more for my dragon killing skills...


:p
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Post by Stefdragon »

Whether you're singing or taking on the Dragon,
I hope you are practicing your "Scales".

I don't want to upset you, so I'm not going to tell you what my fur hat is made of.

:D
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Post by davewolf »

Heh?

A wolf fur hat?

Is that legal in your neighborhood?

(Enough money can buy you (almost) everything...)

You incredibly bad, bad boy, you...

;)
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Just Kidding about the hat...

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Just kidding about the hat...

:)
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I know.


Otherwise I wouldn't really find it funny. (Killing my relatives...)
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The Oder

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Originally posted by Mark_BookGuy


One should always recognize a good opponent. Then kick his butt back to the Oder.:D
Mark,

I am upset that you would recognize that I am a student of the Axis position in this game so soon into my interaction on this forum. But after reading your many posts, I am not surprised as to your insight. My first challenge will be as the Axis in the '43 scenario. Good Luck! I will fight any opponent to a stalemate!; a clear victory from an historical perspective! "May God forgive my opponents, and forget about the rest!"-Joseph Stalin?



:mad:
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Re: The Oder

Post by Mark_BookGuy »

Originally posted by Stefdragon


Mark,

I am upset that you would recognize that I am a student of the Axis position in this game so soon into my interaction on this forum. But after reading your many posts, I am not surprised as to your insight. My first challenge will be as the Axis in the '43 scenario. Good Luck! I will fight any opponent to a stalemate!; a clear victory from an historical perspective! "May God forgive my opponents, and forget about the rest!"-Joseph Stalin?



:mad:
I have a natural affinity for good old fashioned peasant stock so I lean towards the Russian side. Maybe it's that I like borscht. I'm Mexican-Irish so there's no bloodline to either the Huns or Ruskies.

On a serious note, as long discussed on other threads, I think most people with a "thing" for WWII eastern front are pro-German, due to the ready availabilty of sources, effects of the Cold War, and the really cool looking SS uniforms. I don't think the Russians get their due, or they are categorized as faceless, inhuman robots immune to emotion, pain, and suffering. Only now are folks like David Glantz producing good, reliable, English-language scholarly works on a regular basis dealing with the Russian side (with a tip of the cap to Ericson and a few others).

I don't think WIR is well balanced, although the 43 scenario is probably the best. The 41 scenario at even play is simply way out of whack. I fully admit to my own incompetence, but I just have a devil of a time against real opposition; ie, human, not AI, with me playing the Russian. Maybe it's a throwback to old Avalon Hill days, but I gotta think when I run up 100-1 odds something good is going to happen. Way too many times I've gotten massive odds only to see T-34s burning in the morning light and the Germans still sipping schnapps in the bunkers. Curse those dug-in %#%# jagdtigers!

Anyone else hate the new blue background on the matrix site? Squids and flyboys get all the breaks.

Ciao
Mark

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"Help in the '41 Scenario"

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark_BookGuy
The 41 scenario at even play is simply way out of whack.

I have seen someone else mention that on this board. I've been working my way in reverse time order through studying the scenarios, and I haven't gotten yet to the '41. What would be a reasonable "help" setting, and for what side or sides?

As to reference books relating to WIR, I have three that I use: (other than my Britannica Atlas)

1. "The German Army, 1933-1945, Its Political and Military Failure".
by Matthew Cooper. 598 pages plus dozens of B&W pictures.(Including one of two Cavalry troopers standing next to their mounts in Poland. I remember a Board Administrator looking for German Cav pics recently, and a Tank called the "Rhino", an 88
on a Pzkw IV chassis. We discussed the 88 on tank chassis a great deal in a thread called "Hannibal style WIR 3.2".)

2."The Red Army, 1918-1956", 480 pages with some B&W pics.
By none other than LIDDELL HART. (You know, the famous songwriter. He wrote "TANKS for the Memories", and that big Country hit, "Silver TREADS and Golden Needles".) At any rate Liddell actually writes a good deal about the Finnish/Russo struggles of the late '30's and WWII. I really hate to burst the bubble of the "Finnish House Rules" afficionados (I really don't)
but... I quote from the book: "The operations in the extreme North, on the other hand, were less successful. There German and Finnish forces, FIGHTING UNDER GERMAN COMMAND(my caps, remember that Leningrad had not even fallen),
advanced in separate groups against Murmansk and the Murman railway at Kandalaksha and Uhtua, but failed to capture either objective." Why, because Liddell points out, they tried it during the Summer, DUH!. The Finns couldn't maneuver on their skis for which they were famous!

