I feel like a Beta Tester

[TDefender]

"P55: Delayed movement is not available in this game." Mmhh is something definitive or you're going to fix it in the future?

[76mm]

I'm not talking about errata, I'm talking about all of the issues (mainly on the AGEOD forum) where people are asking questions about what seem like fairly basic issues after saying something like "I couldn't find anything about this in the manual...".

[Pocus]

Manuals are done by definition using beta version, sometime months in advance, so sadly in this case you are right, the feature 'delay' has been cut out for release. But corps help each others in adjacent regions, so they can support each other even if not arriving exactly in the destination region.

[MarshalAl]

I bought the game 48hrs ago. I've never played an ageod game before but this one looked interesting. Having read this thread I have to say I agree with many of the posts.

1. I've already had several crashes whilst trying out scenarios, despite ensuring I'm on latest version.

2. The tutorials are a joke if they're an attempt to explain game mechanics and how to get started playing the game. The narration is spoken far too fast, and is more of a game commentary than guidance.

3. The manual may detail how the game works (or not, no idea yet). What it doesn't do is explain to a newbie how to get going. Not even sample first turns.

No-one would buy any other product with inherent faults and poor user instruction . Its one of the most frustrating games I've bought, but because the game looks like it has massive potential I'm giving it a chance. For another 48hrs. If I hit more crashes I will be very tempted to give up the game and claim a refund (UK Consumer Rights Act allows supplier one chance at a fix via patch, after which full refund is required). Possibly buying the game if it gets better reports in a years time.

[freeboy]

ORIGINAL: Queeg

ORIGINAL: Pocus

This we did! As you might know, it has been announced at HOW 2015, the Slitherine summer convention, that Ageod will get a new engine in 2016-2017. This engine, named 'Archon Engine' is developed internally in Slitherine-Canada (even if that is not an official designation [;)] ).

That's great to hear! I'm all for anything that makes your life easier and helps you continue to produce great games.

now a dream come true.. introduce backward compatibility to older titles with teh new engine...

[pzgndr]

ORIGINAL: Pocus
Manuals are done by definition using beta version

Electronic pdf manual updates could/should be provided in the official patch releases to keep up with changes. Editing the source document, saving it as a pdf, and including it in the patch build is pretty easy to do these days. Frankly, there is no good excuse for 21st century game developers to not do this.

[freeboy]

so, I have split my ageod games.. some of these are great.. first BOA and some tragicly unplayable boring PON etc...

After these patches do folks here fin WON a playable game ?

and

Is it easily played as a two player game?

Thanks ... not trying to high jack but think its relevant to the title.... feeling like a bete tester etc ..
again thanks for any helpful answers

[76mm]

Electronic pdf manual updates could/should be provided in the official patch releases to keep up with changes. Editing the source document, saving it as a pdf, and including it in the patch build is pretty easy to do these days. Frankly, there is no good excuse for 21st century game developers to not do this

+1

Especially when the game engine is as mature as this one supposedly is.

[morganbj]

ORIGINAL: 76mm

Electronic pdf manual updates could/should be provided in the official patch releases to keep up with changes. Editing the source document, saving it as a pdf, and including it in the patch build is pretty easy to do these days. Frankly, there is no good excuse for 21st century game developers to not do this

+1

Especially when the game engine is as mature as this one supposedly is.

I'm convinced is not the engine itself, rather it's the script system. When there are errors in the scripts it causes the engine to do something that forces the crash.

[Omnius]

I just had a fatal CTD playing a simple version of Sealion with the latest March 24, 2016 beta patch. I played each side as human by saving the game before exiting to the main menu to load it up as the other side. I only moved units around London and the French transport fleet to pick up the two corps in France and order them to land in Dover. I had Napoleon on London winning a defensive battle after winning a offensive one the prior turn. He was besieging London. After resolution the game bombed on me fatally, none of the other prior two turns would load.

Very disappointing that such a simple test turned out so tragically. I sure hope the game gets stable soon as I want to play the historical 1/1805 campaign solo PBEM. It looks like I'll wait until there's another official update before trying any game that's critical. The saved game file system is really atrocious! We can't change filenames in game even though there's a command line that says so.

I did my duty posting the files and a bug report in the tech support section. I had to laugh at seeing a reply by a top AGEOD official telling someone on the AGEOD forum that the 3/24/2016 patch was safe, what a joke! I keep having small CTD issues and am disappointed WoN is not ready for prime time.

[kev_uk]

It is buggy, but there is good potential within the game. I remember with RUS it took time to get the patches out, and I was using AI mods on that game that added to its appeal. I have faith in Ageod,the game actually is great and very historical if you can cure the CTDs (I did, check the tech support forum - mine works now). Give it time - patience is a virtue, esp. making a game so complex for probabaly such a niche market. Oh, there is a GC mod called Enhanced Diplomacy - the person working on it is trying to make WoN more interesting and workable.

