Why I won't Buy this game right now.

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noooooo
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ORIGINAL: Adam Rinkleff

This thread is kind of rude, to be honest. The developer clearly intends to add multiplayer and campaigns, so if you want to wait, go ahead. The game is pretty good as is. I spent a lot of time playing Close Combat, and I'm thrilled that someone has finally rebooted this genre. Honestly, games like this don't really need multiplayer. Do you have some loyal friend who wants to sit for hours and wait around while you systematically probe his defenses? I'm happy to let the AI handle that. As for a campaign mode, you could easily create your own campaign by simply rolling a few dice and keeping track of your 'score'. The important thing is that this simulates up to an entire brigade (or more?) at the squad level. The core programming appears solid and stable, and I'm sure lots of additional content will be added over time.

You brought up a good point in your AAR. Once multiplayer is introduced everything will become about balance and no matter what happens historicity will have to take a back seat. So there are some (arguably) good sides of a singleplayer only game.
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As I said elsewhere, there is a difference between constructive critics and self-entitled players that believe the developers owes them something and that they are important in themselves just because they are potential buyers. This drive towards selfishness is why in some games you see extremely toxic communities. And yes, I noticed harshest commentary often come from people who even didn't bought the game in the first place, but I don't really understand the need to be aggressive.

If you don't like the game, it is fine. We are not forcing anybody to buy. No hard feelings. We explained the technical and business reasons for not releasing multiplayer at the moment, same for campaign. Letting your opinion be known is the only way to affect anything, and we appreciate and encourage that. But we expect some respect in turn.

As for the game being pushed prematurely only because of holidays, that is blatantly false. When we signed with Matrix back in January 2017, we were (quite optimistically) expecting the game to be ready in a year, but deadlines were continuously slipping as we kept adding new features. Even this release was initially planned for September, then October, and at certain point we had to stop. 2018 is an important milestone for us as it marks 10 years since this game first got public.
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I do not wanna to open a new topic, so I put it there.

My reason is not MP nor WEGO nor the reason actually I will write here, because I will buy a game next month after I receive paycheck :D

But...NO CZECHOSLOVAKIA? :)

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I know, I know, but Poles are like the 4th largest community in Armored Brigade. And people wonder why we don't have multiplayer.* [:D]

*obscure and awful WoT reference
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ORIGINAL: zakblood

the thread has been reported for moderation as the topic is getting heated and out of hand, if it carries on, it will or may get closed.

just as everyone is entitled to an opinion, doesn't mean everyone else has to reply with there own, right or wrong, in the end it doesn't really matter one way or the other.

my advice is forget it ( what ever side your on) and move on.

only friendly advice,...

take it or leave it, reported and copied all replies all the same and posted,...

As the original poster I was hoping for a civil tone and a good discussion. So far, for the most part, that has been what has happened. The following are the numbers of posts that are quite reasonable and the type you can find on many forums.

Post 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 28, 29, 32, 40, 41

You can add another 4 as seeming to be unrelated to the discussion. So we have at least 75% reasonable posts.
Even the ones that are borderline have not been insulting, nor have posters belittled anyone in a personal way.



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I'm buying this tonight as it is looking awesome. The campaign would be nice, but happy with what is currently on offer.
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ORIGINAL: noooooo
You brought up a good point in your AAR. Once multiplayer is introduced everything will become about balance and no matter what happens historicity will have to take a back seat. So there are some (arguably) good sides of a singleplayer only game.

Yes, multiplayer leads toward competitive play, which encourages balance, which generally leads toward a dumbed down 'quick' event. Working against imbalance and pondering at length is the heart of strategy, but has little place in a fair match. Creativity generally takes a back seat to competition.

I've been playing a larger battle. I am about four hours in, slowly advancing upon a fortified line. It's interesting to me because I am constantly adjusting units and slowly inching toward the enemy line. I still haven't taken an objective, although I finally destroyed a pillbox on the outskirts. I can't expect another person to sit there and wait, but the AI is happy to serve as a punching bag.

Honestly, the AI is undoubtedly better than most of the opponents I would encounter in a multiplayer setting. If you can't tell whether you are facing an AI or a human, then what difference does it make?

So far I haven't seen the AI do any of the stupid things that I would associate with 'bad' AI. I would encourage people to play the game as either a defender, facing a very strong attacking force, or as an attacker facing a strong defense. So what if it makes piecemeal attacks - just give it more pieces! It's not at all easy, and although a campaign would be nice, considering that I'm 4 hours into this battle and haven't even started the fighting, I think it's clear that single battles are sufficiently complex. You can muster an entire brigade (reinforced)!

I honestly think that the generated missions kind of miss the mark, and people shouldn't be judging the game based on the fact that many of them are 'easy'. It's not that they are bad, but you can really create your own missions, and that's where the true value of the game is. Find a forest, or a city, or a river, and make a genuine challenge. This game really lets you create something complex, and that's a lot more interesting than just playing another quick match-up in multiplayer.

Would I enjoy multiplayer against another person? Sure, but a large battle would probably never even get finished, so I'd be stuck with relatively small engagements and to keep it fair we would have to agree to a bunch of house rules that completely take the most interesting aspects of the game away.

Has anybody tried using the time phase option to send save games back and forth for PBEM? That might actually work?
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I am not much for multiplayer in terms of playing a full game online. Most people I know just don't have the time.

I much prefer PBEM. That way there there is no rush and quite a bit of time to mull things over before you return a move.

That is what my preference is in terms of a human opponent. I would like to see that for Armoured Brigade. Wego moves with PBEM.
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No hot seat , so don't think it's possible to exchange saves. One side is always AI.
Enjoy when you can, and endure when you must. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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No hot seat , so don't think it's possible to exchange saves. One side is always AI.

Hopefully that is something they may consider changing in the future.
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ORIGINAL: z1812

Hopefully that is something they may consider changing in the future.

They've already said they will be adding multiplayer and campaign options. It's good that they are focusing on the core mechanics first, otherwise we'd have a multiplayer game that doesn't work very well.
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Personally I never play Campaigns in any game, I prefer short sharp one-off battles because I like to play in the same way I make love- quickly, brutally, decisively- so I don't care if there's no Campaign in a game..:)
And consider this- Developers need a l-o-n-g time to program a campaign into a game, so if there was a campaign in AB the game would probably still be "in development" and not in our hands for another 6 months or more.
Foe example Matrix's Panzer Corps 2 was announced in a thread in March 2017, but now, 20 months later, it still hasn't been released because of the delay needed to incorporate a campaign, and people are getting fed up with waiting so they're buying other games instead.
PS- Likewise, Matrix's Close Combat:The Bloody First has been under development for at least the past 9 months with no sign of a release date yet.

"Fight with your brain first and your weapons second!"
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Great comment man[:)] the best ever

"because I like to play in the same way I make love- quickly, brutally, decisively- so I don't care if there's no Campaign in a game..:) "
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I agree closely with the OP here. The games replay value goes down without a solid base for multiplayer. 15x15km is a welcome challenge at first but I find myself exiting the game midway often from boredom. I hope to see MP, wouldn't mind paying extra for it to support the effort either.
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