Time of Fury 1.04 beta

[MarkWayneClark]

ORIGINAL: rmonical

Yes

Is there any fix for this?

[MarkWayneClark]

ORIGINAL: rmonical

Yes

Is there any fix for this?

[rmonical]

See the fix I posted in the other thread.

[demyansk]

i just started my game and clicked on the update and it said my game is version 1.02. no updates available, what is the official version of the game?

[rmonical]

V.1.02 is the official version of the game. If you want to try the v.104 beta, then you might want to save off your v.102 version. The v.104 beta installs directly on top off the v.102 version. I made the mistake of replacing the v.102 data directory with the v.104 data directory. It must be merged. The biggest issue with v.104 is the low air unit supply bug. There are edits to the configuration files you can make to address this. const.ini and consts_german.ini (the 1939 Grand Campaign - other files may need to be edited in other scenarios).

In both files there are a series of supply level penalties described thusly. You need to edit the ones for 25 and below when the air unit penalties kick in:
[UnitsPerformanceInRelationsToSupplyAt25]
EffectivityPenalty = 1
ActionPointsPenalty = 0
ColumnShiftDuringAirCombat = 0 <--- leave this at 0 at each level
AirStrikeModifier = 100 <--- leave this at 100 at each level
MaximumReplacementsForLandUnits = 75
MaximumReplacementsForAirUnits = 8 <--- leave this at 10 at each level

Then you want to change the section on rebasing
[AirUnitsRebase]
SupplyToRebaseUnitType20 = 15 <--- change this to 1
SupplyToRebaseUnitType21 = 15 <--- change this to 1
SupplyToRebaseUnitType22 = 15 <--- change this to 1


I do not think there are other huge issues with v.104 in the early war.

[Omnius]

doomtrader,
About when will we be able to see a new patch after 1.04 that fixes the air unit supply snafus? Just a ballpark estimate for planning purposes. I'd like to play ToF again but am waiting for a more stable version that doesn't have problems we have to try to fix ourselves. I'm just going to wait until I see a better patch come out.
Omnius

[Rasputitsa]

Is it just me, but 1.04 beta doesn't have the 'intercept lock' feature for fighter units. Is this one of the issues that caused problems with earlier versions and will it appear in the final 1.04. [:)]

[Meteor2]

As I said on 9/10/2012:
The speed of patches is unbelievable slow. That is a reason for me to be reluctant with Wasteland games.
Starting with a good concept, it seems that the games are never really finished.
Unfortunately I have to say this, although I like the game and want to play it.

[battlevonwar]

I am a little frustrated to with the speed but you have to face the facts. WW2 Hexagon War Games are a small market. Strategic Command 1 the original rebirth of 2000s plus Hexagon Wargames(grand strategic ww2 level) had an air bug where if you planted a fighter unit on any strategic resource/city you got an auto +1 advantage or something like that. Took ages and ages to find out. Some knew and exploited it.

The fact that after 2 or 3 years this is a fully finished product will mean a lot. It's a shame there isn't a slightly larger audience. If Doom was making the extra money that some of the other titles snort up, this would likely drive the guy to do more with it or hire people to do it. The fact it's getting there, is great... We won't see another like it I don't figure and World in Flames is too detailed for me..

ORIGINAL: Meteor2

As I said on 9/10/2012:
The speed of patches is unbelievable slow. That is a reason for me to be reluctant with Wasteland games.
Starting with a good concept, it seems that the games are never really finished.
Unfortunately I have to say this, although I like the game and want to play it.

[Magpius]

The one thing I notice here is that as players get more and more impatient for updates; but, every developer on this site issues pubic BETA updates.
Personally this just seems to muddy the expectations as to when official patches get released.
Often the beta patch is patched again and again publicly, and plenty of people scratch their heads at where the game is at and what official patch is current.
1.04b, 1.07a etc. etc. etc. (what happened to an official 1.03 release, we now have a later beta...)
I'd rather see a game update released, WHEN IT"S COMPLETE, instead of being frustrated at glitches that should be picked up behind the scenes in closed beta testing.
As I said wastelands are not the only people who have fallen into this trap, if no comments are issued weekly, then people feel abandoned.
I have plenty of good games from Matrix all vying for my time and attention. So when the patch is official, then the game is back on the radar.
But the blips and false alarms, annoying.

where am I going with all this? no idea.[8|]

[Rasputitsa]

The reality for small game developers is that they need the player input to progress, they do not have the resources for extensive development projects and testing. Using ideas from the players and issuing beta versions to get them tested is the only way to proceed, unless you are a big bucks developer serving a huge market, which these games are obviously not.

