Scen26b - 1EyedJacks(J) VS Castor Troy(A) ** Restricted

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Curious why you didn't have any Vals bombing ships at PH. I know most hits bounce off of the BBs, but they do get fires going which might knock them over the edge in terms of sinking, and they would do real damage to other ships at Pearl. Also, Kates with the 800kg can do a lot of damage.

Plus, it's always good to have the Torps incase some ships come out hunting for you or fleeing.

Is the concentration on the airfields mainly because you'd like to do a 2nd day attack or more?

[seille]

I think he planned to use ALL Kates against the ships in Pearl. Sometimes plane groups do what they want ignoring their orders, so these two Kate groups
attacked the airfields and not the port. In case he wish to attack Pearl a second time it is probably better to hit the airfield on day one as hard as possible.
Otherwise day two can become costly. The Val bombs don´t do much against the BBs, so better go for the airfield.

[Mike Solli]

I'm curious as well if you're going to hit PH a second day. I haven't done that yet, but after that attack I probably would consider it. You really hurt the BBs and there are a huge number of damaged B-17s and P-40s on a nicely damaged airfield. You could take out quite a number of them on the 8th.

I also think you took out 4-6 subs in Manila. Those 800kg bombs really put a hurting on a sub.

[1EyedJacks]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Para units: When a para drop occurs at a base the same turn as an attack, the defending AV is halved for that attack. If I have a chance, I'll try to find the thread that discusses this.

Ok, I finally got the definitive answer on this one. Here's the answer from AndyMac on whether or not the defending AV is halved when a para drop occurs:


"As far as I am aware does not halve defender AV but does force a bombardment attack by defender"


I guess I heard someone make a guess and say it as fact.

Now we know for sure.

Hi Mike - thanks for following up on this.

Do you know if this forces an additional Bombardment attack or if this is just - no matter what order was put in by the player - the defending troops will only perform a bombardment?

Also - if my para-unit drops in a hex where I already have LCU and those LCU are set to either a shock or deliberate attack - does the para-unit(s) join in the attack?

This is an interesting side conversation - thanks for bringing this up! [:D]


TTFN,

Mike

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Para units: When a para drop occurs at a base the same turn as an attack, the defending AV is halved for that attack. If I have a chance, I'll try to find the thread that discusses this.

Ok, I finally got the definitive answer on this one. Here's the answer from AndyMac on whether or not the defending AV is halved when a para drop occurs:


"As far as I am aware does not halve defender AV but does force a bombardment attack by defender"


I guess I heard someone make a guess and say it as fact.

Now we know for sure.

Hi Mike - thanks for following up on this.

Do you know if this forces an additional Bombardment attack or if this is just - no matter what order was put in by the player - the defending troops will only perform a bombardment?

Also - if my para-unit drops in a hex where I already have LCU and those LCU are set to either a shock or deliberate attack - does the para-unit(s) join in the attack?

This is an interesting side conversation - thanks for bringing this up! [:D]


TTFN,

Mike

I'm sorry, but I don't know the answer to any of those questions. Wish I had the game up and running. I'd test it out. Those are good questions to know the answers to.

[1EyedJacks]

Hi guys,

I'm gunna try to answer a couple of questions in one post.

Mike & Koniu are wondering if I plan an additional attack @ PH and the answer is yes. In the first combat report I had two carrier groups of TB that attacked the airfield instead of the port (and I'm still puzzled by that but, whatever) so those two carriers actually have basically two full loads of fish to attack with. The remaining CV are basically down to one last loadout of fish. I'm pulling two TB to perform Naval Attack/Port Attack and 2 DB to perform a Naval Attack/Airfield attack. The rest of the TB will attack the port and/or while the rest of the DB will attack the airfield or rest. Also, I had two groups of fighters straffing the airfields and those have been reassigned to CAP/Escort duties.

Obvert - I think Seille pretty well nailed the answer for not using Vals on the port attack for T1. I wanted to reduce any counter attack on Turn 2. There are 4E @ PH also, and it's in my mind that the best way to kill a B-17 is on the ground... [:D]

I still wonder how all of my TB attacked with fish. I think in every game of WiTP & AE (this is my 2nd PBEM of AE) I see one or two groups of TB with fish and the rest have those 800kg bombs.

