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SLAAKMAN · Post by **SLAAKMAN** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:25 am

"So the organizations with the money can exploit someone elses intelectual property without paying for it."

THEY DO IT ANYWAY. WITHOUT THE GROSSLY EXPENSIVE LEGAL SYSTEM TO HIDE BEHIND ALL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY WOULD BE FAIR GAME AND NOBODY COULD MONOPOLIZE A DAMNED THING! THE DOOR SWINGS BOTH WAYS.
SLAAKATTAK

denisonh · Post by **denisonh** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 3:27 am

Monolpolization would be a direct function of monetary resources. So without money, you have nothing.

SLAAKMAN · Post by **SLAAKMAN** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 6:22 am

WITHOUT MONEY YOU HAVE NOTHING?? TELL THAT TO THOMAS PAINE. THE SHOT THAT WAS HEARD AROUND THE WORLD DIDNT NEED A BANKER TO MAKE ITS IMPACT. ROMANTIC AINT IT?!

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 6:36 am

Money is just a tool.

And it is a tool we can do without, we but have to wish it be so.

Life could be all about barter, we could but make it so if we wanted it to be so.

Life is the way it is, because collectively humanity wants it that way.

It't the reason I don't really care about a lot of the world's woes in some ways. To many people happy to be miserable, why should I force them to be happy eh?

denisonh · Post by **denisonh** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 6:46 am

WITHOUT MONEY YOU HAVE NOTHING?? TELL THAT TO THOMAS PAINE. THE SHOT THAT WAS HEARD AROUND THE WORLD DIDNT NEED A BANKER TO MAKE ITS IMPACT. ROMANTIC AINT IT?!

Are we talking about making it easy for corporate america to steal ideas from individual entrepenuers, writers, and inventors; or are we talking armed insurrection?

Last time I checked, a significant part of the American revolution revolved around money (No taxation without representation)

SLAAKMAN · Post by **SLAAKMAN** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 7:51 am

TRUE. MONEY IS SOMEWHAT THE BOTTOM LINE OF MY EARLIER POINT. BUT IM NOT SATISFIED WITH THE SO-CALLED SOLUTIONS TO THE SLOW MONEY VELOCITY THAT THE COUNTRY SUFFERS FROM NOW. PLUS AS AN AMATEUR TECHNOLOGY RESEARCHER ITS DAMNED DISGRUNTLING TO READ ABOUT GREAT INVENTIONS THAT SUPPOSEDLY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS ONLY TO LEARN THAT THE "RIGHTS" TO USE THEM HAVE BEEN SHELVED BY SOME GREEDY JERK OR COMPANY OF JERKS THAT ARE MAKING A KILLING OFF THE OLD TECHNOLOGY WITHOUT LETTING ME GET IN ON THE SCAM. DAMNED FRUSTRATING IT IS!

denisonh · Post by **denisonh** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:01 am

I agree that there are problems with the systems as is.

I am not intimately familiar with patent law, but was under the understanding that there is a time limit associated with the patent. I would think that you can't keep something shelved forever. I always remember that the guy who patented the television didn't get squat because WW II delayed it's introduction, and so his patent had expired by the time it became big.

I am personally more concerned with copyrights then patents anyway.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:02 am

Look on the bright side, regardless of who you hear it from, odds are they are not entirely right.
The simple fact is humanity is massively accelerating the process heading us to the next Ice Age.

As such, in a very short span of time (you might actually witness it), society, and all of humanity, might come to grips with mother nature in her worst mood. A mood she has never demonstrated in human history (or at least human history that matters to us now).

And the survivors, there will be lots of them, will have all the clutter all the mess and as a result all the stupidity rather brutally, erased.

And people will be able to go the process of starting mostly anew, and maybe just maybe get it right next time.
But don't hold your breathe.

denisonh · Post by **denisonh** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:06 am

As such, in a very short span of time (you might actually witness it), society, and all of humanity, might come to grips with mother nature in her worst mood. A mood she has never demonstrated in human history (or at least human history that matters to us now).

What do you that the rest of us don't, Sarge? (Besides how to speak French:D )

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:40 am

I read this one book The Coming Global Superstorm. I would have enjoyed it more if the authors hadn't keep interrupting the story after each chapter with discussions of a purely scientific sort.

Alas, it ain't a fairy tale.

No the truth of the matter is that the future ain't so bright.

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:45 am

Interesting you should mention French though, I am from Quebec heheh.

denisonh · Post by **denisonh** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:57 am

Did you get some good ideas for some retirement property out of that booK? Like some place that won't be destroyed and/or somewhat habitable in 20-30 years?

A new ice age doesn't seem like it would do alot for Canada.

SLAAKMAN · Post by **SLAAKMAN** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:57 am

!!!!! QUEBEC??!!! DUUUDE! YOU CAN SET ME UP WITH ALL THOSE FINE MONTREAL BABES!!!

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 4:50 pm

No you want Quebec City actually.

