John Tiller's "PANZER BATTLES"

[E]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
We all have "levels". Eddy's is the Matrix system. Mine? I have no favoured one...as I said above if I want a game I'll buy it. I'm not helping Eddy's cause (or mine) by doing so...and that is my shame to bear.

Indeed it is. The "crying shame" is that your 'shame' affects everyone. You've let ALL of us down.

In our century of need, YOU let us down. YOU turned your back on us. For what? A game? A couple of games? Where are they in the scheme of things? Were they really worth the end result? Every wargamer, let down by YOU. Discouraged. Stabbed in the back, by YOU. We stand Dejected. We're disheartened, depressed, destitute. ALL, thanks to YOU and your insatiable greed for shiny things (oh look, a butterfly!.

How can YOU live with yourself? How can YOU face yourself in the mirror? How can YOU shave without bringing the razor lower and harder? The sheer desolation instigated by YOUR deeds. It's a nightmare, created by YOUR wanton lust for the newest shiny trinket to appear on wargaming horizons. YOU have only three choices to save your soul.... 1) suicide, 2) move to Holland and stick your head in a dike, 3) send the key files/serial numbers to all those games to me, so that I may do a dance of rejuvination for both our souls (obviously, this is the preferred method to save YOUR soul, as it saves ANOTHER soul from the damnation of DRM).




























*grin*

[E]

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

And I'm not fussing about the state of matters in the 1990's, but rather the perfectly-silly, 3-D isomorphic views that still plague his work.

Until you learn the definition of "isometric," I think he's legally safe from false accusations of isomorphic inclusions. *hee-hee* (read: *grin*)

But in reality, how does their inclusion affect you? You don't have to use them at all. Not to mention, his latest updates include an additional zoom level to the 2D maps (admittedly, I think the key command should have been "3" instead of "5" which is after the two isometric view levels).

[Perturabo]

ORIGINAL: J P Falcon

Well I guess I should re-chime in here since I was the culprit who asked the DRM question in the first place. For one, I stopped buying hard copy games which required the cd to run, because is that not a subtle form of a DRM? Sure if you loose the disc then it is your own fault but should some accidental or poorly pressed condition occur which prevents the disc from launching, then what do you do? And the storage, locating, handling and loading of different game cds just has waned my already thin patience.

Same here. Having to put CD in a CD-ROM drive each time one starts playing game makes the CDs deteriorate faster.
Actually it was the first form of DRM that I came to hate.

[wodin]

JT's usually reply over graphical updates or any major new feature in Squad batles series is money. They don't make enough money to warrent the investment.

[Gilmer]

ORIGINAL: Ketza

The last thing on someones mind who is going out of business is to do any extra work even remotely related to what the business did before it went out of business.

That is exactly what I was thinking. I would think it might even be possible that they are hit with an injunction NOT to do anything else with their products depending on the way they are going out of business.

[Ron]

ORIGINAL: sterckxe

The irony here being that this puppy here won't need to be lucky, but you will.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

Explain in your world view why I would need to be lucky? Did you have a vision?

Seriously spare the soapbox oratory - it is a game and we are all adults.

[Grim.Reaper]

Although I am not a fan of DRM, in my opinion it is here to stay so not much you can do about it. I appreciate that some people hold to their beliefs in this area and that is fine, but for me, time is too short too overly worry about it. If I had to guess, the people buying games with DRM far outweigh those that don't so gonna be hard to change the process.

To date I have not experienced any issues with any form of DRM so maybe I have just been lucky and at some point I will. Based on the ton of games I buy, that ratio will be acceptable to me since it likely would equate to the same amount of issues I have had buying a defective download without DRM or a CD-ROM where it has been defective.

My gaming style is playing a game for a relatively short period of time. Very few if any games I play for years and years. So although I understand a company could go out of business, hasn't happened to me yet and unless the company immediately goes out of business after release, likely not too impact me much.

In the end, if I worry about things I can't control too much, gonna miss out on some fun times with good games.

Again, just my view and I certainly appreciate other people's views may differ....

[Perturabo]

I don't think it's possible to miss out fun times in modern times. There are huge numbers of various products whose sole purpose is to provide fun.

[rhondabrwn]

ORIGINAL: H Gilmer

ORIGINAL: Ketza

The last thing on someones mind who is going out of business is to do any extra work even remotely related to what the business did before it went out of business.

That is exactly what I was thinking. I would think it might even be possible that they are hit with an injunction NOT to do anything else with their products depending on the way they are going out of business.

