Woof ! Always wanted to have a nanny. And a nanny that was that much immersed into their personal politics would have seriously floated my boat. Hmmm, we could have had some wonderful colloquies. Where was Nemo when I was 14 ? Gosh ! And I really needed some caring and sharing to help me through those mescaline afternoons. Ah, but maybe that's not the point of their exercise.[;)]
Linda,
If you want to have a game, one of the gals on the Babes Team is willing. Jenny Nelson is pretty darn good. Girl-on-girl might make a very fun AAR thread.
Don't care what your rules are. You pick, she plays. But you really ought to be righteous and honest about this.
Send pm with your email if you are game. It will be kept confidential.
Our game
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RE: Our game
ORIGINAL: JWE
Woof ! Always wanted to have a nanny. And a nanny that was that much immersed into their personal politics would have seriously floated my boat. Hmmm, we could have had some wonderful colloquies. Where was Nemo when I was 14 ? Gosh ! And I really needed some caring and sharing to help me through those mescaline afternoons. Ah, but maybe that's not the point of their exercise.[;)]
Linda,
If you want to have a game, one of the gals on the Babes Team is willing. Jenny Nelson is pretty darn good. Girl-on-girl might make a very fun AAR thread.
Don't care what your rules are. You pick, she plays. But you really ought to be righteous and honest about this.
Send pm with your email if you are game. It will be kept confidential.
Its Helmut. He didnt even understand to change to a new e-mail address...
RE: Our game
JWE,
The point is simple. To point out a double standard in forum moderation. I find it interesting that you, like Terminus, are able to attack people who argue against such comments but don't chastise the person making racist and abusive posts.
As to personal politics.... Well, I would hope that it would be universal to oppose people engaging in bullying and racist posts and/or speech.... Why are you able to find the time to attack me but not the people making those posts? Is it that you agree with them or just that you don't care enough to say anything?
As to why I say something: Simple, I believe Niemoeller's poem touches an important truth and that it is something we should learn from...
The point is simple. To point out a double standard in forum moderation. I find it interesting that you, like Terminus, are able to attack people who argue against such comments but don't chastise the person making racist and abusive posts.
As to personal politics.... Well, I would hope that it would be universal to oppose people engaging in bullying and racist posts and/or speech.... Why are you able to find the time to attack me but not the people making those posts? Is it that you agree with them or just that you don't care enough to say anything?
As to why I say something: Simple, I believe Niemoeller's poem touches an important truth and that it is something we should learn from...
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
RE: Our game
Was talking to Linda. Gosh, there must be a lot of insecurity in the air if people have to quote pretentiously bad poetry every time they feel put upon.
Do you want to play Jenny?
Do you want to play Jenny?
RE: Our game
Thankfully the curators at Yad Vashem aren't as nekulturny as you JWE.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
RE: Our game
Tkankfully, they aren't. I've always been a bit too much of a neo-cryptic Budhist, when I wasn't an Acquinan Jesuit, for the Rabbinical Council. But my local rebe always thought that I would make a darn good jew. Go figure.ORIGINAL: Nemo121
Thankfully the curators at Yad Vashem aren't as nekulturny as you JWE.
btw, I love your sig. I know it's fake and you doctored it for your own purposes, but it's still fun. It does make people look. And once they look they do tend to ask questions and make up their own minds. Thanks for sparking their interest.
Ciao. JWE
RE: Our game
JWE, you are a liar and, if you were any sort of man you'd be ashamed of yourself for your last post.
That's the quote copied directly from the thread linked below....
Here's the link
No doctoring. I quoted what was there. Honestly, simply making things up is unfair and uncouth and marks out the level of man you are.
Again though, let me ask you the question YOU are dodging. Do you agree with his abusive comments or do you just not care about them? There is a strong double standard between your ability to make up lies about me ( for which any decent man would apologise ) and your ability to ignore bullying and abuse on the part of your colleague.
As to people asking you questions: Well if the above lies are anything to go by I have no doubts they'll get a story very favourable to the Da Babes Team members involved. It is easy to whitewash yourself when you lie.
i am tired of all you euro nazis and wish you you would all just go away or shoot yourselves or at least do something useful with your useless little PC lives.
That's the quote copied directly from the thread linked below....
Here's the link
No doctoring. I quoted what was there. Honestly, simply making things up is unfair and uncouth and marks out the level of man you are.
Again though, let me ask you the question YOU are dodging. Do you agree with his abusive comments or do you just not care about them? There is a strong double standard between your ability to make up lies about me ( for which any decent man would apologise ) and your ability to ignore bullying and abuse on the part of your colleague.
As to people asking you questions: Well if the above lies are anything to go by I have no doubts they'll get a story very favourable to the Da Babes Team members involved. It is easy to whitewash yourself when you lie.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
RE: Our game
It's nice that you've decided to self-destruct so rapidly, Nemo.
