Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
ORIGINAL: pompack
It has also been my observation that the GFU is one of the most frequently upgraded (or at least revised) items in the TO&E with the GFU Mk. VII being the most advanced cited to date. It seems that the GFU has a tendency to become seperated during periods of high WitP stress and rapid map movement.
ORIGINAL: kmitahj
This is not so. What matters for repair process is total size of the factory (sum of active and damaged devices) which is constant over whole repair process (unless you decide to expand in the middle - not good idea usually). In fact over time the chance of success is growing slowly because the second factor - number of days till plane arrival - is getting lower day by day.ORIGINAL: Numdydar
Have you also considered that (as I've stated before) a larger factory repairs faster than a smaller factory? But the downside being that there is more to repair. There is an overlap (correlation) between the two that make larger and smaller meet somewhere in the middle. I did some testing a while back and found they end up being repaired fully around the same time... although it was a while ago and I'm foggy on it now. So while they're harder to repair, size does matter.
If there are more damaged factories, they will have a greater chance to have a one point repair simply due to the number of chances invilved as each damaged factory is rolled for seperately. The more rolls, the move likely a repair will happen. However, as the number of damaged factories approches zero, you have the same odds of getting that last point repaired as if it was a 0(1) factory. Because as far as the repair routine is concerned it is the same. I.E only one chance to repair. So the perception is that larger factories repair faster and they do to a point, but it slows down as the limit <-0.
Of course I thought I uderstood the acceleration process very well too, lol. So it would not surprise me if my understanding of the R&D factory repair system was totally wrong as well [:)]
And second as was said many times before because chance of repair depends on the FactorySize all factories repair from fully damaged to fully repaired state in about same time on average. No real reason to prefer small factories over 30 size. Of course in reality you will see large dispersion as usual for (kinda) stochastic process - some factories will finish repair and crank r&d points earlier some will lag behind expected average time. Thats live.
I think it is as it schould to be. Research must not be a low hanging fruit. One have to invest first and take his time before he got his reward [:)]
Note also that once the research process was demistifid thre is no more uncertainty in it. Using 30+ factories you can predict next month advance as well as final date of going into production basically up to a day. Only unpredictability left is now in the repair process. And unpredictability is good thing for research I dare to say.
ORIGINAL: n01487477Yeah - I was wrong in saying that. Of course planes can R&D mid-month or any time. But you need to have the points accumulating. Not just a one off factory still repairing.ORIGINAL: Numydar
Actually if a plane is one month away, it can very much so get an advance as it happened to me [:)]. I had a plane scheduled to be available in 2/43. I was waiting until later in 1/43 to change it to the next plane in squence To my surprise, half way through Jan, they start showing up in my pool. I checked and all the R&D factories had swiitched to production [X(] I was NOT a happy camper lol. Since then I have paid a MUCH closer attention to when they switch [:)] Of course it helps that Michael has color coded them to be highlighed when they are within 45 days of conversion [:D]
ORIGINAL: n01487477It might be nice to see in the Aircraft pool screen how many R&D points are currently accumulated though...
You can see it now on the mouse-over in the Industry screen as a percentage. Michael has put it in, so I'm going to put it in Tracker for the next release...
Having said that I kinda liked the mystique of not knowing
Not sure I'm fully in favour of it ... mouse over any plane and voila ...ORIGINAL: viberpol
ORIGINAL: n01487477Yeah - I was wrong in saying that. Of course planes can R&D mid-month or any time. But you need to have the points accumulating. Not just a one off factory still repairing.ORIGINAL: Numydar
Actually if a plane is one month away, it can very much so get an advance as it happened to me [:)]. I had a plane scheduled to be available in 2/43. I was waiting until later in 1/43 to change it to the next plane in squence To my surprise, half way through Jan, they start showing up in my pool. I checked and all the R&D factories had swiitched to production [X(] I was NOT a happy camper lol. Since then I have paid a MUCH closer attention to when they switch [:)] Of course it helps that Michael has color coded them to be highlighed when they are within 45 days of conversion [:D]
Numydar, actually, in some latest beta Michael introduced a clever switch to get rid of the problem of mid-month unwanted change from R&D factory into an active.
In the Industry window and R&D Air column you set "Prod" to "No", even if the frame accelerates one month and become "active", you have moreoptions.
You can still change it into the next researched (not active) frame or uncheck the production and produce it/or change like a normal active plane.
ORIGINAL: n01487477It might be nice to see in the Aircraft pool screen how many R&D points are currently accumulated though...
You can see it now on the mouse-over in the Industry screen as a percentage. Michael has put it in, so I'm going to put it in Tracker for the next release...
Having said that I kinda liked the mystique of not knowing
Erm, what? Damian, can you elaborate? Mouse over in industry screen?[&:]
I always lacked knowledge in this matter and I didn't know it was possible to get the info!
ORIGINAL: n01487477
Not sure I'm fully in favour of it ... mouse over any plane and voila ...
Numdydar, looks like you fight your battles to the very end. Respect! [:)]ORIGINAL: Numdydar
Of course given my track record in understanding how the game works is very poor, I could be just as wrong about this as R&D acceleration [:D]. But I would like to see some actual data to back up the claims that the total factory size matters versus just the damaged ones.
