BARBAROSSA CAMPAIGN AAR by Stauffenberg

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Moscow Weather Manipulation -- A Confession

As I approached Dec 5th I was awaiting the severe weather effects the Wehrmacht had historically endured just as the Russian counter-offensive was unleashed. It didn't happen. Playing ahead 5 turns to observe the weather it was clear the designer had put in variables for this happening--not surprising as I had noted variables in place for almost everything. I wanted historical weather for this play through so I got the data on Moscow weather (in the graph below--posted by a Moscovite on the Axis History Forum), and whenever severe temperatures appeared historically I played turns over and over until I got the needed weather and then carried on. In game terms the adverse effects are extraordinary, ranging from -20 AP and -10 morale, to -130 AP and morale -65. At it's extreme all of those units affected are frozen in place and unable to move or attack, and with greatly impaired defensive values.

Part of the reason for doing this, apart from being very much into historical realism in these projects, was to give the Soviet AI a needed boost for the offensive. If you look closely at the 83.ID insert you will see it is still on Blitzkrieg posture (-25% Def.)--call it the "Hitler Effect." I certainly can't be accused of pushing for a win at all costs.

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The Sting of Defeat

Not really. With German hubris and poor intelligence they got what was coming to them. The Germans under this Halder did better than the historical... but not by that much. Rating it a minor loss, nearly a draw, seems fair to me. I pocketed every Soviet formation I could and in the end the Russians could not even put together a front line south of Voronezh; mind you, if the AI had not gone after Finland so obsessively there could have been a viable front in the radically more important south (like I said it's a Programmed Opponent, not a true AI).

In any case, the next time I try Barbarossa I'll attempt to master the finer points of the game that I no doubt missed on this run through, armed with the exhaustively detailed manual Cameron Harris put together. If I am feeling recklessly stolz und mutig ("proud and brave") I'll notch up the AI difficulty levels.

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A Look Under the Hood Pt 4:
Final Analysis of Halder


The game generates a very interesting pdf analysis of Halder with all sorts of statistics (can't upload pdf files here). Here's part of the appraisal of this alternate Halder:[/size]

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A Look Under the Hood Pt. 5:
Infantry Casualties Beginning to End

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Game Evaluation: My Verdict

All in all a first-rate Barbarossa game, very unique, cleverly done and a gas to play out. In no particular order:

--Supply system excellent

--Combat dynamics good, albeit arcane

--East Front weather modelling excellent, best I have seen

--Political dynamics great, a real challenge

--Map so-so

--Unit presentation average

--Unit game values very good

--AI excellent, one of the best I have seen

--Ability to model the actual history of Barbarossa excellent

--Game manual outstanding. Cameron Harris has put together a book on this (no exaggeration, it's 314 pages) and it's a fine accompaniment to the game.

I give it a solid A, and if the map and unit visuals could have been tweaked probably an A+. Thanks to the modders in the forum (like Davide) for continuing to improve the map and units. Here's my own maxim designing scenarios: "Never underestimate the 'catnip effect' of historical chrome in your work for gaming grognards!" I would redo the map and units, perhaps even using German and Soviet typology on the units as well along the lines of Streets of Stalingrad (SOS), a boardgame classic. I would turn the map into a detailed representation, beautiful and functional.

And if I can be honest, I am ever so slightly tempted to play this out at least once as though I am Reinhardt Heydrich, diehard Nazi, no Geneva convention, and playing it out as the classic bad guy to WIN. As der Führer himself said: “The victor will never be asked if he told the truth.”

But Heydrich was not alive at this point, and to paraphrase a quote attributed to Stalin: "No person = no problem."

And here's the proof that 29th Mtz Div, the Falke-Division, (Falcon Division) made it into Moscow. The following year it would be the first Mtz. division to charge into southern Stalingrad (try out SOS to experience this in detail):
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3.Pz Div 39 Pionier Btn - In Erinnerung (In Memory)

When I eventually post a Soviet AAR I will be sure to post something in memory of the young conscripts on the Soviet side of this god-awful struggle.

But for this AAR it seems fitting to note these 16 young Germans who died "for Greater Germany" fighting on November 28th near Tula (I tracked their division's operations on this day). Their 3rd panzer division was commanded by Model, part of Panzergruppe Guderian. They were all part of the Pioneer btn (combat engineers) in the division.