Of course, we have you to provide an example of that.It is easy to whitewash yourself when you lie.
The Reluctant Admiral mod team.
Take a look at the latest released version of the Reluctant Admiral mod:
https://sites.google.com/site/reluctantadmiral/
Take a look at the latest released version of the Reluctant Admiral mod:
https://sites.google.com/site/reluctantadmiral/
RE: Our game
JWE is probably having some sort of real-life crisis, and that spills over into extreme agression, hostility and general asshole-ness in the forum. Ive seen that happen in other forums with other long time users who were respected, but then for whatever reason decided to kamikaze their forum standing, credibility and respect into a burning wreck. Terminus also strikes me as one of those guys. Lots of real-life frustration being vented I suppose. Usually I tend to ignore it, but somewhere there is a line.
Usually there are moderators around to keep people in line, but some people are above the law when it comes to moderating. Nothing strange with that, I was one of those untouchables in another forum a long time ago. Problem is that it creates such a hostile environment and childish "sandbox mentality" which screws up any sort of productive climate for discussion. Like JWE is displaying time and time again in the scen&mod forum.
Ive been here a long time, but I havent seen such hostility since some of the more infamous 9-11 threads in the art of wargaming forum. Those of you who were there know what I mean.
Usually there are moderators around to keep people in line, but some people are above the law when it comes to moderating. Nothing strange with that, I was one of those untouchables in another forum a long time ago. Problem is that it creates such a hostile environment and childish "sandbox mentality" which screws up any sort of productive climate for discussion. Like JWE is displaying time and time again in the scen&mod forum.
Ive been here a long time, but I havent seen such hostility since some of the more infamous 9-11 threads in the art of wargaming forum. Those of you who were there know what I mean.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: Our game
FatR,
Cast your stones as you wish. Your opinion would be worth more if you hadn't publicly admitted to destroying others' games by breaching FOW. That marks your level, against which your comments are judged.
Cast your stones as you wish. Your opinion would be worth more if you hadn't publicly admitted to destroying others' games by breaching FOW. That marks your level, against which your comments are judged.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
RE: Our game
PH,
Aye, we all have real life issues and I know Terminus may just be pissed due to his real world job situation but, really, it is one thing to be annoyed, it is another thing entirely to just make stuff up which you know to be untrue... It just amazes me how people can belittle abuse and ignore it as though it is fine to see people bullied without saying anything. FatR is just jumping in to get a few kicks in. That's a separate thing which has to do with his own personal dynamics.
It appears Matrix Games doesn't wish to annoy the Da Babes Team and so is happy to allow them free rein in posting. The end result of that though will be that this forum goes the same way TakeTwo went or Battlefront went about 5 years ago. They became bywords for intolerance and that ended up hurting the company's sales as they got a very bad rep within the wargamer community online.
I think I may have to rethink my "all discussion is good" policy and rethink my general no green button stance. The weird thing is these guys would probably all spout the usual "freedom of speech" stuff when eulogising soldiers and yet in their real lives they basically piss over what those soldiers died to secure.
Anyways, it is clear nothing will be gained here. I'm just getting drawn into responding to provocations which have less and less to do with the original issue and more and more to do with just provoking me to do or say something bannable.
Aye, we all have real life issues and I know Terminus may just be pissed due to his real world job situation but, really, it is one thing to be annoyed, it is another thing entirely to just make stuff up which you know to be untrue... It just amazes me how people can belittle abuse and ignore it as though it is fine to see people bullied without saying anything. FatR is just jumping in to get a few kicks in. That's a separate thing which has to do with his own personal dynamics.
It appears Matrix Games doesn't wish to annoy the Da Babes Team and so is happy to allow them free rein in posting. The end result of that though will be that this forum goes the same way TakeTwo went or Battlefront went about 5 years ago. They became bywords for intolerance and that ended up hurting the company's sales as they got a very bad rep within the wargamer community online.
I think I may have to rethink my "all discussion is good" policy and rethink my general no green button stance. The weird thing is these guys would probably all spout the usual "freedom of speech" stuff when eulogising soldiers and yet in their real lives they basically piss over what those soldiers died to secure.
Anyways, it is clear nothing will be gained here. I'm just getting drawn into responding to provocations which have less and less to do with the original issue and more and more to do with just provoking me to do or say something bannable.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
RE: Our game
Holy cow. Think you need to start a "I hate JWE" or or "I hate Babes" or "I hate anybody who knows more than me" or "I hate anybody who' knows I'm pretentious" thread all your own self. You will get a gazillion hits. And we will get a gazillion laughs. In the meantime, all you are doing is making yourself look silly.
This is a thread for Linda. Does Linda want to play?
This is a thread for Linda. Does Linda want to play?
