Fall Gelb

[Orm]

Does the Slovakian MIL exist in MWiF?

Isn't that a city based volunteer? If it is then it is not available yet.

[Jagdtiger14]

I would rather not deal with the mess in Denmark if I'm Germany. If I'm CW, the units I might send to Denmark (if open) would not be units I would send to France/Belgium anyway.

As CW I believe in a very heavy commitment to France/Belgium. I move the CW HQ from Egypt to France.

[Jagdtiger14]

I didn't think the Slovakian MIL was a city based volunteer, but I could be wrong on that, and I cant look it up.

In my face to face games that unit was involved in or near Poland.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

I would rather not deal with the mess in Denmark if I'm Germany. If I'm CW, the units I might send to Denmark (if open) would not be units I would send to France/Belgium anyway.

As CW I believe in a very heavy commitment to France/Belgium. I move the CW HQ from Egypt to France.

I was not thinking about land units. I was thinking about transport capacity. Every TRS used to send a unit to Denmark is one unit less in Belgium until CW regain their transport capacity.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

Just out of curiosity...probably for another separate thread....looking at the options not taken (not that these pertain to Fall Gelb):

Options not used, and why (I thought everyone played with these): Frogmen? Partisan HQ's? Guard Banner Armies? City based volunteers? Convoys in Flames? Synth plants? Forts? Supply units? Limited supply across straits? Emergency HQ supply? Carpet bombing? Kamikazes?

Some that my group plays with, but might not be popular with some: Bounce combat? Enroute interception?

Perhaps some of these listed are not yet available in MWiF?

All the ones I bolded above are not yet in MWiF.

[brian brian]

Composer99 figured out what the Polish goal should be - survive into 1940 to put ZoC on German units, let the Nazis take the coal. Should be do-able with their MIL and reinforcing INF due to appear on the 2nd turn, helps if using Off City Reinforcement - a lot of fine tactical detail needed. Keeping a Baltic port might be a nice side line ...

If the German Tank-Destroyer went to Frederikshavn by itself I think I would dedicate one CW TRS mission to take it out even with all the Panzers in Belgium. Tough call. A 2nd TRS mission could then move Gort to France, maybe walk a tight-rope holding Frederikshavn with the CW Infantry division (handy loss taker in event Gort rolls really bad anyway). I usually put all 4 CW TRS in England to start, and the ATR can sometimes make that into 5. Royal Navy access to the Baltic could help keep things interesting.

This German strategy is best explored on the computer. Sorting out a few hundred counters just to have the Weather turn up a 9 or 10 - well, we could just flip coins instead.

MWiF keeps it more interesting for the Allies with the chance of the USA pulling 2 "5" chits.

[Jagdtiger14]

Can we get a consensus on these options? I'm in favor of using them all as my face to face group plays with all these. If you are against, please state why[:)]

- City based volunteers (if the Slovakian MIL is a city based volunteer, it will be used in Poland)
- Synth plants
- Forts
- Supply units
- Limited supply across straits
- Emergency HQ supply

[Jagdtiger14]

As for the available TRS: How many agree with me there should be a TRS made available to transport Wavell from Egypt to France to increase CW commitment possibilities?

If I'm CW, I leave Denmark alone because I'm more interested in getting units into Belgium/France.

On the 3rd German impulse Germany rails a GAR to Frederickshaven and Copenhagen.

I believe in a very strong CW commitment to France. Anyone disagree?

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

Can we get a consensus on these options? I'm in favor of using them all as my face to face group plays with all these. If you are against, please state why[:)]

- City based volunteers (if the Slovakian MIL is a city based volunteer, it will be used in Poland)
- Synth plants
- Forts
- Supply units
- Limited supply across straits
- Emergency HQ supply

warspite1

There was a separate thread or two on Optional rules. I can't find it at the moment but can I ask that this be moved to there or a new thread please? Just so this thread doesn't get too confusing for me in my frail dotage. Thanks [:)]

[brian brian]

One way to get Wavell to France is to re-org a TRS in Brest after delivering Gort, then deliver Wavell during Return-to-Base or at beginning of Nov/Dec. But it is also good to do this with the Queens so they can set sail for Australia to pick up the Sydney MIL in Nov/Dec.

If Wavell is on the Marseilles front he is a little safer from Axis air strikes, high combat power German units, and has good extraction options. The main thing is to get his four re-org points into France.

But I do like sending him to France and let the W. Allied navies block Axis supply in the Med before the Axis can bring lots of air power to bear.

[Orm]

- City based volunteers (if the Slovakian MIL is a city based volunteer, it will be used in Poland)

This option is not yet available.