Thanks for the questions and input. It makes doing an AAR much more fun when others participate.

I do have another question tho. I seem to recall that when I set DB/TB on Naval Attack/(airfield or port) Attack that if the air groups did not fly a naval attack and flew either the port or airfield attack instead then they flew without fighter escort. Has anyone else noticed something similiar, and if so, is there a work-around so I can insure any TB/DB have escorts if they fly against PH?


TTFN,

Mike

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

I do have another question tho. I seem to recall that when I set DB/TB on Naval Attack/(airfield or port) Attack that if the air groups did not fly a naval attack and flew either the port or airfield attack instead then they flew without fighter escort. Has anyone else noticed something similiar, and if so, is there a work-around so I can insure any TB/DB have escorts if they fly against PH?


TTFN,

Mike

I don't know the answer to that question either. One suggestion for a potential work around is to set a couple of Zero daitai to LRCAP over PH. I think that will work.

[1EyedJacks]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

I do have another question tho. I seem to recall that when I set DB/TB on Naval Attack/(airfield or port) Attack that if the air groups did not fly a naval attack and flew either the port or airfield attack instead then they flew without fighter escort. Has anyone else noticed something similiar, and if so, is there a work-around so I can insure any TB/DB have escorts if they fly against PH?


TTFN,

Mike

I don't know the answer to that question either. One suggestion for a potential work around is to set a couple of Zero daitai to LRCAP over PH. I think that will work.

So maybe Sweep first with 2 groups, LRCAP with 2 groups, and Escort with 2 groups (I normally set CAP to 30% for each fighter group)? Which is stronger - Sweep or LRCAP? In the past, when I cleared all enemy fighters with sweeps, I never saw additional enemy base CAP...

A nice suggestion tho - that got my head thinking - lol. Thanks!


TTFN,

Mike

[Mike Solli]

In my opinion sweep typically has more planes participate than LRCAP.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

In my opinion sweep typically has more planes participate than LRCAP.

+1

If you have 4 groups, I'd sweep with 3 and escort with 1. Reasonable chance that 1 and maybe 2 sweeps get in B4 the bomb run.

[1EyedJacks]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

In my opinion sweep typically has more planes participate than LRCAP.

+1

If you have 4 groups, I'd sweep with 3 and escort with 1. Reasonable chance that 1 and maybe 2 sweeps get in B4 the bomb run.

So of course I 4got to set my fighter to Sweep or LRCAP - lol. I guess I'll see how things go...

Something else that has my mind wagging is the new ability to change my light bombers to medium bombers in beta 1108q8a. There are 20 air groups of light bombers (414 total) already on the board. I'm just invisioning 20 additional air groups of Sally-IIa smashing China & the DEI... Bwa-ha-ha-ha!

But this really gives Japan the ability to focus on a much stronger strategic bombing campaign. I have to ponder this for a bit as I might want to make some changes to my air production schedule.

I wonder if I can convince Michaelm & AndyMac to allow F/FB/NF/FF to swap between the different groups (with the cost of PP of course)?

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks


I wonder if I can convince Michaelm & AndyMac to allow F/FB/NF/FF to swap between the different groups (with the cost of PP of course)?

I'm testing to see if they do .... at least F/FB/NF ...

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Just remember that for the next attack if he wants to remove the damaged panes he can just withdraw them. I agree to send multiple sweeps and maybe two groups escorting.

[hkbhsi]

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Para units: When a para drop occurs at a base the same turn as an attack, the defending AV is halved for that attack. If I have a chance, I'll try to find the thread that discusses this.

Ok, I finally got the definitive answer on this one. Here's the answer from AndyMac on whether or not the defending AV is halved when a para drop occurs:


"As far as I am aware does not halve defender AV but does force a bombardment attack by defender"


I guess I heard someone make a guess and say it as fact.

Now we know for sure.

Hi Mike - thanks for following up on this.

Do you know if this forces an additional Bombardment attack or if this is just - no matter what order was put in by the player - the defending troops will only perform a bombardment?

Also - if my para-unit drops in a hex where I already have LCU and those LCU are set to either a shock or deliberate attack - does the para-unit(s) join in the attack?