3. and by far my most cherished WIR reference book...
a mere 7.5" by 9.5", 186 page book with almost no pictures ...but so jam packed with strategy, the most detailed OB stats '41-'45, equipment tables, unit org from army down to the company level,
unit description, production, campaign maps, etc. that I have ever seen in any book...for both German and Russky Armies. It's called "War In The East, The Russo German Conflict, 1941-1945" It's by the Staff of "Stategy & Tactics Magazine" and written in 1977. It is simply amazing!
In it there is some mention of the Arctic War including the most disasterous convoy in the Murmansk operation, PQ-17.
Someone on this thread mentioned that in '42 it was all British equipment and ships, however if you go to "Google" and type in "PQ-17", you will get a wealth of Arctic info and maps, including the fact that the 3/4 of all that convoy's ships that were sunk, were American. If Murmansk wasn't critical, why did the Allies put their head in the mouth of the lion over and over? Go to Google.
There's even a free download of the 1968 version of the book:
"PQ-17" by David Irving.

"I can't think of nothin' sweeter, WIR 3.3 with Arctic Theater!"
Everybody now...
"I can't think of nothin' sweeter, WIR 3.3 with Arctic Theater!"

ICEMAN
:)
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Re: Re: The Oder

Post by Montenegro »

Originally posted by Mark_BookGuy

I have a natural affinity for good old fashioned peasant stock so I lean towards the Russian side. Maybe it's that I like borscht. I'm Mexican-Irish so there's no bloodline to either the Huns or Ruskies.

On a serious note, as long discussed on other threads, I think most people with a "thing" for WWII eastern front are pro-German, due to the ready availabilty of sources, effects of the Cold War, and the really cool looking SS uniforms. I don't think the Russians get their due, or they are categorized as faceless, inhuman robots immune to emotion, pain, and suffering. Only now are folks like David Glantz producing good, reliable, English-language scholarly works on a regular basis dealing with the Russian side (with a tip of the cap to Ericson and a few others).

I don't think WIR is well balanced, although the 43 scenario is probably the best. The 41 scenario at even play is simply way out of whack. I fully admit to my own incompetence, but I just have a devil of a time against real opposition; ie, human, not AI, with me playing the Russian. Maybe it's a throwback to old Avalon Hill days, but I gotta think when I run up 100-1 odds something good is going to happen. Way too many times I've gotten massive odds only to see T-34s burning in the morning light and the Germans still sipping schnapps in the bunkers. Curse those dug-in %#%# jagdtigers!

Anyone else hate the new blue background on the matrix site? Squids and flyboys get all the breaks.

Ciao
Mark,

I agree on the Soviet lack o props observation. I think a lot of people forget that it really did come down to the Red Army in the East turning the tide of WW2. Had Soviet Russia "fallen" by any means, the Brits would have seen a garden party on their shores like none since 1066 and who knows what from there..?

As WIR goes, that '43 scenario is a challenge for German player to say the least. I am into the '42 thing now as Red because you take a licking and keep on ticking as long as Moskova don't get the ax. If I were updating this bugger, and my hats off to all the fine folks who do spend much of THEIR TIME re-designing and troubleshooting this grand game, I would definitely put a more realistic spin on German rail transport and I would try to incorporate some regional/city/command defense breaks for the Soviet side where needed (ie Kiev, and I don't mean the chicken!) in 1941. Plus, make those partisans the bloody bastardos they were. They didn't risk the Stolypin goes German occupation kneck tie for zilch.

As far as Wermacht allure, I always will admit some strange affinity to the German side of this struggle, most likely because of the total fatalism of even daring Barbarossa at all. I do think an clash btw NSDP and Communism was inevitable, though. If I may use a out of left field boxing example, Red Army was kind of like Ali and Wermacht was Foreman. That rope a dope can work against any elephant, tank or otherwise, especially when you have the skill and numbers.


Montenegro

PS Davewolf---tanks for the writing props! If only I could get paid to spew forth my incessant ramble. Who works for the History Channel anyway...???!!!???
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Re: Re: Re: The Oder

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Montenegro



"As far as Wermacht allure, I always will admit some strange affinity to the German side of this struggle, most likely because of the total fatalism of even daring Barbarossa at all."



Agreed.

:)
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