After the first turn I run anything (of high value) from Pearl that can move with no danger of sinking to the east and southwest at flank speed.
As a Navy man I hate to run but it's about keeping the bigger picture in mind.
I welcome second and third attacks on Pearl because with CAP the KB will lose pilots will be hard to replace at their level while the U.S. pilots get potential kills over friendly territory, if they get shot down it's a good chance they"ll be back.
This is a great game, take your punches, you'll be able to throw some soon enough.
What the heck????
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RE: What the heck????
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RE: What the heck????
My comments were that the AI was suspect in that it kept hitting PH day after day 6 times in a row (now 7 counting today).
Today I turned off Historical and the Surprise on the 7th and had my PH fleet waiting in the hex the IJN shows up to hit
PH. I did not lose anything from 8BBs, 2CA, 2CL, and 12DDs but 1 DD sunk. IJN lost 1BC, 5DD with 4 damaged CVs and 1 damaged
BC and 5 damaged DDs. This is because you can 'play' the AI since you know what it will do (now 7 from 7 times). Playing
the AI I can move the entire UK airforces from Malaya up to Rangoon and a few days with minimal loses only when they were
on the ground. I can play the AI because the Japanese AI will attack with untold fury its attacks on small single TFs of the
deadly and sinister Harbor Defense Motor Launches... which are quite hard to kill. It will do the same at PH when you put
out some sacrificial ships in single ship TFs while everybody else bugs out.
Now I am not an expert at this game. I have only played it 7 times since I put it in. All these were test games. I did not
cheat and I was still learning the rules and despite all that I was able to stomp on the IJNs foot. I am not smarter then you
fellas. I am, as I mentioned, a LONG time gamer. I run test games to learn the ropes. It was my discovery of the multiple
instances of the IJN hitting PH for days instead of the single historical hit. That I thought was worth talking about but
apparently some here can stand no criticizing of Gary's products which are SUPERB.. or I would not have have been playing them
for about 20 years. This repeated occurrence means every time I start as the US I can do this again in most instances.
Also the WITP-AE did overwrite my pre-AE version. I don't particularly care if you don't believe me. It did. That is
what was upsetting. Most folks don't like years of work destroyed. And I should not have to slide files around for one
game when I am putting in what is essentially a different game. And the attitude of some here is a bit too smug.
Now I apologize for those few who feel an outsider dared come in and question your clique about a game and a game system
I have played for 20 years. That you need to band together and tell each other yeah... this guy doesn't know what he
is doing.. is your problem. Not mine. If you don't like the post move on. If you join in and start shooting well I
will be shooting back. If you have a question or suggestion that would be great. Just don't wrap it in a burrito
of nasty. I care about friends and co-players of this wonderful system not cliques. They are what ruins many forums.
Now I have only played 7 times for just a few turns and am still learning the new system but I can point out issues
with it.. what are you doing? For you few slap each other on the back on how smart you are and move on.
Today I turned off Historical and the Surprise on the 7th and had my PH fleet waiting in the hex the IJN shows up to hit
PH. I did not lose anything from 8BBs, 2CA, 2CL, and 12DDs but 1 DD sunk. IJN lost 1BC, 5DD with 4 damaged CVs and 1 damaged
BC and 5 damaged DDs. This is because you can 'play' the AI since you know what it will do (now 7 from 7 times). Playing
the AI I can move the entire UK airforces from Malaya up to Rangoon and a few days with minimal loses only when they were
on the ground. I can play the AI because the Japanese AI will attack with untold fury its attacks on small single TFs of the
deadly and sinister Harbor Defense Motor Launches... which are quite hard to kill. It will do the same at PH when you put
out some sacrificial ships in single ship TFs while everybody else bugs out.