As for Canada and the next 100 years, hmm you might want to buy a home in New Zealand or Australia, closest thing to Canada culturally, and a lot safer. Because eventually there won't be a Canada (unless you are Inuit, I guess they will be prepared for a long bout of snow).
But it will naturally be a lot warmer in the Mediteranean regions. North Africa has a lot of promise. Bit sandy though. Possibly south Saharan.
I don't suggest the Carribean though, it will be a lot wetter there, before the snow arrives. Place gets trashed regularly by Mother Nature already.

The trouble of alarmist talk of Ice Ages, is it's getting so hot lately. Which is not a problem when you study the past proven mechanics of global glaciation that have already occurred numerous times.
Oh any archeologist/geologist/planetologist/climatologist worth their degrees can show you that Global Warming isn't a trendy "what if" scenario eh.
Mother Nature, she has done it several times before already, she knows exactly how to do it.

SLAAKMAN · Post by **SLAAKMAN** » Sun Dec 15, 2002 11:25 pm

NAAAH ICEAGE-SCHMICEAGE. I LIKE COLD WEATHER. ESPECIALLY WHEN I CAN JUMP INTO A NICE HOT BATH WITH THREE OF MY LOVELY FRENCH LADIES TO HAVE SOME HUGGIE-SQUEEZIE. NOW GET OUT THERE FIND ME MY DREAMGIRLS SO I CAN VOULEZ-VOUS ON A MOONLIT NIGHT.

SoulBlazer · Post by **SoulBlazer** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 7:17 am

I'm surprised no one here mentioned one of the biggest reasons why people who buy the games (like myself) would get a NoCD crack for them.

The games run SO much better without the CD!

Too many games I have have problems with SafeDisc or whatever else they use to protect the CD's, and it slows the loading time and can cause problems with gameplay. I've had some games crash to dekstop more often not due to the copy protect.

Even a game like UV runs a lot better without the need for the CD in it each time.

Yes, I know pirates will get the full game from someone and then crack it so they can play it, but patchs usually (or should) require the CD in the drive. And that's fine with me -- it's quite understandable being asked to prove ownership now and then.

But it does make me wish for the old DOS days when all I had to do was keep the manual handy.

(and I used cracks on my leagaly owned games then, also)

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:19 am

In today's age of advanced incredibly powerful machines, it seems odd how software is such a pain to protect. Can't someone think of a way to verify you actually own that software?

For those that are not actually aware, Safedisk works by intentionally, yes, intentionally dumping bad sectors, garbage, and all manner of crud on the cd.

The initial portion of the cd is rife with junk that is all but unreadable to programs that copy cds.

It's no wonder artificial intelligences are so pathetic for computers, when the best software makers can think up, is cram heaps of crap on the cd to thwart thieves.

I'm not much of a fan admittedly of no cd cracks. But that is primarily, due to the simple fact that no cd cracks are basically just a tool of the dishonest more so than the honest. Don't get yer hackles up, I ain't accusing anyone here. But I have seen to many people use no cd cracks for dishonest purposes (I ain't making this up).

Software needs a different solution. Some way to verify, yes you bought it, without really requiring the cd in the drive.

Don't get me wrong, I really hate having to run the cd to play the game. It produces wear and tear on the drive.
I don't mind the 10 seconds out of my hectic schedule to load a cd, but I would rather extend the life of the drive by only using it when I really need to use it.

I have no brilliant ideas at this time. If I did, I would be fairly rich really fast I suspect.

Colonel von Blitz · Post by **Colonel von Blitz** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 8:26 pm

Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
I mean really, I can't see any justification for no cd options at all.

Here is one justification, for example: Grand Prix Legends, the reprinted 'cheap' version. If the game was upgraded, the copy protection system no longer indentified the original CD as original and the game failed to run. This was fixed by issuing official NoCD patch.

Colonel von Blitz

Les_the_Sarge_9_1 · Post by **Les_the_Sarge_9_1** » Thu Dec 19, 2002 9:02 pm

Col. that sounds like the fault of the person re releasing the software but not much else.

If I make a program, sell it, then some day later, its bought from me and re released by another, if they don't release it the way I produced it, then it is their headache if the software no longer works.

And if a consumer buys an aftermarketed version that is not capable, then they have reason to be angry at being sold software that is non functional.

But the trouble is this.

It takes a lot of effort to make software. It takes a lot of money to produce it. It takes almost no effort to steal it. Anything that comes between the theft and a sale is a good thing. Anything that aids a theft is a bad thing.

I doubt no cd software is the right idea to safe guard the software. I doubt there currently is any good way to safe guard the software.

The average person will no doubt realise that almost anything can be fraudulently copied.

Am I sympathetic with software creators ...yes.

Am I willing to do whatever, to ensure their copyright is protected... almost entirely.

Do I expect to see any solution appear any time soon...no.

denisonh · Post by **denisonh** » Fri Dec 20, 2002 5:27 am

Sales is the message to the developers to make more games of that kind.

Without income, the software developers disappear. And so do the games to steal.

Since Matrix is back on track bringing games without the corporate crap, until there is a better way, I'm with Sarge on this one.