VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome)

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Bleh I sux at this. posted wrong. (And I am supposed to be leading a crusade and can't even post correctly, sheesh)

[lowsugar]

Looking forward to see north and centre.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: lowsugar

Looking forward to see north and centre.

going to be a little bit since I still have to practice my Center move to make sure I get the moves correctly done. I'm almost done there but I can't have a slip up. It isn't as bad as the Souths but can be nerve racking.

Still to come are 2 more sets of "Dive Bomber" mayhem yet to come(pin a medal on their chest). Along with the level bombers which have yet to be used (except for one airbase attached to Luft 4.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

OK, back to the real game. Now for some more "Dive Bomber Mayhem". This time we turn our attention to the North with STG-1 this time. Their job is a little bit easier with only 4 airbases needed to be "exterminated". Without further ado here are our lightweights compared to STG-77.

[lastkozak]

HardLuckYetAgain

I don't mean this to be rude or anything I'm just saying I'm going to push these little pixels to the max to get the best benefit from them. EOL (end of line)

Again I'm not trying to be rude

I would not call it being rude, but obviously I struck a nerve!

When one uses the word "you", it implies a direct individual or a group (especially when used as the subject), thus placing the writer in an opposing group. Once that is done, the writer and reader are no longer in the same group, but are in two opposing groups. (Bro Code Tip#1: never a good idea to do in a relationship)

A pre-emptive apology, by declaring one is not attempting to be rude, the introduction of other topics, like another game I am playing with somebody else, and emphasizing a particular emotionally eliciting word in quotations, that are not normally used in such a situation ("exterminate"), and references to a game which the writer and reader are not playing (a fictitious reality), followed by the introduction of past glory (pictures of moves in past games), leaves me wondering what nerve did I strike?

My questions, I believe are valid questions and worthy of discussion, since statistically the Germans have an edge, due to their excessive knowledge and ability to practice their first move. WITE is a "GAME"!!!! With that comes 'gamey play', and a question of how close should such a game come to the reality of the historical period. My main point is, if a German Player is in the position of being in Command of OKH, or are his decisions those of the supreme leader of Germany? If the Supreme leader, then the Soviet player is also, and should be allowed to change their deployment, to compensate them for the excessive recon the Germans have due to playing turn one numerous times. If the German player is only in charge of OKH, and must obey the original plans, then the Soviet is only in command of Stavka on down.

As you have called into question the need for more historical controls via 'house rules', in other posts, it seems odd that you would then say the complete opposite here, now. My comments should not take away your leanered lessons from past games, but I believe my point is valid, a German Player has an edge, because they know all of the Soviet positions, and are better rehearsed than the Germans actually were. The Soviets get none of this advantage on the first turn.

Others say you are a great player; I too think you are very leanered in the game mechanics. However by your own words, you claim that you are not a great player. I believe if you wish to find an answer to that question, then a 1941-45 game should be played where the Germans do not get the edge in their first turn, by either allowing the Soviets to change their deployment a tiny bit (every unit 1 or 2 hexes), or by placing the German units in the same positions they were in historically on June 26, 1941, and starting the game with the Soviets. Thus from there on the Germans are on their own, with no real advantage of the first turn. At a minimum, Army Group 2, has to follow the original plan on Turn 1.

The leader of OKH, would have been shot had he diverged in anyway from the original Barbarossa plan supported by Hitler. If then the player can diverge from that, then the Soviets should be able to diverge from the defense plan which had been supported by Stalin.

If you were victorious in that scenario, you may then see why others on the forum, say you are a Great player!

[SparkleyTits]

I do love the recon psyops [:D]

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Circled in yellow are our 4 bases that have been targeted that these madmen will go after. They will also have fighter support of 1(2 if needed)squadron of 109's from the fighter base circled in red to the NW. Please note that all other bombers & fighters are set to night except for these stukas and 109s. (Makes life easy since only they will show up for bombing each time). The goal is to knock all these bases to 0 planes and still come in under 30% for future ground support.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

I won't get into the bloody detail but all bases knocked out with just a bit of air miles still available.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Still haven't used the bombers for North/Central and most of South so far. Soviet airframes destroyed so far 3,758 to 36 German. Still have one more set of "Dive Bomber/Tactical bomber Mayhem" coming up. But I have to clear a path for that to happen. I just needed the ground support from the stukas to help with the opening

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: lastkozak

HardLuckYetAgain

I don't mean this to be rude or anything I'm just saying I'm going to push these little pixels to the max to get the best benefit from them. EOL (end of line)

Again I'm not trying to be rude

I would not call it being rude, but obviously I struck a nerve!