Now I am not an expert at this game. I have only played it 7 times since I put it in. All these were test games. I did not
cheat and I was still learning the rules and despite all that I was able to stomp on the IJNs foot. I am not smarter then you
fellas. I am, as I mentioned, a LONG time gamer. I run test games to learn the ropes. It was my discovery of the multiple
instances of the IJN hitting PH for days instead of the single historical hit. That I thought was worth talking about but
apparently some here can stand no criticizing of Gary's products which are SUPERB.. or I would not have have been playing them
for about 20 years. This repeated occurrence means every time I start as the US I can do this again in most instances.
Also the WITP-AE did overwrite my pre-AE version. I don't particularly care if you don't believe me. It did. That is
what was upsetting. Most folks don't like years of work destroyed. And I should not have to slide files around for one
game when I am putting in what is essentially a different game. And the attitude of some here is a bit too smug.
Now I apologize for those few who feel an outsider dared come in and question your clique about a game and a game system
I have played for 20 years. That you need to band together and tell each other yeah... this guy doesn't know what he
is doing.. is your problem. Not mine. If you don't like the post move on. If you join in and start shooting well I
will be shooting back. If you have a question or suggestion that would be great. Just don't wrap it in a burrito
of nasty. I care about friends and co-players of this wonderful system not cliques. They are what ruins many forums.
Now I have only played 7 times for just a few turns and am still learning the new system but I can point out issues
with it.. what are you doing? For you few slap each other on the back on how smart you are and move on.
RE: What the heck????
[8|]
What's that saying? Same stuff, different day. You're not the first, dude. You'll come around as you get more seasoned. You'll be embarrassed at your temerity.
Or you won't.
Either way - honestly, we don't care. You'll stick around, or you won't. It's not up to us. It's up to your fortitude.
Given how quick you are to jump to the defensive at perceived aggression, derision, and dismissiveness (of which sure, there is some by the more salty old hands), I'm not super confident. But I still dare you to succeed.
Buck up, recruit.
What's that saying? Same stuff, different day. You're not the first, dude. You'll come around as you get more seasoned. You'll be embarrassed at your temerity.
Or you won't.
Either way - honestly, we don't care. You'll stick around, or you won't. It's not up to us. It's up to your fortitude.
Given how quick you are to jump to the defensive at perceived aggression, derision, and dismissiveness (of which sure, there is some by the more salty old hands), I'm not super confident. But I still dare you to succeed.
Buck up, recruit.
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RE: What the heck????
Tooting your own horn over your 20 years of wargaming experience doesn't impress anyone here.
Have 46 years of wargaming experience under my own belt as quite a few others here do as well.
The AI, much like any AI in any game, can be played and broken. Nothing astounding or profound about your having discovered that.
If one wants a decent game against the AI, one simply has to restrain oneself and refrain from playing and breaking the AI.
You can continue bashing the game and become a pariah, or you can curb your tone and receive all the help you need from the veterans here in learning and understanding the game and its limitations.
Have 46 years of wargaming experience under my own belt as quite a few others here do as well.
The AI, much like any AI in any game, can be played and broken. Nothing astounding or profound about your having discovered that.
If one wants a decent game against the AI, one simply has to restrain oneself and refrain from playing and breaking the AI.
You can continue bashing the game and become a pariah, or you can curb your tone and receive all the help you need from the veterans here in learning and understanding the game and its limitations.
Hans
RE: What the heck????
I have both WitP and WitP Admirals Edition; It was 10 years ago that I installed AE, still have the same Hard drive[still have Commodore 64 and a WIN 98 computer to go with my WIN XP and WIN 10 computers], AE did not overwrite WitP. The install process tells you where to install, have changed the directory in the install process on my 8 AE installs[ each mod gets it's own directory].
I have played maybe 30 games against the AI, it is rare for them to sit outside Pearl.
IMHO opinion; I would install AE using a different directory and update to latest version. If the Japanese still sit outside of Pearl for days; I would say you are cursed.
I have played maybe 30 games against the AI, it is rare for them to sit outside Pearl.
IMHO opinion; I would install AE using a different directory and update to latest version. If the Japanese still sit outside of Pearl for days; I would say you are cursed.
"After eight years as President I have only two regrets: that I have not shot Henry Clay or hanged John C. Calhoun."--1837
RE: What the heck????