RE: Our game
These personal attacks are really going too far.
Please remember, this is the Opponents Wanted forum, and many people new to AE post here. Do any of you think Matrix Games wants to see an AE dev and his supporters having a pissing contest with a long-time forum contributor and his supporters in this forum?
Furthermore, IMHO, all of you are valuable contributors to AE and this forum; were any of you to be banned as a result of this thread, it would be a big loss.
So please, can all of you just walk away from this now?
Please remember, this is the Opponents Wanted forum, and many people new to AE post here. Do any of you think Matrix Games wants to see an AE dev and his supporters having a pissing contest with a long-time forum contributor and his supporters in this forum?
Furthermore, IMHO, all of you are valuable contributors to AE and this forum; were any of you to be banned as a result of this thread, it would be a big loss.
So please, can all of you just walk away from this now?
RE: Our game
JWE,
All I see in your last post is your failure to retract a clear lie. AND your failure to deal with the question I asked you.... Do you agree with what Osterhaut posted and thus don't oppose it OR do you disagree but just think it is fine to leave abuse and bullying unchallenged?
Very simple JWE,
1. Do you retract your lie? Another clear breach of forum rules by you.... not that matrixgames will do anything about it, of course.
2. Why were you silent on Osterhaut's racist, abusive bullying? Either you support it or you just don't care when people bully others.
All I see in your last post is your failure to retract a clear lie. AND your failure to deal with the question I asked you.... Do you agree with what Osterhaut posted and thus don't oppose it OR do you disagree but just think it is fine to leave abuse and bullying unchallenged?
Very simple JWE,
1. Do you retract your lie? Another clear breach of forum rules by you.... not that matrixgames will do anything about it, of course.
2. Why were you silent on Osterhaut's racist, abusive bullying? Either you support it or you just don't care when people bully others.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
RE: Our game
ckammp,
Personally I think it might serve people thinking of joining our group very well to see that people supported by matrixgames will have free rein to verbally abuse and bully them, create lies about them and never fear ANY sanction from forum moderators.
The forum is part and parcel of playing the game for a lot of AE players. If they play and say something JWE or Terminus or Osterhaut doesn't like then they are likely to be abused. If they ask the moderators to intervene they are likely to be ignored. I've had several people message me in recent days stating they don't post to the forum anymore because of attacks by JWE or Terminus or others. I think new people joining might want to take that possibility into account before joining.
If Matrixgames didn't want this to happen then ALL they had to do was apply the forum rules when a member of the DaBabes Team engaged in racism, abuse and bullying in clear breach of 2 of the 5 rules we all sign up to when registering. They didn't so I put one example in my sig. Terminus decided to kick things off in this thread. Why? Well, obviously my quoting the post bothers him more than the original post did.
Personally I find it amazing that JWE accused me of modifying a quote which can be proven not to be modified and yet still refuses to admit he either lied or made a mistake. That is a real sign of just how untouchable some of the developers feel they are in terms of feeling free to attack whoever they wish, whenever they wish. As to JWE.... Within the last 2 or 3 days I've publicly defended him when BuckBeach went too far. I'm not interested in a fight with him. I'm interested in all sides opposing bullying and abuse.
With that said I think any man who lies about someone else and doesn't apologise doesn't need me to say how low he is. His own lack of apology condemns him. We all make mistakes ( I've said things in the heat of the moment on the forum I've had to apologise for afterwards as they were uncalled for ) but good men apologise for theirs. They don't stick to the lie when it is clearly shown to be false.
Just to clarify:
This all began when they began bullying El Cid and being abusive to him. I happen to actually agree with them that he is misrepresenting his influence and the impact he had. So their basic points are reasonably valid. On the other hand you can say that reasonably or you can be abusive. They were abusing him. Someone defended him ( not me ) and Osterhaut responded with a call to all the euronazis to go and shoot themselves. I felt that this was beyond the pale and objected to that. Now, of course, as the outsider on whom the group can project their own fears and angers I'm targetted for attack - due to the same dynamics which drove the attacks on El Cid and BuckBeach.
Bottom line though, I only ever objected to the abusive manner in which they said what they said. Their underlying points were, I thought, quite valid. This thread, it seems, is what happens when you try to point out double standards.
I'm no moral guardian nor would I hold myself up as one. I've lost my temper on forums in the past many a time. I've said things which when I thought about it later I decided I should apologise for. I've made mistakes. I'm not judge, jury and executioner. I just promised myself some years ago I wouldn't be someone who stood by when an accident happened or when I saw someone being bullied. I stop at every accident I come across and if I see someone being bullied I step in. It isn't some huge morale crusade its just a promise I made to myself years ago which I try to be true to. I just wanted to explain why I've done what I've done - this time and previous times... and probably will again though it'd be much easier not to
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Personally I think it might serve people thinking of joining our group very well to see that people supported by matrixgames will have free rein to verbally abuse and bully them, create lies about them and never fear ANY sanction from forum moderators.