I think you don't pay enough attention to "on average" phrase. Remember that r&d factory repair from fully damaged to fully repaired is stochastic process - chain of random events. Think of it as repeated coin flipping where we want to know how many flips is needed to achieve certain fxed number of "heads". Only in our case the coin is heavy biased against us (probability of single success is very low in all practical cases) and that bias is not constant (probability of success grows slowly with every flip). For such process you need to use statistics approach and certainly you need more then few test runs to draw definitive conclusions.I know that the highlighted item is definately not acccurate. I have 0(2) factories for aircraft in late 45/early 46 some of which have fully repaired while others have not repaired a single point. I also have factories that are under 10 that have gotten their factories fully repaired while larger factories are still waiting to be fully repaired over the same time frame for planes being available within the same six moth window. I will be glad to show you the data to support this if you want.
ORIGINAL: viberpol
ORIGINAL: n01487477
Not sure I'm fully in favour of it ... mouse over any plane and voila ...
Ahh... Thanks!
That must be the q4 addition?
Changed Updated RD totals to reflect actual R&D available for a/c and engines [MEM]
I am stuck with P8 as my opponent didn't want to hand me the benefit of friendly river crossing... [;)]
I just put it in Tracker too ... screen shot in the Tracker thread.ORIGINAL: michaelm
ORIGINAL: viberpol
ORIGINAL: n01487477
Not sure I'm fully in favour of it ... mouse over any plane and voila ...
Ahh... Thanks!
That must be the q4 addition?
Changed Updated RD totals to reflect actual R&D available for a/c and engines [MEM]
I am stuck with P8 as my opponent didn't want to hand me the benefit of friendly river crossing... [;)]
It represents the % to the next month jump. Just to satisfy players that R&D is moving along.[;)]
Well then Sydney we have a problem[&:]. This acceleration has been reported by Allied players since tracker & AE was released. I didn't query it at the time as the game was new & now that we're reporting R&D it is time to bring it up again... cause I can now see allied R&D happening. Maybe this is just an AI issue rather than a player issue ... in which case it's nothing, but as players have already reported it ...ORIGINAL: michaelm
Allied planes don't generate R&D points. It is only a Japanese thing.
ORIGINAL: inqistor
Thinking of it...
Japanese planes, which have research factories set at start, should have availability dates set few months AFTER their historical arrival, to include this research which will be done, if player do NOT change anything.
As this is now, every model will arrive at its historical date, or earlier, even when player do not invest as much R&D, as Japan during war.
I don't think there is any need, the system is back to what it should be. If a player did nothing, I doubt there would be any planes that they would get one months advancement. The R&D is just scattered to the wind in Scen 1. The AI does it differently - it cheats and I can live with that.ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown
ORIGINAL: inqistor
Thinking of it...
Japanese planes, which have research factories set at start, should have availability dates set few months AFTER their historical arrival, to include this research which will be done, if player do NOT change anything.
As this is now, every model will arrive at its historical date, or earlier, even when player do not invest as much R&D, as Japan during war.
You may be right. I, for one, have never tested it, or calculated what the in-game arrival dates end up being. It would need someone with more time than me to do the maths and work out what the adjusted arrival dates for Japanese aircraft should be (assuming that they should be adjusted at all).
Andrew
OK - I'll do a test as Allied Human V Japanese AI to double check anyway. Thanks - I just needed to see if I needed R&D numbers for the Allies.ORIGINAL: michaelm
Yes, the AI has it's own factory producing (and R&D) code. But it doesn't do Allied R&D either.
If there is a loophole in the code somewhere, I'll try to track it down for the weekend.
Yes, the AI can do R&D on Allied planes, but not the human player. It is a mistake.
Found the error - not checking for Japanese aircraft during one of the AI production points.ORIGINAL: michaelm
Yes, the AI has it's own factory producing (and R&D) code. But it doesn't do Allied R&D either.
If there is a loophole in the code somewhere, I'll try to track it down for the weekend.
Yes, the AI can do R&D on Allied planes, but not the human player. It is a mistake.
Just so I understand correctly - the AI should be able to do R&D on Allied planes ? But the human Allied player not ... right ? So why would this error be wrong?ORIGINAL: michaelm
Found the error - not checking for Japanese aircraft during one of the AI production points.ORIGINAL: michaelm
Yes, the AI has it's own factory producing (and R&D) code. But it doesn't do Allied R&D either.
If there is a loophole in the code somewhere, I'll try to track it down for the weekend.
Yes, the AI can do R&D on Allied planes, but not the human player. It is a mistake.
Calculation is pretty simple. We already know, that fully repaired factory will research up to 30 points per month. The only problem is estimation WHEN they will be repaired on-average. Then just multiply factory size by number of months remaining for arrival.ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown
ORIGINAL: inqistor
Thinking of it...
Japanese planes, which have research factories set at start, should have availability dates set few months AFTER their historical arrival, to include this research which will be done, if player do NOT change anything.
As this is now, every model will arrive at its historical date, or earlier, even when player do not invest as much R&D, as Japan during war.
You may be right. I, for one, have never tested it, or calculated what the in-game arrival dates end up being. It would need someone with more time than me to do the maths and work out what the adjusted arrival dates for Japanese aircraft should be (assuming that they should be adjusted at all).
