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Is this scenario available for us unwashed public? I'd love to tinker with it.
Sardaukar - Are you a Certified Time Travel Simulator?
A scenario like this in the wrong hands could cause irrevocable damage to the movie.
Look what happened to Star Trek...[;)]
I have a few more tweaks I need to do and then I will release it to the wild. Hopefully a better scenario editor than me can really bring it to life and make it competitive. Also, if there is a way to sequentially activate/deactivate multiple missions using the same AC then the Japanese can really be automated.
Primarchx - Just reviewed the movie on Netflix. Here is a clip from the Pearl overflight scene. I think it looks like an RF-8 - but I could be wrong.
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AAR - Tora, Tora, Tora - not?
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RE: AAR - Tora, Tora, Tora - not?
Thats a defo RF-8 Crusader guys
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RE: AAR - Tora, Tora, Tora - not?
I'd accept it in whatever form it's in right now.
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Is this scenario available for us unwashed public? I'd love to tinker with it.
Sardaukar - Are you a Certified Time Travel Simulator?
A scenario like this in the wrong hands could cause irrevocable damage to the movie.
Look what happened to Star Trek...[;)]
I have a few more tweaks I need to do and then I will release it to the wild. Hopefully a better scenario editor than me can really bring it to life and make it competitive. Also, if there is a way to sequentially activate/deactivate multiple missions using the same AC then the Japanese can really be automated.
Primarchx - Just reviewed the movie on Netflix. Here is a clip from the Pearl overflight scene. I think it looks like an RF-8 - but I could be wrong.
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RE: AAR - Tora, Tora, Tora - not?
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I'd accept it in whatever form it's in right now.
Will try to clean it up for upload this weekend.
Currently playing thru the last option - IJN Strike vs Nimitz simultaneous w/Nimitz response.
100's of AC in the air slowing things down.
I don't think the Nimitz Fighters/AC have enough ordnance (AAM/Bullets) to stop the flood.
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RE: AAR - Tora, Tora, Tora - not?
You're right on the Crusader. Must be getting old. I could of sworn Kirk Douglas asked for a Vigilante to take a look at Pearl, but it's a Crusader.
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Now for the last test - the IJN First and Second waves attack the Nimitz.
In the movie the Nimitz captured one of the Zero pilots and brought him back to the ship with the yacht survivors. Later during questioning he overpowered his guard and held the survivors hostage. His demand was to radio his fleet but he became distracted when the CAG thru an interpreter described in detail the upcoming IJN attack. A marine tried to take advantage and gunfire was exchanged - 1 Marine and 1 Japanese pilot dead.
Now instead the pilot gets his demands, they let him radio his fleet, and he warns them and maybe somehow relays the lat/long of the Nimitz secretly. The IJN Admiral agrees to call off the Pearl attack, but as the Hawkeye monitors the first wave instead of seeing them return to the IJN carriers they turn west.
Adm Nagumo recognizes the Nimitz as the greater threat and unleashes the already airborne First Wave on her…

In the movie the Nimitz captured one of the Zero pilots and brought him back to the ship with the yacht survivors. Later during questioning he overpowered his guard and held the survivors hostage. His demand was to radio his fleet but he became distracted when the CAG thru an interpreter described in detail the upcoming IJN attack. A marine tried to take advantage and gunfire was exchanged - 1 Marine and 1 Japanese pilot dead.
Now instead the pilot gets his demands, they let him radio his fleet, and he warns them and maybe somehow relays the lat/long of the Nimitz secretly. The IJN Admiral agrees to call off the Pearl attack, but as the Hawkeye monitors the first wave instead of seeing them return to the IJN carriers they turn west.
Adm Nagumo recognizes the Nimitz as the greater threat and unleashes the already airborne First Wave on her…

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In response the Nimitz launches all available F-14s and redirects the previously launched Pearl CAP group to intercept the IJN First Wave.