This is an interesting side conversation - thanks for bringing this up! [:D]


TTFN,

Mike

Regarding your questions about paradrops:
A paradrop into an occupied base always forces a shock attack by the attacker so I don't know what this defensive bombardment means. If you have other LCUs already at the base and they are set to deliberate or shock attack, they will contribute to the battle with the paratroopers.

Regarding the halving of the defender AV I have run many tests but I'm not sure I got a definitive answer.

Hope it helps.

Alex.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

Something else that has my mind wagging is the new ability to change my light bombers to medium bombers in beta 1108q8a. There are 20 air groups of light bombers (414 total) already on the board. I'm just invisioning 20 additional air groups of Sally-IIa smashing China & the DEI... Bwa-ha-ha-ha!

But this really gives Japan the ability to focus on a much stronger strategic bombing campaign. I have to ponder this for a bit as I might want to make some changes to my air production schedule.

Remember to keep at least one unit of each of the old models on the map. Manchuoko is a good location. That way you can downgrade at the end of the war and expend all the airframes in the pool as kamikazes.

[1EyedJacks]

12.7.41
CA Maya
CPT Nabeshima, Shunsaku Leadership/Inspiration 64/62
Crew Experience Day/Night 67/65

In the early morning hours of December 7th, 1941, The Heavy Cruiser Maya was en route to the isle of Amami Oshima, there to meet up with the Light Cruisers Oi and Kitakama along with the Destroyers Yugure and Ariake to create a new task force designated TF44, the Suzume Bachi. Captain Nabeshima was on the bridge as the Maya rounded the southern end of Formosa heading east towards Japan. He always enjoyed the early morning view from the bridge. Already the first hints of day were making themselves known to the sea. The sun would soon be rising from behind the Maya to bring forth the new day. It was almost spiritual.

One of the crew brought him a steaming cup of tea in a white porcelain cup with cherry blossoms painted along the sides. The cup was from his wife’s mother and she had prophesied to him that if he drank from the cup each morning he would safely return from the sea. That prophesy had been given him almost five years ago and so far the words of his wife’s mother had been proven true.

Normally he drank his tea in quite, reflecting on his goals for the day and silently asking his gods to watch over his family, but today his thoughts were drowned out by the sound of aircraft coming from the north. Captain Nabeshima stepped out to the railing to see waves of fighters and great two-engined bombers heading from Formosa towards the Philippines.

So! War is at hand, he thought to himself as he watched the aircraft fly overhead to the south. Lately the Americans had taken to sending their submarines out into the waters between Formosa and the Philippines, more the rattling of a sword towards the Japanese navy than anything else. Nabeshima looked back from where he stood to gaze at the three locations where he should be able to see men stationed on lookout. Two were gawking up at the aircraft in the sky while the third continued in his duty of scanning the sea for enemy subs. When the warplanes had disappeared from view Nabeshima returned to the sanctity of his bridge and finished off the remains of his now cold cup before handing it back to the same crewman that had served him.

Lieutenant Kiato Tominasi was his second in command. Kiato was also on the bridge and, while he most likely had also spent some time gazing up at the aircraft that had flown over, he was now studiously reviewing the report logs from the evening shift. Captain Nabeshima cleared his throat quietly, but it was all the sound needed for Lt. Tominasi to turn attentively to his captain.

Nabeshima brought his right hand under his chin and rubbed the stubble absently as he spoke to Kiato. “Watch posts three and five on the starboard side, I want you to find out who is manning them and assign them extra duties with threat of a good beating if they are ever again caught gawking at Japanese planes when they are supposed to be watching for enemy threats. Then make the watch commander review the training cards of aircraft so they can be sure to tell the difference between an American airplane and one of ours.”

“Yes sir.”

“Also, assign extra men on watch for the foreseeable future. We will soon be at war.”

“Yes sir.” Kiato paused to see if there was anything else his captain wanted to say. Seeing nothing else coming from Nabeshima, Kiato asked, “Sir, may I recommend we spend some additional time throughout the next few days conducting drills? The men will be gossiping amongst themselves all day after seeing our aircraft heading for the American Clark base. Since they will already be stirred up I was thinking we might as well redirect some of that energy.” Kiato said the last with the barest hint of a smile.