[Omnius]

I saw your post on the tech support forum. I too have an SSD and hope that I don't have to do the same trick of installing on the SATA drive.

[warspite1]

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[kev_uk]

That is interesting if it was my low-space SSD, my audio drivers being not compatable for a 64 bit system, or something to do with Windows 10 Defender and Firewall - I added exceptions to those, installed on my storage SATA drive (with a ton more space) etc. But whatever, it does not crash anymore, but it still lags on a 4GB Nvidia GTX960. But managable. Maybe it is to do with the Win10 admin permissions, etc. I have no idea.

[Omnius]

I just found and reported a very nasty bug that causes French corps to disappear from the map due to a faulty displacement feature. Playing as France against the Artificial Ignorances to learn how the game works I got to where I had Wien caputured along with most every city south and east of Wien and was wondering why the Austrian AI wasn't responding to my peace offers.

I then found the Treaty of Pressburg decree so activated that. I still wasn't getting any reaction from the Austrian AI so decided to play Austria after saving the game. I found Austria has a Treaty of Pressburg decree as well so activated it and saved the game so Austria would take a peace offer.

Next turn Wien is back to being Austrian and Nappy and some corps at Wien were magically displaced to Passau in Bavaria along with a corp at Linz. A corp at Memingen also was displaced into another region of Bavaria. However all of my corps south and east of Wien in places like Graz just disappeared, they weren't displaced anywhere. What happened to the 24 turn right of passage to allow for victorious units to exit the recently conquered country?

Of course there are multiple CTD's where I have to go back a turn, so I make sure to always save before ending a turn.

I have a new super fast gaming computer that seems to be a waste on AGEOD games and the obsolete game system that ignores the existence of Windows 10. I have to run the game in Windows 7 emulation mode and even though I have the game exe running as the administrator I get error messages suggesting I do that.

This game should not have been released yet, it's still a very buggy beta perversion!

[Omnius]

kev_uk,
Have you tried running in Windows 7 compatibility mode? That's what I'm doing on my new super fast gaming computer. I'll have to delete my game and reinstall it on my SATA drive too as it appears that SSD's are just too fast or modern for this ancient, obsolete game system. I'm really disappointed that it won't properly in 4K.

[kev_uk]

I did learn a lesson that to get the territory, use the Decree to make peace with Austria. I have tried using the diplomacy screen making peace, but I never received Venice etc. I agree, it is not that clear. I am using a mod found over at the Ageod forums called Enhanced Diplomacy which so far has been proven to be better at a lot of things. But I would try and get those CTDs fixed. I think it could well be Windows 10 baggage, but I have no idea.

[kev_uk]

ORIGINAL: Omnius

kev_uk,
Have you tried running in Windows 7 compatibility mode? That's what I'm doing on my new super fast gaming computer. I'll have to delete my game and reinstall it on my SATA drive too as it appears that SSD's are just too fast or modern for this ancient, obsolete game system. I'm really disappointed that it won't properly in 4K.

Nope, I have no problem with the game apart from lag now. It works. It is deep, finding it fun, I get a good feeling when I turn the flanks as Napoleon against the Austrians, and now I am slaughtering the Prussians. Check your Decrees often, and read the messages after each turn. Good luck.

[Omnius]

Pocus,
About time you at AGEOD get with the new times with Windows 10 and those of us with SSD drives and 4K monitors. I'm really not impressed with WoN, way too buggy for my new super fast gaming computer. Looks like I've got to uninstall the game on my SSD and install it on my SATA drive.

I'm really miffed that the 3/24/2016 patch causes so many CTD's. I'm also peeved at finding a nasty Treaty of Pressburg bug that causes a whole slew of corps to be disappeared instead of properly displaced, mainly in all cities south and east of Wien around places like Graz. I had just done a plunder in the Selj region and the next turn my corp and the town disappeared even though the corp wasn't in the town. It disappeared with the Treaty of Pressburg decree.

I'm also disappointed that Athena is just as ignorant as it was in Napoleon's Campaigns, I've seen no improvement whatsoever between the two games. Why can't you give us Hotseat Mode and cut out the Artificial Ignorance altogether? I absolutely detest having to deal with the abject ignorance of Athena and wish we could conquer minor nations like in other Napoleonic games so we could get rid of the AI. I wish we could just control the minors the way we can in other Napoleonic games.

A real shame that WoN wasn't done in the new system, one can only hope you'll convert it for free after puking out this pathetically not finished game.

This is the first AGEOD game I bought since Napoleon's Campaigns which I found wholly disappointing and I'm thin king that WoN will be my last AGEOD game unless WoN gets dramatically improved.

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: Omnius

.... Why can't you give us Hotseat Mode ....

you do know you can do this ... and very easily?