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The two F-14 groups contact the First Wave almost simultaneously and start launching Phoenixes and Sidewinders.
Pearl CAP Group:

Pearl CAP Group:

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Nimitz CAP Group:


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A massive furball ensues. In the meantime the Nimitz launches her strike group (A-6s/A-7s) against the IJN Fleet and IJN starts launching its Second Wave to strike the Nimitz - both groups initially forming up in patrol areas away from the air battle.
My computer is starting to smoke…

My computer is starting to smoke…

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Many things are happening (slowly) now at the same time.
In the air battle with the First Wave the F-14s are starting to run out of bullets (AAM/Cannon) and RTB Winchester. Also some of the First Wave has turned around due to fuel issues - the strike for them was at extreme range following their initial launch/form up to attack Pearl. In hindsight if I had realized most of the First Wave did not have the legs to reach the Nimitz, I would have saved the F-14s for the greater threat of the Second Wave.
To address this issue I divert the A-7 Strike Squadrons to fly thru the 2nd wave and expend their x2 AAMs and cannons to try to whittle it down. It won’t be enough though considering my percentages to hit range from 20% to 50%. Too many targets and not enough bullets.
The A-6s with no anti-air armament continue their attack run on the IJN Fleet coming in from the north of the 2nd Wave.

In the air battle with the First Wave the F-14s are starting to run out of bullets (AAM/Cannon) and RTB Winchester. Also some of the First Wave has turned around due to fuel issues - the strike for them was at extreme range following their initial launch/form up to attack Pearl. In hindsight if I had realized most of the First Wave did not have the legs to reach the Nimitz, I would have saved the F-14s for the greater threat of the Second Wave.
To address this issue I divert the A-7 Strike Squadrons to fly thru the 2nd wave and expend their x2 AAMs and cannons to try to whittle it down. It won’t be enough though considering my percentages to hit range from 20% to 50%. Too many targets and not enough bullets.
The A-6s with no anti-air armament continue their attack run on the IJN Fleet coming in from the north of the 2nd Wave.

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RE: AAR - Tora, Tora, Tora - not?
Since this is my third try at attacking the IJN Fleet I know exactly what to do. I unassign and then manually target x2 A-6s (each w/2 Walleyes) per each IJN Carrier. Here we see 1 Carrier to the North (Soryu) sinking and x6 more Walleyes inbound.


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Here the Hiryu is sinking and the remaining carriers are in various states of damage and targeted by numerous more Walleyes. In the end 5 carriers were sunk and 1 heavily damaged on its way to imminent sinking.


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Even though 5 IJN CVs were sinking, there was no celebration on the Nimitz. The majority of her AC were Winchester and a multitude of IJN AC were still streaming towards the Nimitz. The first to arrive were a pair of Zeroes - a BPDMS launcher cuts loose with its Sea Sparrows. Here we see the 2nd Zero about to be shot down, while Nimitz AC are landing in the background.


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Even though the IJN Aircraft are shot down, some Sea Sparrows miss and the Nimitz is expending too many considering the number of IJN AC still coming. In this image the first Kate and Val arrive - both armed w/bombs originally intended for the 2nd Waves land strike on Pearl. The first BPDMS launcher is empty so the Nimitz has to change course to unmask another launcher. An A-6 is in the background on approach.


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Too many misses and the Nimitz has to change course again to unmask the last BPDMS launcher. Eventually the last launcher is exhausted and there is no active defense - until some F-14s are rearmed.
Below 3 Val dive bombers have finished their bomb runs w/250kg bombs - some hit/some miss. The Nimitz experiences fires and flooding and is starting to get damaged.

Below 3 Val dive bombers have finished their bomb runs w/250kg bombs - some hit/some miss. The Nimitz experiences fires and flooding and is starting to get damaged.

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After the Vals finish their bomb runs they don't RTB - instead they start circling the Nimitz and strafing her. At first I thought these attacks were futile, but then I started seeing reports of AC being destroyed. I then realized the Vals were strafing the recently landed aircraft on the deck. Shades of Midway and the US attack on the IJN CVs with decks full of AC…


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More Vals and Kates arrive and commence bomb runs, while others continue to circle and strafe the Nimitz. This combination is not good - some of the elevators are damaged, aircraft continue to be destroyed, and Nimitz overall damage has grown to 10% amidst the fire and flooding. Looking to the east there are still many IJN AC streaming towards the Nimitz.


