CS-Continuous Supply question

[Ian R]

Gents, I am not sure what the debate is- it is WAD per the manual:

Ships are put into this system by the player at Osaka, San Francisco, or Karachi, and bases must be specifically set to be
included in the system to receive supplies/fuel or have resources picked up.

[Lowpe]

No controversy, just answering Alfred's question which is a rare treat. Almost always he answers the questions![:)] Can't tell you how many of his posts I have saved, read and re-read.

Task Force 351 is fully loaded and will return to Osaka with its load of resources.

Auto convoy working pretty decently, certainly better than most players think.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

No controversy, just answering Alfred's question which is a rare treat. Almost always he answers the questions![:)] Can't tell you how many of his posts I have saved, read and re-read.

Task Force 351 is fully loaded and will return to Osaka with its load of resources.

Auto convoy working pretty decently, certainly better than most players think.

The moral of the story is that it's not a bug unless Alfred says it is. [:)]

[Lowpe]

And finally task force 351 comes to an end, after emptying her load of resources it disbands into Osaka, the ships that were task force 351 awaiting their next exciting auto convoy mission.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Zorch

The moral of the story is that it's not a bug unless Alfred says it is. [:)]

And what Alfred said was auto convoys don’t take supplies/fuel out and then also bring back resources/oil.

Which, the IJ did not organise in real life*, and the Allies don’t need to do in the game.
[*Empty ships would pass each other going back and forth due to the disdain of the IJ military with respect to dirtying their hands in mere civilian matters.]

[Lowpe]

This is by far and away my biggest experience ever with automatic convoys.

It seems you need twice as many escorts as merchant ships to guarantee all convoys have an escort as no convoy has more than 2 escorts per merchant ship...currently I have 9 escorts and 10 merchant ships allocated. So fine tuning needed.

Safer routes are ordered for task forces and there is no way to choose coast routing.

Compared to doing it manually, there is some fuel wastage in having to traverse to Osaka rather than a closer base.

Once empty, the convoy will not route to a nearby base to pickup resources but will rather head back to Osaka, disband to port for a day and a new task force created if needed.

Pretty confident a task force will deliver supplies and pick up resources if available. I will keep an eye on Task Force 199 delivering supplies to Taihoku where resources are available for pickup.

[Ian R]

Pretty confident a task force will deliver supplies and pick up resources if available. I will keep an eye on Task Force 199 delivering supplies to Taihoku where resources are available for pickup.

Interested to see the result.

Also interested to hear Alfred's prediction.

[Dili]

ORIGINAL: Ian R
And what Alfred said was auto convoys don’t take supplies/fuel out and then also bring back resources/oil.

Incorrect. This is what Alfred said:
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The Auto Convoy system is not built to send out an empty TF. It is not a resource gathering shortcut.

ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Pretty confident a task force will deliver supplies and pick up resources if available. I will keep an eye on Task Force 199 delivering supplies to Taihoku where resources are available for pickup.

Not happened with me, the Auto convoy was sending supply/ fuel in convoys and sending another convoy to pick up resources.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Dili

ORIGINAL: Ian R
And what Alfred said was auto convoys don’t take supplies/fuel out and then also bring back resources/oil.

Incorrect. This is what Alfred said:

The Auto Convoy system is not built to send out an empty TF. It is not a resource gathering shortcut.

[/quote]

I'll leave you to debate the detail with him.

[Dili]

A detail that is big enough that makes it different than what you said.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Dili

A detail that is big enough that makes it different than what you said.

But not inconsistent with the description in the manual.

[Dili]

No.
In fact inconsistent with what you said you posted above from the manual:

Ships are put into this system by the player at Osaka, San Francisco, or Karachi, and bases must be specifically set to be
included in the system to receive supplies/fuel or have resources picked up.

bold mine

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Dili

Not happened with me, the Auto convoy was sending supply/ fuel in convoys and sending another convoy to pick up resources.

The task force should make Formosa with the next turn. There is close to 500K resources sitting in port, so I am guessing the base qualifies as a provider for resources...we shall see.

I am betting that it will deliver supplies and then pickup resources. We will know shortly.[:)]

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Dili


No.
In fact inconsistent with what you said you posted above from the manual:

Ships are put into this system by the player at Osaka, San Francisco, or Karachi, and bases must be specifically set to be
included in the system to receive supplies/fuel or have resources picked up.

bold mine

Dili, you are discussing semantics with a lawyer of 35 years experience. I can only say that sometimes "may" means "shall", and "or" means "and", depending on context. Or, "and/or", which this context may support, given that the manual was a non technical document written by a committee that was not intended to be either transparent or precise.

I don't want to get into a spat, I'm just saying...

[PaxMondo]

I vote wee wait for Lowpe's test, and no matter the result, agree that it is likely to be true 55% of the time, give or take a bit. [:'(]

[&o][&o][&o]

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

I vote wee wait for Lowpe's test, and no matter the result, agree that it is likely to be true 55% of the time, give or take a bit. [:'(]

[&o][&o][&o]

Down to 1300 supplies to offload.[:)]

There certainly could be a random calculation involved in this too. Or it simply could be one of areas of the game the Developers didn't get to fully develop before release.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

I vote wee wait for Lowpe's test, and no matter the result, agree that it is likely to be true 55% of the time, give or take a bit. [:'(]

[&o][&o][&o]

Down to 1300 supplies to offload.[:)]

There certainly could be a random calculation involved in this too. Or it simply could be one of areas of the game the Developers didn't get to fully develop before release.

I'm willing to bet both are in play … Gary is addicted to his random number generator and the devs freely admitted that they had time constraints on a great many ideas.

[Lowpe]

And here we have it, Task Force 199 after dropping off a full load of supplies, is now loading resources from Taihoku to transport them to Osaka.

So auto convoy has pretty much full functioning based on somewhat hidden criteria -- but applied common sense and it works well.

It will send out empty convoys to pick up resources.
It will send out supply convoys and then pickup resources.
It will send out supply only convoys.
A careful player can guarantee that each convoy has an escort.
It will mix tankers and cargo ships into the same task force.

Quite handy, but a little wasteful on fuel for Japan but does reduce clicks.

[Lowpe]

With resources almost fully loaded.

[Ian R]

Sometimes "or" means "and/or".

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

And here we have it, Task Force 199 after dropping off a full load of supplies, is now loading resources from Taihoku to transport them to Osaka.

So auto convoy has pretty much full functioning based on somewhat hidden criteria -- but applied common sense and it works well.

It will send out empty convoys to pick up resources.
It will send out supply convoys and then pickup resources.
It will send out supply only convoys.
A careful player can guarantee that each convoy has an escort.
It will mix tankers and cargo ships into the same task force.

Quite handy, but a little wasteful on fuel for Japan but does reduce clicks.