[Jagdtiger14]

Orm, above in post #45 Paul seems to indicate that it is available.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: brian brian

One way to get Wavell to France is to re-org a TRS in Brest after delivering Gort, then deliver Wavell during Return-to-Base or at beginning of Nov/Dec. But it is also good to do this with the Queens so they can set sail for Australia to pick up the Sydney MIL in Nov/Dec.

If Wavell is on the Marseilles front he is a little safer from Axis air strikes, high combat power German units, and has good extraction options. The main thing is to get his four re-org points into France.

But I do like sending him to France and let the W. Allied navies block Axis supply in the Med before the Axis can bring lots of air power to bear.

If I were Italy and saw Wavell sitting on a 4-4 TRS in the East Med, I would instantly DoW and make it my life's work to see him and his transport resting comfortably in Davy Jones locker.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

Orm, above in post #45 Paul seems to indicate that it is available.

Paul missed that one. No need to rub it in. [;)]

[Jagdtiger14]

I wouldn't pick up an HQ and let it sit on a TRS in a sea zone. It doesn't have to be conducted all in one impulse.

As Brian suggests...transport Gort, re-org Queens, however next...send Queens to Egypt port...next impulse send Wavell to Marseilles (or other French Med port without French ships in it), re-org Queens, send to Australia.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Jagdtiger14

3 ARM: Achen, Cologne, Frankfurt.
1 MECH: Karlsruhe
2 ARTY: Forward most clear hex, other than the 2-6 sp gun...put that on the Danish border to run to Frederickshaven.
Rundstedt: Remagen hex.
Bock: NE of Remagen (forest) hex.

Saarbrucken needs a unit.

Be prepared to rail GAR units to Frederickshaven and Copenhagen asap.

Does the Slovakian MIL exist in MWiF?

warspite1

There are two - not three - ARM.

I have placed as requested. The two DIV's are at Kiel.
To the right are the remaining units to be placed. Please let me know where. The MECH is in Karlsruhe and cannot move - if you want the 4-1 GARR to be railed to Copenhagen - until that is done.

[Orm]

May I suggest that Saarbrucken and Aachen is empty and that the four best reserves are placed there and then reorganized in time to invade Belgium?

[brian brian]

The Queens can't move Wavell though, is a sticky part. Delivering an HQ-A via the Return-to-Base step can only be done if the Italians have committed their fleet for the most part, which can happen. It's a risky way to do it. But I think it is OK for Wavell to arrive in November, in time for the CW REServes to land in France. To do that a CW TRS does have to Return to Egypt somehow, if one didn't start there, which means delivering something to France via the Bay of Biscay.

The Axis can win quick in France with this strategy. They can also bog down with a partially open Baltic, an unconquered Poland, a menacing Russian deployment, and a high US Entry.

The Germans can seal Denmark completely with the use of 3 motorised divisions.

[Jagdtiger14]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about the Queens transport limitation. Then use the TRS with the greatest range. I would start with a TRS in Egypt if possible.

[Jagdtiger14]

I agree with Orm about leaving Saarbrucken empty for reserves: Saarbrucken= 8-4 MOT, 6-3 INF. Clear coal hex on Netherlands/Belgium border (reserves plus ENG)= 8-6 Mech, 9-4 INF, ENG div. The 5-4 MOT with the SP ARTY on the Danish border. The 3-1 GAR SW of Stuttgart, 5-1 and 4-1 in Stuttgart (the 4-1 should be railed to Copenhagen when possible). 7-4 MOT with 3ARTY, 1x7-4 INF, AA ARTY with 4ARTY. Alpine unit in hex just to west of Frankfurt. 6-4x2 INF in hex west of Bremen.

What div's are available for breakdown purposes? Reserving a 5-3 INF for this purpose, possibly the 5-4 MOT which then will be replaced with something else on the Danish border.

Available for Poland: V. Leeb, 7-4 INF, 7-3 INF, 6-4 INF, 6-3 INF, 5-3 INF, 4pt FTR, Do17E, Do17M, reserves to Poland: 5-1 GAR, 4-1 GAR, 5-4 INF(not positive about this one yet).

Air: NAV in Lubeck, FTR3 in hex SW of Bremen, Ju88 in hex SW of oil, ATR in oil hex, 5pt FTR(E4) in clear resource hex on Neth/Belg border, 5pt FTR(E2) in clear hex west of Frankfurt, Stuka in Frankfurt, Stuka in forest hex SE of Frankfurt.

Naval: Everything in Kiel except AMPH, TRS, cp's...put those in Konigsberg.