Nabeshima nodded his approval. “Make it so, Lt. Tominasi, make it so,” he replied with a slight twinkle of his eyes. Kiato had been with the Maya for almost three years now and he had grown accustomed to Nabeshima’s penchant for understatement. They were much like partners in a well choreographed dance. Through long association they knew each other’s mannerisms, quirks, and tendencies. If Nabeshima had to dance to the tune of war he was glad that he had a good partner.

Nabeshima gave another slight nod of his head, this time in dismissal. Kiato took his que without missing a step and left the bridge in search of the Master Chief.

And while the men aboard the Heavy Cruiser began to prepare themselves for war the Maya continued east towards the isle of Amami Oshima.

[1EyedJacks]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

Something else that has my mind wagging is the new ability to change my light bombers to medium bombers in beta 1108q8a. There are 20 air groups of light bombers (414 total) already on the board. I'm just invisioning 20 additional air groups of Sally-IIa smashing China & the DEI... Bwa-ha-ha-ha!

But this really gives Japan the ability to focus on a much stronger strategic bombing campaign. I have to ponder this for a bit as I might want to make some changes to my air production schedule.

Remember to keep at least one unit of each of the old models on the map. Manchuoko is a good location. That way you can downgrade at the end of the war and expend all the airframes in the pool as kamikazes.

Huh? Why wouldn't I be able to just downgrade to a different airframe? I thought I read that as long as I don't have over 100 AC of a model they stay in the pool. If there is over 100 then it converts them into points or something - right?

TTFN,

Mike

[1EyedJacks]

ORIGINAL: hkbhsi

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli




Ok, I finally got the definitive answer on this one. Here's the answer from AndyMac on whether or not the defending AV is halved when a para drop occurs:


"As far as I am aware does not halve defender AV but does force a bombardment attack by defender"


I guess I heard someone make a guess and say it as fact.

Now we know for sure.

Hi Mike - thanks for following up on this.

Do you know if this forces an additional Bombardment attack or if this is just - no matter what order was put in by the player - the defending troops will only perform a bombardment?

Also - if my para-unit drops in a hex where I already have LCU and those LCU are set to either a shock or deliberate attack - does the para-unit(s) join in the attack?

This is an interesting side conversation - thanks for bringing this up! [:D]


TTFN,

Mike

Regarding your questions about paradrops:
A paradrop into an occupied base always forces a shock attack by the attacker so I don't know what this defensive bombardment means. If you have other LCUs already at the base and they are set to deliberate or shock attack, they will contribute to the battle with the paratroopers.

Regarding the halving of the defender AV I have run many tests but I'm not sure I got a definitive answer.

Hope it helps.

Alex.

rofl - now I'm getting confused... [:D][:D][:D] Alex - you tested this and you know from experience that para units always conduct a shock attack when dropped into an enemy occupied base? Or are you saying the defenders will always shock attack a para unit if it drops into their base?

TTFN,

Mike

[hkbhsi]

The paratroopers will always shock attack when dropped on a base, even if it is empty.

Alex.

[CT Grognard]

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: 1EyedJacks

Something else that has my mind wagging is the new ability to change my light bombers to medium bombers in beta 1108q8a. There are 20 air groups of light bombers (414 total) already on the board. I'm just invisioning 20 additional air groups of Sally-IIa smashing China & the DEI... Bwa-ha-ha-ha!

But this really gives Japan the ability to focus on a much stronger strategic bombing campaign. I have to ponder this for a bit as I might want to make some changes to my air production schedule.

Remember to keep at least one unit of each of the old models on the map. Manchuoko is a good location. That way you can downgrade at the end of the war and expend all the airframes in the pool as kamikazes.

Huh? Why wouldn't I be able to just downgrade to a different airframe? I thought I read that as long as I don't have over 100 AC of a model they stay in the pool. If there is over 100 then it converts them into points or something - right?

TTFN,

Mike

You're referring to 13.8 Japanese Scrapping of Excess Aircraft.

You take the max ready values of all air units using a particular plane (including any reinforcement groups not yet on the map but due to come in at some point). If the number of planes of that type in the pool is greater than 99, then the computer automatically scraps all planes in excess of ten times the max ready value of all air groups using the plane - but always leaves at least 99 in the pool.

1 resource point for each engine is added to Osaka for each plane scrapped.