When one uses the word "you", it implies a direct individual or a group (especially when used as the subject), thus placing the writer in an opposing group. Once that is done, the writer and reader are no longer in the same group, but are in two opposing groups. (Bro Code Tip#1: never a good idea to do in a relationship)

A pre-emptive apology, by declaring one is not attempting to be rude, the introduction of other topics, like another game I am playing with somebody else, and emphasizing a particular emotionally eliciting word in quotations, that are not normally used in such a situation ("exterminate"), and references to a game which the writer and reader are not playing (a fictitious reality), followed by the introduction of past glory (pictures of moves in past games), leaves me wondering what nerve did I strike?

My questions, I believe are valid questions and worthy of discussion, since statistically the Germans have an edge, due to their excessive knowledge and ability to practice their first move. WITE is a "GAME"!!!! With that comes 'gamey play', and a question of how close should such a game come to the reality of the historical period. My main point is, if a German Player is in the position of being in Command of OKH, or are his decisions those of the supreme leader of Germany? If the Supreme leader, then the Soviet player is also, and should be allowed to change their deployment, to compensate them for the excessive recon the Germans have due to playing turn one numerous times. If the German player is only in charge of OKH, and must obey the original plans, then the Soviet is only in command of Stavka on down.

As you have called into question the need for more historical controls via 'house rules', in other posts, it seems odd that you would then say the complete opposite here, now. My comments should not take away your leanered lessons from past games, but I believe my point is valid, a German Player has an edge, because they know all of the Soviet positions, and are better rehearsed than the Germans actually were. The Soviets get none of this advantage on the first turn.

Others say you are a great player; I too think you are very leanered in the game mechanics. However by your own words, you claim that you are not a great player. I believe if you wish to find an answer to that question, then a 1941-45 game should be played where the Germans do not get the edge in their first turn, by either allowing the Soviets to change their deployment a tiny bit (every unit 1 or 2 hexes), or by placing the German units in the same positions they were in historically on June 26, 1941, and starting the game with the Soviets. Thus from there on the Germans are on their own, with no real advantage of the first turn. At a minimum, Army Group 2, has to follow the original plan on Turn 1.

The leader of OKH, would have been shot had he diverged in anyway from the original Barbarossa plan supported by Hitler. If then the player can diverge from that, then the Soviets should be able to diverge from the defense plan which had been supported by Stalin.

If you were victorious in that scenario, you may then see why others on the forum, say you are a Great player!

As I have always said I'm not nor will I ever be a great player. We are always learning.

As for discussing the historical aspect I tell you what. Lets roll a die. Even you win, odd I lose. See you win. Now back to the game as it was agreed upon by M60 and myself

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits

I do love the recon psyops [:D]

Ya, I just don't know how many people ever saw it in my games . Just haven't decided if I will do this time.

[lastkozak]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


HardLuckYetAgain

As for discussing the historical aspect I tell you what. Lets roll a die. Even you win, odd I lose. See you win. Now back to the game as it was agreed upon by M60 and myself

Now THAT! Was Rude![:-]

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: lastkozak

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain


HardLuckYetAgain

As for discussing the historical aspect I tell you what. Lets roll a die. Even you win, odd I lose. See you win. Now back to the game as it was agreed upon by M60 and myself

Now THAT! Was Rude![:-]

Open up a new thread in the War Room with the subject matter and will be happy to discuss it there

[HardLuckYetAgain]

The last group of hodge podge Dive bombers and Tact bombers will take out 4 bases. After these guys are done I will move the bomber bases up and bomb units in the back. Should be able to get over 5k and I"m 100% sure others have a better method than mine. Always open to ideas

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Here are the 4 bases the hodge podge group will go after. Please note that the airbase will have to move 1 hex west after completing the 3 airbases with yellow lines to them. Once done it will start on the last airbase to the SW.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Had to do a conference call . But finally completed the bombing of these 4 bases. Had to use some LB's to finish off one of the bases

Sitting at 4628 Soviets lost to 38 Germans. I should be able to get 200-400 more to be just over 5k. We shall see. Hope this has helped some figure out a different way to get some aircraft kills. Since this is probably my last WITE 1.0 game I figured I would try and help.

*****NOTE****. I'm quickly running out of close aircraft to "exterminate". (I'm sure the shoe is going to be on the other foot soon enough, might as well have a little fun before the ants take down the elephant)

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Time for "TEA and Crumpets"!!!!!! It is my Birthday and my wife wants to go out to eat, lol. Should be able to finish up when I return, hopefully.

[smokindave34]

Slightly off topic.....what's the "13" in your signature line?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: smokindave34

Slightly off topic.....what's the "13" in your signature line?

Figured it is appropriate to go with the name "HardLuckYetAgain" to have the number 13. Plus it is the cabin number of the girl firing the Tommy gun in the photo to the left

[smokindave34]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

ORIGINAL: smokindave34

Slightly off topic.....what's the "13" in your signature line?

Figured it is appropriate to go with the name "HardLuckYetAgain" to have the number 13. Plus it is the cabin number of the girl firing the Tommy gun in the photo to the left

It's all coming together for me now!