The two oldest were Feldwebels ("deputy platoon leader") age 27 and 25. All the rest were Gefreiters (private first class) and Pionier Truppen ages 20-22. All of the lower ranks were born after WW I which means their fathers survived that carnage or were too young to have been in it. In typical German fashion their graves were clearly marked (and filmed, this is a still), even in the midst of that winter maelstrom. It is a certainty the Red Army obliterated this grave site soon after and their remains--like so many others in so many wars--will be forever unmarked and unknown.
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Wow. Well that was one of the most enjoyable and immersive AAR that I've read in a long time. Thanks for taking the time and effort. As your new opponent in DC Case Blue, I was furiously taking notes(noting with interest the use of kesselschlacht techniques a disturbing number of times)[;)]. Something about knowing one's enemy. Or words to that effect.

One of my top 5 EF games. For a reason you mentioned, but in my own words..it passes my "Barbarossa yardstick". Can 4.PzGrp reach the Dvina on Turn 1? Yes, it's possible. Can the AGC PzGrp's reach the Vitebsk/Orsha/Dnieper R line by early July? Again, yes. You'd be surprised how many Eastern Front games can't recreate, if so chosen, those basic mechanics. I also noted with interest your comments about the map and would agree with them.

I'm disappointed, though, that you didn't order shock therapy for your Chief of Staff.

I know what you're thinking. Why are you on this forum/FB page instead of doing your turn?

At once Größter Feldherr aller Zeiten !

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I'm disappointed, though, that you didn't order shock therapy for your Chief of Staff.

Read again, he got the treatment alright. And you're welcome, it was a blast doing it.
See you back at the war. You might be in the next Case Blue AAR... ; )
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Congrats on a great AAR! Very well presented indeed - and fascinating how closely your game hewed to history at many points.

And commiserations on your loss. No doubt with a better knowledge of the game mechanics, you can optimise a few things and secure a victory.

I keep coming back to this game, as you say it is a total blast to play!
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Congrats on a great AAR! Very well presented indeed - and fascinating how closely your game hewed to history at many points.

And commiserations on your loss. No doubt with a better knowledge of the game mechanics, you can optimise a few things and secure a victory.

I keep coming back to this game, as you say it is a total blast to play!

Well said Chuck and I agree. Thanks for that.
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That was a really great AAR. Here's to hoping you do a HtH one!
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ORIGINAL: GloriousRuse

That was a really great AAR. Here's to hoping you do a HtH one!
Thanks GR. Right after my first pbem++ with Case Blue I just might.
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Excellent read Staufenberg! Since you seem to be an expert on the topic could you recommend additional games on the Ostfront? I thought about playing Grigsby's but it doesn't really seem to be immersive. Also, how about some good books? I've read a few from Beevor and the newer Ostkrieg book (which I thought was excellent) but would like to hear from someone who is in the know. Thanks!
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Excellent read Staufenberg! Since you seem to be an expert on the topic could you recommend additional games on the Ostfront? I thought about playing Grigsby's but it doesn't really seem to be immersive. Also, how about some good books? I've read a few from Beevor and the newer Ostkrieg book (which I thought was excellent) but would like to hear from someone who is in the know. Thanks!

Thanks for that. Re what books or games, that's like being asked to give a 10-min talk on "India." Re games I've been out of the loop for awhile and others could answer better I am sure. Re books, best to just dig around online or at the biggest nearby city or university library and see what books leap off the shelf at you. I will mention two though: Ostkrieg: Hitler's War of Extermination in the East - Stephan G. Fritz, and Death of the Wehrmacht - Robert M. Citino. Cheers.
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Thanks! I've read Ostkrieg and it's one of the best I've read in a long time. I'll have to look at Citino.
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If you like Ostfront details and statistics you must try some of David Glantz books:

- When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler
- Operation Barbarossa: Hitler's Invasion Of Russia 1941

Also David Stahel is very good:
- Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the East



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Thanks nikdav! I think I will start a Stahel book next.
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Oh David Glanz I have quite a bit from him... very dry but tons of content. Alot of his stuff is privately published and sent around for designers for exact OBs in various battles (him and the inimitable Nafziger, both of whom I have spent way too much money on). I have a stack of maps of his he sent me (want to see how the Germans advanced in Case Blue from their situation maps every 2-4 days on xeroxed German situation maps? Glantz does it all.), especially for the Stalingrad battles. His volumes are definitive in detail with three big volumes about Stalingrad alone. For a scenario designer he is a go-to historian. But you know, Antony Beevor, Berlin: The Downfall 1945 is one of the latest "definitive" recounts of that battle but I still think that Cornelius Ryans's The Last Battle remains a special case--keep in mind he was in there interviewing many of the generals, especially the Russians, close after the final battle to do his work. It's a classic I highly recommend.
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I agree, but i love the hundreds of notes (half book total page) of many Glantz books,
Kharkov,Kursk,Stalingrad, but also the last Operation Don, Belorussia, are a miracle for a wargamer or OstFront student !


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