The forum is part and parcel of playing the game for a lot of AE players. If they play and say something JWE or Terminus or Osterhaut doesn't like then they are likely to be abused. If they ask the moderators to intervene they are likely to be ignored. I've had several people message me in recent days stating they don't post to the forum anymore because of attacks by JWE or Terminus or others. I think new people joining might want to take that possibility into account before joining.
If Matrixgames didn't want this to happen then ALL they had to do was apply the forum rules when a member of the DaBabes Team engaged in racism, abuse and bullying in clear breach of 2 of the 5 rules we all sign up to when registering. They didn't so I put one example in my sig. Terminus decided to kick things off in this thread. Why? Well, obviously my quoting the post bothers him more than the original post did.
Personally I find it amazing that JWE accused me of modifying a quote which can be proven not to be modified and yet still refuses to admit he either lied or made a mistake. That is a real sign of just how untouchable some of the developers feel they are in terms of feeling free to attack whoever they wish, whenever they wish. As to JWE.... Within the last 2 or 3 days I've publicly defended him when BuckBeach went too far. I'm not interested in a fight with him. I'm interested in all sides opposing bullying and abuse.
With that said I think any man who lies about someone else and doesn't apologise doesn't need me to say how low he is. His own lack of apology condemns him. We all make mistakes ( I've said things in the heat of the moment on the forum I've had to apologise for afterwards as they were uncalled for ) but good men apologise for theirs. They don't stick to the lie when it is clearly shown to be false.
Just to clarify:
This all began when they began bullying El Cid and being abusive to him. I happen to actually agree with them that he is misrepresenting his influence and the impact he had. So their basic points are reasonably valid. On the other hand you can say that reasonably or you can be abusive. They were abusing him. Someone defended him ( not me ) and Osterhaut responded with a call to all the euronazis to go and shoot themselves. I felt that this was beyond the pale and objected to that. Now, of course, as the outsider on whom the group can project their own fears and angers I'm targetted for attack - due to the same dynamics which drove the attacks on El Cid and BuckBeach.
Bottom line though, I only ever objected to the abusive manner in which they said what they said. Their underlying points were, I thought, quite valid. This thread, it seems, is what happens when you try to point out double standards.
I'm no moral guardian nor would I hold myself up as one. I've lost my temper on forums in the past many a time. I've said things which when I thought about it later I decided I should apologise for. I've made mistakes. I'm not judge, jury and executioner. I just promised myself some years ago I wouldn't be someone who stood by when an accident happened or when I saw someone being bullied. I stop at every accident I come across and if I see someone being bullied I step in. It isn't some huge morale crusade its just a promise I made to myself years ago which I try to be true to. I just wanted to explain why I've done what I've done - this time and previous times... and probably will again though it'd be much easier not to
. John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
RE: Our game
Oof. Hok a chainik. But then a bris is a good thing. The ladies love it. The Council wanted me to give one to Chuck Norris, but he cut the knife instead. Oy, trying to shep naches with that boy makes me plotz.
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RE: Our game
JWE,
Again all I see in your last post is no apology, no retraction of the lie and another bit of dodging a direct question.
Again all I see in your last post is no apology, no retraction of the lie and another bit of dodging a direct question.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
RE: Our game
I don't post much but I read a lot.
I would just like to echo Ckammp's comments. There is nothing to be gained and this isn't the place.
I would just like to echo Ckammp's comments. There is nothing to be gained and this isn't the place.
RE: Our game
I dont think Nemo starting a "<person> prohibited" thread a while ago helped any, but...
...especially the first. Green button.
ORIGINAL: JWE
Tkankfully, they aren't. I've always been a bit too much of a neo-cryptic Budhist, when I wasn't an Acquinan Jesuit, for the Rabbinical Council. But my local rebe always thought that I would make a darn good jew. Go figure.
btw, I love your sig. I know it's fake and you doctored it for your own purposes, but it's still fun. It does make people look. And once they look they do tend to ask questions and make up their own minds. Thanks for sparking their interest.
Ciao. JWE
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Holy cow. Think you need to start a "I hate JWE" or or "I hate Babes" or "I hate anybody who knows more than me" or "I hate anybody who' knows I'm pretentious" thread all your own self. You will get a gazillion hits. And we will get a gazillion laughs. In the meantime, all you are doing is making yourself look silly.
This is a thread for Linda. Does Linda want to play?
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Oof. Hok a chainik. But then a bris is a good thing. The ladies love it. The Council wanted me to give one to Chuck Norris, but he cut the knife instead. Oy, trying to shep naches with that boy makes me plotz.
...especially the first. Green button.
RE: Our game
Post deleted. Aplogies to all.