@ BattleGround.
Your commentary is long and conflicts somewhat based on different starts.
My strong suspicion is as follows.
After Dec 7 / 41 and the initial IJN surprise:
1) You did not "get everything that can fly" into the air.
You did not get whatever fighters are left on CAP i.e. 100% say altitudes between 15K down to 5K
You did not get whatever Bombers are left on "Naval Attack / Search 30% / Rest 0% / Altitude 10K - that present a threat
You did not get whatever search plane are left out on Naval Search 90% Alt = 6K - perhaps use vectors.
2) You are trying to "get out of Dodge"
You are moving ships of all types and kinds out of Pearl Harbor with orders to sail to the west coast.
The IJN KB is "aggressively reacting" to your ship movement
The IJN orders are likely "Naval Attack / Search 30 / alternative Port Attack or Airfield Attack"
Because you keep feeding the lion with (damaged) ship movement - the lion stays to eat
Disband everything and get pierside repairs going. Trust your AA
Your commentary is long and conflicts somewhat based on different starts.
My strong suspicion is as follows.
After Dec 7 / 41 and the initial IJN surprise:
1) You did not "get everything that can fly" into the air.
You did not get whatever fighters are left on CAP i.e. 100% say altitudes between 15K down to 5K
You did not get whatever Bombers are left on "Naval Attack / Search 30% / Rest 0% / Altitude 10K - that present a threat
You did not get whatever search plane are left out on Naval Search 90% Alt = 6K - perhaps use vectors.
2) You are trying to "get out of Dodge"
You are moving ships of all types and kinds out of Pearl Harbor with orders to sail to the west coast.
The IJN KB is "aggressively reacting" to your ship movement
The IJN orders are likely "Naval Attack / Search 30 / alternative Port Attack or Airfield Attack"
Because you keep feeding the lion with (damaged) ship movement - the lion stays to eat
Disband everything and get pierside repairs going. Trust your AA
A People that values its privileges above it's principles will soon loose both. Dwight D Eisenhower.
RE: What the heck????
With KB anywhere north of PH, the only good escape route is to go first south using the shallow inter-island hexes before going east to Panama or close to E map edge before going north to WC USA. Use waypoints to make your doglegs. Expect subs near WC USA, Send escorts to meet unescorted TFs.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
RE: What the heck????
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
[8|]
What's that saying? Same stuff, different day. You're not the first, dude. You'll come around as you get more seasoned. You'll be embarrassed at your temerity.
Or you won't.
Either way - honestly, we don't care. You'll stick around, or you won't. It's not up to us. It's up to your fortitude.
Given how quick you are to jump to the defensive at perceived aggression, derision, and dismissiveness (of which sure, there is some by the more salty old hands), I'm not super confident. But I still dare you to succeed.
Buck up, recruit.
+1
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. Hume
In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche
Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb
In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche
Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb
RE: What the heck????
Tooting your own horn over your 20 years of wargaming experience doesn't impress anyone here.
Have 46 years of wargaming experience under my own belt as quite a few others here do as well.
I'm another one.
It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. Hume
In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche
Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb
In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche
Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb
RE: What the heck????
How many days before another lengthy diatribe?
@OP
There is no clique here. Just a bunch of players who have seen this kind of post before. You're much more interested in conflict than learning, and that is the problem. There are a bunch of great posts here to help you. Have a read of them.
Also, start with a smaller scenario to test the game. Coral Sea would be ideal.
@OP
There is no clique here. Just a bunch of players who have seen this kind of post before. You're much more interested in conflict than learning, and that is the problem. There are a bunch of great posts here to help you. Have a read of them.
Also, start with a smaller scenario to test the game. Coral Sea would be ideal.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: What the heck????
Me too, in fact I'm sad to say that I beat those years hands down, I started with Avalon Hill in 1965. That's almost 55 years ago....damn I'm an old fart.... nothing to brag about.ORIGINAL: rustysi
Tooting your own horn over your 20 years of wargaming experience doesn't impress anyone here.