Players who expect these niche market games to work perfectly, straight out of the box, are in the wrong part of the gaming market for that to be a realistic expectation.

Having used 'Time of Wrath', 'Storm in the Pacific' and now 'Time of Fury', I can see the gradual progress that has been made to get here, but it must be frustrating for people who have come into the Wastelands experience during the teething problems of this game and are expecting quicker results.

[Magpius]

I hear what you're saying Rasp. I started with Road to Victory, and will always support the efforts of Wastelands.
They have a great ethic. and clearly rely on more experienced gamers than I, to give robust and nuanced feedback.

I'm just saying that continual incremental beta releases from many Matrix developers just muddies the waters.
and must annoy newcomers probably more than me.

[Rasputitsa]

ORIGINAL: Agent S
I hear what you're saying Rasp. I started with Road to Victory, and will always support the efforts of Wastelands.
They have a great ethic. and clearly rely on more experienced gamers than I, to give robust and nuanced feedback.

I'm just saying that continual incremental beta releases from many Matrix developers just muddies the waters.
and must annoy newcomers probably more than me.

I agree completely, it's just that this is the way it is for this type of game, it really went wrong when problems in beta 1.03 were found to have started in official 1.02. Either way, TOF is not a finished product, it's part of a journey, which started with the earlier games and who knows how far we have left to go, but I have enjoyed the ride, if a little bumpy.[:)]

[Razz1]

ORIGINAL: rmonical

I played it through the Fall of France to look at issues not particularly related to the air unit supply bug.

I looked at the events: The SMP reduction issue is definitely a bug in the Country.ChangeSMP routine. I assume it overwrites (minimum 0) instead of adds. After German SMP went to 0 when Poland surrendered, I edited it back up to 11. When the effectiveness hit ended- Country.ChangeSMP(2,5) set German SMP to 5.

The other issues are scenario design related.
1. I cannot get from the German Grand Campaign to the Fall Gelb research values. Should Germany start at 2 for infantry and armor instead of 1?
2. As I mentioned elsewhere, if the British send all the carriers out after raiders, the raider's lives are short.
3. The French level 1 upkeep limit of 100 is too low. I set it to 160 and unfroze all of the French units. France still fell by late August with no use of air power by either side. Note that France starts Fall Gelb at just over 150 and is thus losing production points. France falling by late June 40 should be considered the absolute best possible case and not hard wired into the game by weird production limitations. This is the most egregious issue facing the French - but IMHO, the French OOB is seriously nerfed.
4. Tried Winter War again with playing the Finns as human. The human Soviets made slow steady progress, but did not force a surrender by August after attriting the greatly augmented Finish army almost to nothing- Winter War needs to end by event or there needs to some cumulative casualty level in addition to Vyborg falling. By August Finlnd has taken 384K casualties compared to 70K historically. In addition, Soviet casualties seem low - 90K in TOF verses 323K historically. Fixing the air supply issue will help the Soviets, but this still seems broken to me. The Soviet War economy is up to 75%.

The SMP is supposed to be reduced after the fall of Poland and the recover in early 1940.

This slows down the German advance to make it closer to history. It is there to prevent the Germans from attacking France and lowlands with in a few turns after Poland falls.
It is programmed correctly.

I'll have to check that next game. Your saying SMP is set at 5. If that is correct the programming code is wrong and may be off by one column.

1) That's interesting. Tech gain is random, but should be able to get on level per year. It looks like Fall Gelb should be reduced to Level one with progress 200/250

2) Good hunting. It doesn't always work that way in my experience. In fact more people complain that the subs are killing too many PP's

3) I agree and it is fixed in the Third Reich. When they changed the supply and unit maintenance the game became unbalanced and unplayable.

4) Don't pay attention to casualties. That number is there for flavor and has no bearing on the strength of your units. However that number has been changed is more realistic in the Third Reich.
The winter war could use another scrubbing.

[baloo7777]

So my TOF v1.04beta simply stopped working this past weekend. Every scenario I tried opening crashed. I was able to open the autosave file, but as soon as I tried moving a unit, it also crashed. I had crashed occasionally while playing the GD scenario, but could recover by loading the autosave file. After trying to start each scenario, crashing, and restarting my computer, I decided that I must have somehow corrupted the game. I decided to remove it completely from my computer. I re-downloaded a new (clean) copy, and immediately upgraded to v1.02. I am waiting for the official 1.04 upgrade. Perhaps I did something wrong when I tried 1.04beta, as the files did not automatically load, and I had to do the file exchange myself (I am not sure if I did it correctly). I am hoping the official 1.04 upgrade is set to replace files automatically.