New Scenario for Testing: CF#3 Rumble in the Jungle

[Vulcan607]

Right was having a look what lynx carried in operation Barras but that was apparently just a minigun I was sure they had one with Tows. I’ve heard lots of stories of them been able to carry rocket pods and 20mm guns but I’ve never seen pictures outside of the lynx 3 demonstrator then again I’ve seen pictures of Wessex gunship that’s got 2 rocket pods what look like m1919 mgs above them and a GPMG or 2 in the cabin so I am inclined to believe it’s possible and that if it actually happened it was with probably during some clandestine work with 657 SQN AAC. oh and a link of the weird Wessex gunship I’ve read a book (Scram!) by the crew of 1 that was in the Falklands it didn’t see action because during an air attack it landed on Ship and it got taken into a hanger. the crew never got it back till after the war! https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205215014

[Gunner98]

[:D]That is a lot of stuff strapped on to that baby! I suppose if you need it for a special mission you can do almost anything.

The problem with TOW is the wires - and the need to be able to see something on the ground at range (up to 3.75Km). Hard enough in Germany, great on the prairies, near impossible in heavy forest. Ohhh and don't fire them across power lines unless you want to see sky rockets in flight! I'm sure every German village would be out of power and phone service within 2 hrs of a unit taking up a defensive position near them.

I see you're spot on about the SNEB on the GR.3. Did you want to put that in the DB thread or would you like me to? I'll put some SNEBs at the base anticipating the change.

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[Vulcan607]

Would you be able to do it? thank you

[.Sirius]

ORIGINAL: Vulcan607

Right was having a look what lynx carried in operation Barras but that was apparently just a minigun I was sure they had one with Tows. I’ve heard lots of stories of them been able to carry rocket pods and 20mm guns but I’ve never seen pictures outside of the lynx 3 demonstrator then again I’ve seen pictures of Wessex gunship that’s got 2 rocket pods what look like m1919 mgs above them and a GPMG or 2 in the cabin so I am inclined to believe it’s possible and that if it actually happened it was with probably during some clandestine work with 657 SQN AAC. oh and a link of the weird Wessex gunship I’ve read a book (Scram!) by the crew of 1 that was in the Falklands it didn’t see action because during an air attack it landed on Ship and it got taken into a hanger. the crew never got it back till after the war! https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205215014

Hi guys,
The average Wessex Naval version could carry AS.12 or SS.11 missiles as well as a door mounted 7.62mm GPMG, RN troop carrying ones had a door mounted 7.62mm GPMG, Army Lynx's at that time had TOW I Believe

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php? ... -variants/https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/440043-westland-lynx-multiple-variants/

[Gunner98]

Army Lynx's at that time had TOW I Believe

Yes they did for sure. However I don't believe they would have had any in Belize considering the mission and the terrain. That is speculation on my part but reasonable I think.

B

[.Sirius]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Army Lynx's at that time had TOW I Believe

Yes they did for sure. However I don't believe they would have had any in Belize considering the mission and the terrain. That is speculation on my part but reasonable I think.

B

I was in Belize in the early 2000's and the Lynx's were mainly waist door guns and HMP 50cal Pods one each side

[Vulcan607]

I do wonder why the U.K. is so reluctant to show non standard weapon fits on its aircraft like the one you mentioned.
Hell it was only a Little while ago I found we still had depth charges for the wildcats and I assume merlin.

Oh and Gunner I think the lynx have Tows in CF1 I seem to remember them being very devastating, if they are getting removed maybe add some 81mm mortars to the infantry sections to make up for the loss

[.Sirius]

ORIGINAL: Vulcan607

I do wonder why the U.K. is so reluctant to show non standard weapon fits on its aircraft like the one you mentioned.
Hell it was only a Little while ago I found we still had depth charges for the wildcats and I assume merlin.

Oh and Gunner I think the lynx have Tows in CF1 I seem to remember them being very devastating, if they are getting removed maybe add some 81mm mortars to the infantry sections to make up for the loss

We used to use MK.11 Depth Charges on shallow setting against "Go Fasts" Off South America who were drug running , the Lynx dropped acouple of hundred yards in front of them to stop them, failing that a Royal Marine in the Helicopter would shoot out the engines with a sniper rifle, the US LEDET unit onboard couldnt believe we could use a depth charge in the ROE !

[Gunner98]

That would have made for a very interesting day [;)]

[Gunner98]

Anything else on this one guys - will try and wrap it up this weekend.

B

[Gunner98]

Ok here is the final. Going to community page.

RAF Hawks (using Kenyan Hawk 52 for now) are in the Bahamas on the way into theatre. Ammo for them is in Jamaica and Belize

[stww2]

Having some difficulty freeing the hostages on this one...I've taken out the infantry surrounding the office building and have had my own units stationed there for probably at least four or five hours so far. Is there something I'm missing?

[Gunner98]

Must be, I can't remember how long you need to be there but it is less than that.

I'll check it out.

Thanks

[AndrewJ]

ORIGINAL: stww2

Having some difficulty freeing the hostages on this one...I've taken out the infantry surrounding the office building and have had my own units stationed there for probably at least four or five hours so far. Is there something I'm missing?

You need to have your infantry units inside the very small zone around the building for 15 minutes for the event to trigger.



Are your units maybe a bit too far away? Or was the building accidentally destroyed?