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Finally amidst the attacking IJN AC a rearmed F-14 is launched. The next F-14 will not be ready for another 8min - an eternity. Up to this point I had let the AC be controlled by the AI, but I realized I would need to take manual control of this F-14 if the Nimitz was to have a chance…

With both me and my computer burned out, I saved the scenario to continue the story of the lone F-14 vs. the multitudes of IJN bombers at a later time.
Stay tuned...

With both me and my computer burned out, I saved the scenario to continue the story of the lone F-14 vs. the multitudes of IJN bombers at a later time.
Stay tuned...
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This doesn't look promising (damage to air facilities on Nimitz)

Rearming AC on the flight deck with Vals buzzing around strafing - not very healthy.
Any plans to add kamikaze options for AC?
Bedtime here...

Rearming AC on the flight deck with Vals buzzing around strafing - not very healthy.
Any plans to add kamikaze options for AC?
Bedtime here...
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RE: AAR - Tora, Tora, Tora - not?
In the meantime for those who want to play with the scenario/sand box in its present form see attached.
Here is some scenario/status info:
Scenario Settings
1. IJN
a. First Air Fleet 20kts to close Pearl
b. Fleet CAP 6 A6M2 from each Carrier at 1/3 - 12 Zeroes airborne relative CAP box w/IJN Fleet
c. First Strike defined
i. Armed for Maritime strike
ii. Pearl Maritime Strike Mission 0600 Local 12/7/41
d. Second Wave defined
i. Land strike
ii. Pearl Land Based Strike Mission 0715 Local 12/7/41
e. Proficiency Veteran
f. EMCON all passive - did not get around to removing radars
g. IJN Fleet course south/20kts
h. Unlimited ammo at bases turned on
2. US
a. Pearl BBs
i. Remove all sensors except Mk1 eyeball
ii. Remove all ammo for late war AAA
iii. Did not add CA/CL/DD and ground AAA installations yet
b. Land Facilities
i. Hickam Field 15th Pursuit Grp - 4 squadrons 60 P-47s - targets
ii. NAS Ford Island - Patrol Wing 2 - 45 PBY - targets
iii. M1A1 90mm AAA batteries - radars removed
c. Proficiency Average
d. EMCON Radar Active for Nimitz
e. Nimitz course North 0kts/no AC armed
f. Unlimited ammo at bases turned on
Some things I want to try
1. Manually take control of the IJN attack and see how well I can do
2. Put one or more US 1941 CVs in Pearl and see how that works
3. Put one or more US 1941 CVs near Pearl for a counterstrike if Wildcats, etc in CWDB
4. Sortie the US BBs and fleet and see what the IJN can do against that - including a big gun battle.
The more historical what-ifs are growing like rabbits...
Here is some scenario/status info:
Scenario Settings
1. IJN
a. First Air Fleet 20kts to close Pearl
b. Fleet CAP 6 A6M2 from each Carrier at 1/3 - 12 Zeroes airborne relative CAP box w/IJN Fleet
c. First Strike defined
i. Armed for Maritime strike
ii. Pearl Maritime Strike Mission 0600 Local 12/7/41
d. Second Wave defined
i. Land strike
ii. Pearl Land Based Strike Mission 0715 Local 12/7/41
e. Proficiency Veteran
f. EMCON all passive - did not get around to removing radars
g. IJN Fleet course south/20kts
h. Unlimited ammo at bases turned on
2. US
a. Pearl BBs
i. Remove all sensors except Mk1 eyeball
ii. Remove all ammo for late war AAA
iii. Did not add CA/CL/DD and ground AAA installations yet
b. Land Facilities
i. Hickam Field 15th Pursuit Grp - 4 squadrons 60 P-47s - targets
ii. NAS Ford Island - Patrol Wing 2 - 45 PBY - targets
iii. M1A1 90mm AAA batteries - radars removed
c. Proficiency Average
d. EMCON Radar Active for Nimitz
e. Nimitz course North 0kts/no AC armed
f. Unlimited ammo at bases turned on
Some things I want to try
1. Manually take control of the IJN attack and see how well I can do
2. Put one or more US 1941 CVs in Pearl and see how that works
3. Put one or more US 1941 CVs near Pearl for a counterstrike if Wildcats, etc in CWDB
4. Sortie the US BBs and fleet and see what the IJN can do against that - including a big gun battle.
The more historical what-ifs are growing like rabbits...
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