War in the West

[Dali]

Thank you.
Make this a balanced and playable mod is difficult.
I'm trying.
Thanks for any help. Dali

[jakla1027]

Bump
Whats the currents status?

[dwg]

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ORIGINAL: Dali
Make this a balanced and playable mod is difficult.

Personally I think balance is over-rated, WWII wasn't a balanced conflict, the Axis had initial advantages over the Allies, then the Allies had overwhelming advantages over the Axis. Measure your performance against what you think you should be able to achieve, or what the real powers historically achieved, the one thing I don't think you can model is a balanced conflict, because the original wasn't.

Of course I play solitaire or vs the computer, so that biases my perceptions of the value of balance in comparison to people playing H2H, but whatever value you place on balance, it doesn't change the historical situation.

[Commander Stormwolf]

yep a truly accurate War in the West would be a gem in the AE universe,

can start with 1940,

then a full war campaign

[Dali]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Apr 13, 41
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Stavanger at 97,34, Range 19,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Z 9 W.Zenker, Shell hits 32, and is sunk
DD Z 11 B.von Arnim, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CA Effingham, Shell hits 2
CL Penelope
CL Galatea
DD Venetia
DD Wakeful
DD Worcester
DD Vortigern
DD Walpole
DD Wolverine
DD Vansittart



Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 19,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 19,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 19,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 19,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
DD Wolverine engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 14,000 yards
CL Galatea engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
DD Vansittart engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
DD Walpole engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
DD Vortigern engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 12,000 yards
DD Walpole engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 12,000 yards
DD Venetia engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
DD Vansittart engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 8,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages CL Penelope at 8,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vansittart at 8,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Wolverine at 8,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Walpole at 8,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Venetia at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
CL Penelope engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vansittart at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vortigern at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Worcester at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Venetia at 13,000 yards
DD Z 11 B.von Arnim engages DD Walpole at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vansittart at 13,000 yards
DD Wolverine engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Walpole at 13,000 yards
DD Worcester engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
DD Z 11 B.von Arnim engages DD Wolverine at 14,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Wolverine at 14,000 yards
DD Vansittart engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
DD Wolverine engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 14,000 yards
DD Walpole engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 14,000 yards
DD Vortigern engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
CL Galatea engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
CL Penelope engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
DD Vansittart engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
DD Walpole engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 13,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vortigern at 13,000 yards
DD Wakeful engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 11,000 yards
CL Galatea engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 11,000 yards
CL Penelope engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 11,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Vansittart at 11,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker engages DD Wolverine at 11,000 yards
DD Vortigern engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 7,000 yards
CL Galatea engages DD Z 9 W.Zenker at 7,000 yards
DD Wolverine engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 7,000 yards
DD Wakeful engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 7,000 yards
DD Z 11 B.von Arnim engages DD Venetia at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
CA Effingham engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 6,000 yards
DD Z 9 W.Zenker sunk by CL Galatea at 6,000 yards
Ishida W. orders Japanese TF to disengage
CA Effingham engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 6,000 yards
CL Penelope engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 6,000 yards
DD Worcester engages DD Z 11 B.von Arnim at 6,000 yards
DD Z 11 B.von Arnim sunk by DD Wakeful at 6,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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ASW attack near Aalesund at 93,23

Japanese Ships
SS U 38

Allied Ships
CA Suffolk
CL Manchester
CL Birmingham
DD Malcolm
DD Douglas
DD Tartar
DD Somali
DD Sikh
DD Punjabi



SS U 38 is sighted by escort
DD Tartar fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Somali attacking submerged sub ....
DD Sikh fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Punjabi fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Tartar fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Somali fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Tartar fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Tartar fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Tartar fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Morning Air attack on Kobenhavn , at 104,41

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
He 111 H-2 x 36
Ju 88 A-4 x 2



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
He 111 H-2: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Dan Fokker C.V: 2 damaged
Dan Fokker C.V: 1 destroyed on ground



Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x He 111 H-2 bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 12 x 100 kg GP Bomb
2 x Ju 88 A-4 bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 28 x 50 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Kobenhavn , at 104,41

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Me 109 E-1 x 26
Ju 88 A-1 x 57



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ju 88 A-1: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Dan Gauntlet Mk.II: 5 damaged
Dan Gauntlet Mk.II: 1 destroyed on ground
Dan Fokker C.V: 2 damaged
Dan Fokker D.XXI: 1 damaged



Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x Ju 88 A-1 bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 28 x 50 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
27 x Ju 88 A-1 bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 28 x 50 kg GP Bomb, 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Trondheim , at 102,24

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes


Allied aircraft
Nor Gladiator Mk.II x 4
Nor Fokker C.V.D/E x 21


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Z 22 A.Schmidt, Bomb hits 1
DD Z 2 H.Lody, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Z 21 W.Heidkamp, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Z 17 D.von Roeder, Bomb hits 1, on fire



Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Nor Fokker C.V.D/E bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 1 x 100 lb GP Bomb
2 x Nor Fokker C.V.D/E bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 1 x 100 lb GP Bomb
7 x Nor Fokker C.V.D/E bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 1 x 100 lb GP Bomb
5 x Nor Fokker C.V.D/E bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 1 x 100 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on TF, near Aarhus at 103,40

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes


Allied aircraft
Dan Fokker C.V x 2


Allied aircraft losses
Dan Fokker C.V: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Espana, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Dan Fokker C.V bombing from 1000 feet *
Naval Attack: 1 x 30 kg GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Egersund , at 98,35

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes


Allied aircraft
Wellington Mk.I x 12
Wellington Mk.I A x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington Mk.I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AM M 1, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
AM M 9, Bomb hits 1, on fire



Port hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Wellington Mk.I bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x Wellington Mk.I A bombing from 1000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Egersund , at 98,35

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes


Allied aircraft
Hampden Mk.I x 12


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AM M 2, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM M 13, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AM M 1, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM M 9, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage



Port hits 4
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hampden Mk.I bombing from 1000 feet *
Port Attack: 3 x 250 lb GP Bomb

Massive explosion on AM M 13


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Morning Air attack on Egersund , at 98,35

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes


Allied aircraft
Wellington Mk.I A x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AM M 9, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AM M 2, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM M 13, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk



Port hits 7
Port supply hits 6

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington Mk.I A bombing from 1000 feet
Port Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on 7. Infantry Regiment, at 102,39 , near Aarhus

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Me 110 C-2 x 17
He 111 H-2 x 78



Japanese aircraft losses
He 111 H-2: 4 damaged


Allied ground losses:
351 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x He 111 H-2 bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
35 x He 111 H-2 bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb
35 x He 111 H-2 bombing from 1000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 100 kg GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Aarhus at 103,40

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes


Allied aircraft
Dan Fokker C.V x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Dan Fokker C.V: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Jonia, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
2 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Dan Fokker C.V bombing from 1000 feet *
Naval Attack: 1 x 30 kg GP Bomb



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Submarine attack near Plymouth at 82,49

Japanese Ships
SS U 23

Allied Ships
TK Norfold, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires



TK Norfold is sighted by SS U 23
SS U 23 launches 3 torpedoes

[Dali]

Work still further. At present, the main scenario testing continues. I play 4 full scenario 27 with SCN testers, while the Germans are too weak. In some cases, the Allies stopped the German troops already in Belgium. I have to be further improved

[JeffroK]

Great work.

Is it worth dropping a line to michaelm to see if the "Japanese Ground Losses" header could be changed to "Axis ......"

It may be an easy fix (considering all the pwhex OOB etc work you have done)

[Dali]

There is now Danish air force (PDF document)
http://tanciky.cz/uv/witw/screen/

[Commander Stormwolf]

if allies are stopping the axis too easily,

can lower allied troop experience and morale

1940 france had poor training and unmotivated troops

[Dali]

Yes, I know. There are just working a lot and tested. D.

[pharmy]

Did you/can you include the torpedo tubes in the Oscarborg CD guarding Oslo?
Weirdly it seems they used pre-ww1 austro-hungarian whitehead torpedoes to sink the Blucher.
Weird because the Germans actually stole torpedo technology from the Norwegians after

Specifically the Schwarzkopf F5 was a 450 mm Norwegian aircraft dropped torpedo used by the Germans during the Second World War. It had a range of 2000 meters and travelled at a speed of 33 knots. It was armed with a 200 kg Hexanite explosive warhead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... 8bak_Sound

[mikhail]

I post another picture in Dali's name.

It's CV Graf Zeppelin.

[Dali]

I know the history and very well.
No, torpedo tubed in Oslo are not. But even so, the German navy suffer significant losses.
The game is much more active CD batteries.
Maybe sometimes to come back, we'll see ... Dali

[inqistor]

ORIGINAL: Dali

Work still further. At present, the main scenario testing continues. I play 4 full scenario 27 with SCN testers, while the Germans are too weak. In some cases, the Allies stopped the German troops already in Belgium. I have to be further improved

Technically speaking - Germany should achieve victory by outmaneuvering Allies, not defeating them in combat. I remember, that in Clash of Steel, if you do not go through Belgium, you will be stopped, no matter what.

That probably would require careful design of map, and assigning most of German units as motorized, while Allies as foot.


Second probability is not in firepower difference, but more in preparation, more like Allies will be short on supply, if battle takes longer, but with the scale involved, I do not see, how it could be possible to create long lines of supply in France.

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: mikhail

I post another picture in Dali's name.

It's CV Graf Zeppelin.

You realize that the swastika is wrong?

Also: Having the swastica on the pictures makes the mod illegal in several European states. That's unfortunate as gaming websites won't be allowed to advertise it.

[Dali]

Thank you for your comment. Mod is not freely available. D.

[Halsey]

GM TF mission bitmaps.

Have to resave as 24 bit and rename.

Brits are next.[;)]

[Dali]

Ugh!
Really nice I use, thank you. Dali
(Schnellboot is directly exclusive!)

[Halsey]

Feel free to replace any panels.

You might have better sources than I do.[;)]

[Halsey]

Here's Great Britain's TF mission art.

Resave as 24 bit and rename.