I did suffer from one such situation. Years ago there was a company making a line of "X-copy" products... Games and DVD's. I owned the Games X-Copy program (I may have the name twisted a bit) which I used to make archival copies of my game CD's and to be able to load a mirror copy of the game CD so I didn't need to physically dig it out and put it in the drive etc etc. Absolutely NEVER used for piracy.

Well, I'm sure a lot of people did use the program to illegally copy game disks and the company eventually was shut down and lost all their appeals. Despite assurances that were given, the authorization server went down and despite owning the product I could not reinstall it when I upgraded computers. So, I was out $79.

It certainly is possible that any of your games that require a server authorization for installation could end up being lost to you at some point. Not that I lose sleep over the possibility. [:D]

[rhondabrwn]

I should point out that Tiller has continued to provide HPS with upgrades to remove CD in drive requirements from all of his old HPS games. That was something he didn't need to do and I doubt that HPS is paying him to do it, but it shows his level of committment to people who buy his games.

I really have no fears about future loss of support from the new Tiller Games venture. [:)]

That said, I wish he just used the Matrix serial number system instead of anything requiring internet connectivity to install. I've had nothing but problems with DRM infested "Jutland" and "Rise of Flight" since I bought them. At the present time neither is working since I installed Windows 7 and had to reload my software. I'm on a 5 gig a month cap with Verizon out here on the ranch and "re-downloading and re-installing" multi-gig software isn't an option for me and that's what their support people tell me to do because of DRM changes (I have the original install files, but they don't work anymore). So, if I bust my data cap it's $10 to $20 extra on my bill with no guarantee that the new downloads will work correctly!

DRM... Bah... Humbug! [:@]

[sterckxe]

ORIGINAL: Ron

ORIGINAL: sterckxe
The irony here being that this puppy here won't need to be lucky, but you will.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx

Explain in your world view why I would need to be lucky? Did you have a vision?

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In retrospect I deleted what I orginally wrote here as it is against the forum rules to make fun of a fellow forumite.
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Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[Hexagon]

Eeee guys, i think that is better talk about the game... well, do theories about it because info is cof cof cof [:'(]

To talk about DRMs maybe is better use other post no?

[PKH]

There is some info and screen shots from the developers on theblitz.org. It looks a lot better than previous games from Tiller I think.
Apparently the game is very close to release now. It seems it will use 250m hexes, and 30min turns (seems very long to me). I hope they have new mechanics for combat as the way it works in the Squad Battles games is fundamentally broken and makes no sense.

[aaatoysandmore]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: sterckxe

ORIGINAL: J P Falcon
I am curious about any DRM scheme that might be employed....

Call-home to a server upon installation. Once that server is gone you can kiss goodbye to your $50 game.

... and good luck complaining about installation or other game problems on their forum - they haven't got one.

It simply amazes me every time that there are actually people who buy stuff under these conditions.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

Waaaah, waaaah... It simply amazes me that people STILL whine about this, and STILL look down their noses at the rest of us who choose to buy these games anyway. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!

There's the Terminus attitude I know and love. Must be about time for another 2weeks. Been awhile eh?

[JudgeDredd]

That post was two and a half years ago...

[wodin]

Lots of screenshots on my Tactical Wargames facebook page. Hoping to get some exclusives on it.

[sterckxe]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
That post was two and a half years ago...

... and I'm still not buying DRM-chained games [:'(]

The older I get, the lesser my tolerance for this licensing crap. The things people put up with simply amazes me.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

[z1812]

ORIGINAL: sterckxe

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
That post was two and a half years ago...

... and I'm still not buying DRM-chained games [:'(]

The older I get, the lesser my tolerance for this licensing crap. The things people put up with simply amazes me.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

Why not just let people do what they wish and discuss a game without lamenting about the same old DRM issues. If you feel you must discuss it start up a specific thread. This discussion is already old and very boring. People want to discuss Panzer Battles not your likes and dislikes about DRM.

[Perturabo]

ORIGINAL: z1812

ORIGINAL: sterckxe

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd
That post was two and a half years ago...

... and I'm still not buying DRM-chained games [:'(]

The older I get, the lesser my tolerance for this licensing crap. The things people put up with simply amazes me.

Greetz,

Eddy Sterckx

Why not just let people do what they wish and discuss a game without lamenting about the same old DRM issues. If you feel you must discuss it start up a specific thread. This discussion is already old and very boring. People want to discuss Panzer Battles not your likes and dislikes about DRM.

The DRM is a part of Panzer Battles, so he's discussing Panzer Battles.

[KEYSTONE07950]

Does the scale of Panzer Battles make it a direct competitor for Flashpoint Campaigns?