Pelton(GHC) vs smokindave34 Turn 211 Game Complete DRAW

[HITMAN202]

Pelton, I don't have a feel for the changes in German unit strength, movement, and command control versus the changes in Soviet unit strength and fort construction per 1.08, but what I see in AGC turn 12 is foreboding for smokindave.

He is an outstanding Ruskie player (and German) and to see what you're achieving by turn 12 with Leningrad in your hands is impressive.



I think WITE victory conditions need to change. A draw is VP's twix 40-141 and that is a huge range... does it means a 20 hexes spread or so east/west ??? I think some point system based on geographical conguests and military strength/losses at specific points of the game (as in the scenarios) would be best. I would oppose points rewarded based on the quality of AAR trash talking. My humility keeps me from saying who stands foremost in that category. Sillyflower would agree..

[Wuffer]

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202
... but what I see in AGC turn 12 is foreboding for smokindave.

me too, two Panzerarmies unopposed in the open. A heap of ARM already kaput, LG and Tula gone, Sevastopol and Rostov in the making... now it's getting really critical.

But we need a lot more data before even considering this patch imho.

[Peltonx]

Smokendave is good as SHC, but Saper is clearly the best I see playing other then Katza.

The big difference is Saper is still managing to counter attack 3 or 4 times per turn and his over all CV levels are better.

Saper was far weaker in the south.

Most SHC players have way way to many units in the south for zero reason.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

Pelton, I don't have a feel for the changes in German unit strength, movement, and command control versus the changes in Soviet unit strength and fort construction per 1.08, but what I see in AGC turn 12 is foreboding for smokindave.

He is an outstanding Ruskie player (and German) and to see what you're achieving by turn 12 with Leningrad in your hands is impressive.



I think WITE victory conditions need to change. A draw is VP's twix 40-141 and that is a huge range... does it means a 20 hexes spread or so east/west ??? I think some point system based on geographical conguests and military strength/losses at specific points of the game (as in the scenarios) would be best. I would oppose points rewarded based on the quality of AAR trash talking. My humility keeps me from saying who stands foremost in that category. Sillyflower would agree..

Leningrad turn 12 is really not that uber and same for Moscow.

I only lose to the best, but the real question is how are the good players doing vs other good players?

[super_falco]

Hi Pelton I follow all your games, I think you are a very good player. I still have doubts about how to use the FBDs to maximize its efficency. I usually follow this paths:

-FBD AGN: Riga-Pskov-Luga. After reach Luga I send it to connect the north line with Velikie Luki line.
-FBD AGC north: Kaunas-Vilinius-Daugavpils-Velikie Luki-Moscow.
-FBD AGC south: Brest Litovsk-Baranovichi-Mogilev-Tula.
-FBS AGS Ukraine: Lvov-Proskurov-Cherkassy-Kharkov-Kursk-Voronezh.
-FBS AGS Romania: Kishinev-Odessa-Nikolaev-Zaporozhye-Stalino-Rostov.

It´s that right?

[hfarrish]

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[Disgruntled Veteran]

ORIGINAL: superfalco

Hi Pelton I follow all your games, I think you are a very good player. I still have doubts about how to use the FBDs to maximize its efficency. I usually follow this paths:

-FBD AGN: Riga-Pskov-Luga. After reach Luga I send it to connect the north line with Velikie Luki line.
-FBD AGC north: Kaunas-Vilinius-Daugavpils-Velikie Luki-Moscow.
-FBD AGC south: Brest Litovsk-Baranovichi-Mogilev-Tula.
-FBS AGS Ukraine: Lvov-Proskurov-Cherkassy-Kharkov-Kursk-Voronezh.
-FBS AGS Romania: Kishinev-Odessa-Nikolaev-Zaporozhye-Stalino-Rostov.

It´s that right?

I've always thought it better to double up the Southern 2 and the Center 2 to get the rails moving faster. Also switching as many construction Btn's to AG to assist in rail repair.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: hfarrish

ORIGINAL: Pelton

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

Pelton, I don't have a feel for the changes in German unit strength, movement, and command control versus the changes in Soviet unit strength and fort construction per 1.08, but what I see in AGC turn 12 is foreboding for smokindave.

He is an outstanding Ruskie player (and German) and to see what you're achieving by turn 12 with Leningrad in your hands is impressive.



I think WITE victory conditions need to change. A draw is VP's twix 40-141 and that is a huge range... does it means a 20 hexes spread or so east/west ??? I think some point system based on geographical conguests and military strength/losses at specific points of the game (as in the scenarios) would be best. I would oppose points rewarded based on the quality of AAR trash talking. My humility keeps me from saying who stands foremost in that category. Sillyflower would agree..

Leningrad turn 12 is really not that uber and same for Moscow.

I only lose to the best, but the real question is how are the good players doing vs other good players?

I put (and I suspect many others put) games on hold for the new patch. The whole replacement thing with units on the frontline dropping to 60% strength and staying there unless rotated out had like less than zero appeal to me. Until that is fixed we may not see that much in terms of new testing.

Saper only had 1.8 million in loses and smokendave will have less then 2 million

HQBu has been nerfed heavly and the days of 3 million + SHC loses are long gone.

[M60A3TTS]

Anything new with this one?

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Anything new with this one?

Going slow on daves end, hes doing turn 15 I believe.

[Peltonx]

Turn 15 GHC Armaments: 79,000 VP:227


Armament Pts Destroyed = 89
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Total dead:1,872,000 Russian losses this turn: 68,000
Russian OOB: 4,897,000
A net gain of: 68,000
Russian units currently in a pocket:
GHC OOB: 3,463,000 ——- Ready Rifle Squads:
GHC net OOB change: +7 ,000
Lost Vehicles to all causes: 214,000

Air War

Ratio last turn: 1.5 : 1

GHC loses: 173
SHC loses: 273

Total GHC loses: 844
Total SHC loses: 8446

HQBU’s

This turn: 2
Total = 15


Leningrad fell and I am close to Moscow, but did not take it during summer.

We are doing mud turns

[Peltonx]

Rostov fell and industry.

[Peltonx]

I am close to Moscow but don't expect to take it during snow.

[Peltonx]

KIA

[Peltonx]

OOB

[M60A3TTS]

Dave's loss of 90 arms looks bad. Not a "game over" situation by any stretch, but that was too much. Soviet players shouldn't let an opponent get the arms at Rostov.

[Peltonx]

Blizzard starts.

North of Oka

[Peltonx]

South

[Peltonx]

KIA

[Peltonx]

OOB