Have 46 years of wargaming experience under my own belt as quite a few others here do as well.
I'm another one.
I still remember my first Midway game (which I still have) in which I got SMASHED as the US player!!! Been loosing great games ever since.
RE: What the heck????
+infinityORIGINAL: dr.hal
Me too, in fact I'm sad to say that I beat those years hands down, I started with Avalon Hill in 1965. That's almost 55 years ago....damn I'm an old fart.... nothing to brag about.ORIGINAL: rustysi
Tooting your own horn over your 20 years of wargaming experience doesn't impress anyone here.
Have 46 years of wargaming experience under my own belt as quite a few others here do as well.
I'm another one.
I still remember my first Midway game (which I still have) in which I got SMASHED as the US player!!! Been loosing great games ever since.
RE: What the heck????
I started playing in the early 70's , this was my first 'wargame'
I had tons of hours invested into that game, man was it a blast!
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/28321/fran-tarkentons-pro-football
I can't tell you how many times I wished for Paydirt...[:)]by Avalon Hill
I can remember in the 70's in Baltimore when going to ballgames I'd ride by the Avalon Hill store on Charles Street while on the bus always trying to get a look at the games in the window.. Great times!
I had tons of hours invested into that game, man was it a blast!
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/28321/fran-tarkentons-pro-football
I can't tell you how many times I wished for Paydirt...[:)]by Avalon Hill
I can remember in the 70's in Baltimore when going to ballgames I'd ride by the Avalon Hill store on Charles Street while on the bus always trying to get a look at the games in the window.. Great times!
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RE: What the heck????
Do you remember the Avalon Hill approach to marketing? They used humor in their catalogues. It was something like this:
Gettysburg: Two armies vie for supremacy in the fields, farms and ridge lands of Pennsylvania in July 1863. Take command and lead your men to an astonishing victory. Price - An astonishing $25.
Gettysburg: Two armies vie for supremacy in the fields, farms and ridge lands of Pennsylvania in July 1863. Take command and lead your men to an astonishing victory. Price - An astonishing $25.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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I can't tell you how many times I looked over their advertisements while eating lunch.ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Do you remember the Avalon Hill approach to marketing? They used humor in their catalogues. It was something like this:
Gettysburg: Two armies vie for supremacy in the fields, farms and ridge lands of Pennsylvania in July 1863. Take command and lead your men to an astonishing victory. Price - An astonishing $25.
I doubt I was alone.[:)][;)]
Wishing a great Christmas Season to you and the Mrs. , Dan.
"There’s no such thing as a bitter person who keeps the bitterness to himself.” ~ Erwin Lutzer
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"Those were the days my friend we thought they'd never end...." Sounds like a song!ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Do you remember the Avalon Hill approach to marketing? They used humor in their catalogues.
RE: What the heck????
That calls for a picture of the singer!ORIGINAL: dr.hal
"Those were the days my friend we thought they'd never end...." Sounds like a song!ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Do you remember the Avalon Hill approach to marketing? They used humor in their catalogues.
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Mary Hopkins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KEhWTnWvEORIGINAL: BBfanboy
That calls for a picture of the singer!ORIGINAL: dr.hal
"Those were the days my friend we thought they'd never end...." Sounds like a song!ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Do you remember the Avalon Hill approach to marketing? They used humor in their catalogues.
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Please drop the s from her name - we don't want to end up with Anthony Hopkins!ORIGINAL: Zorch
Mary Hopkins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KEhWTnWvEORIGINAL: BBfanboy
That calls for a picture of the singer!ORIGINAL: dr.hal
"Those were the days my friend we thought they'd never end...." Sounds like a song!
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
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What! You mean Mary is not like Keith Richard(s) and Tom Jone(s)?ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Please drop the s from her name - we don't want to end up with Anthony Hopkins!ORIGINAL: Zorch
Mary Hopkins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KEhWTnWvEORIGINAL: BBfanboy
That calls for a picture of the singer!