Edit: Just tried it, and it's working for me.

[stww2]

I've had a unit about 7 meters from the building for some time..but it's considered mechanized infantry (since apparently Carl Gustav equipped units dropped out of helicopters/planes come with APCs? I don't ask questions about CMO's cargo mechanics)...would that make a difference?

[Gunner98]

That might be it. The trigger is set to Mobile_Personnel and the mech unit is probably classified as Mobile_vehicle. I'll change it to any land facility.

Thanks for the catch

[stww2]

Had a Lynx plop some infantry sections next to the building and that solved the problem! Thanks for the help!

[stww2]

Finally finished this one! Final score was 926 (Major Victory). I was able to knock Honduras out of the war, but not Nicaragua and pretty much every listed target in Belize was secured. This was a fun one (granted, I've yet to come across a Northern Fury scenario that isn't enjoyable, but nonetheless). You managed to push the ground aspect of CMO beyond what it has any business modelling, but it seems to have worked out for the most part. Losses and expenditures will go at the end of this post if anyone is curious.

This scenario can definitely be considered a finished product, but if you ever do decide to come back to it I think there's a couple minor things that might be worth addressing:

1) Give the rebel infantry the ability to retake objectives instead of simply fire all their weapons at (apparently) indestructible villages. This would force the player to actually hold the objectives, instead of the current situation where the player can just take the objective once and run away with no consequences.

2) Give points (towards the whatever counter calculates Nicaragua's willingness to fight status) for heavily damaging structures. For whatever reason, the A/C Weather Shelters seem to be almost impossible to completely destroy (I even targeted one with 6x Walleyes, to no avail!). Checking the editor after I finished, most of the ones I had hit were at 99.7% damage.

That's all I can think of. Great job, as always!

Losses and Expenditures:
SIDE: NATO
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LOSSES:
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1x A-7D Corsair II [FLIR]
1x Lynx AH.7
1x OV-10D(+) Bronco
1x AvGas (40k Liter Tank)
2x 7.62mm MG [Cargo]
17x Infantry Section [7.62mm MG/Unguided Infantry Anti Tank Weapon] [Cargo]
2x SpecOp Saboteur [Cargo]
1x P 264 Archer [P.2000 Class]


EXPENDITURES:
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5x RGM-109C Tomahawk Blk II TLAM-C
24x RIM-67C SM-2ER Blk II
3x AIM-9G Sidewinder
19x AIM-7M Sparrow III
15x AIM-9M Sidewinder
9x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
37x AIM-7F Sparrow III
11x AIM-120A AMRAAM
384x Mk82 500lb LDGP
8x 20mm Mk12 x 2 [50 rnds]
38x Generic Unguided Anti Tank Weapon
816x 7.62mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
192x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
108x 40mm/60 Single Bofors Burst [2 rnds]
397x 105mm Howitzer HE
113x 7.62mm M60D Burst [20 rnds]
8x AGM-65D Maverick IR
120x 105mm/37 HE
120x 81mm HE Mortar
79x 20mm M197 Burst x 2 [50 rnds]
112x 7.62mm M60C x 4 Burst [100 rnds]
2x Stingray Mod 0
15x RIM-66J SM-2MR Blk II
14x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
12x 30mm ADEN Mk4 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
36x GBU-15(V)2/B CWW IIR [Mk84]
24x GBU-15(V)1/B CWW EO [Mk84]
108x Mk82 500lb Snake Eye
2x AIM-9J Sidewinder
7x RGM-84C Harpoon IB
3x AIM-7P Sparrow III
8x AGM-65B Maverick EO
24x GBU-15(V)32/B CWW IIR [BLU-109/B]
1x RGM-84D Harpoon IC
110x Milan 2T
215x 84mm Carl Gustav
540x SNEB 68mm Rocket
32x GBU-12D/B Paveway II LGB [Mk82]
6x CPU-123 Paveway II LGB
24x GBU-15(V)31/B CWW EO [BLU-109/B]
6x GBU-10J/B Paveway II LGB [BLU-109/B]
18x High Explosives [C-4]
390x 76mm/62 Compact HE Burst [4 rnds]
62x 20mm/80 Mk67 Burst [20 rnds]
4x Mk83 1000lb LDGP
50x AN/SSQ-77A VLAD
71x AN/SSQ-62B DICASS
60x AN/SSQ-53B DIFAR
4x GBU-10E/B Paveway II LGB [Mk84]
2x Mk46 NEARTIP Mod 5
16x AGM-62A Walleye I ER/DL



SIDE: WP
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LOSSES:
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1x An-12BK-PPS Cub D
4x MiG-23MLD Flogger K
5x Su-27S Flanker B
20x 7.62mm MG [Cargo]
4x SA-18 Grinch [9K38 Igla] MANPADS [Cargo]
4x Spetsnaz Saboteur [Cargo]
1x PL-877M Kilo
1x PLA-671RTMK Victor III [Shchuka]


EXPENDITURES:
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23x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
4x Generic Acoustic Decoy
7x SA-18 Grouse [9M39]
2x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR TSARH]
1x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
13x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
4x AA-7 Apex E [R-24MR, SARH]



SIDE: Honduras
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LOSSES:
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8x A-37B Dragonfly [Super Tweet]
3x C-101BB-03 Aviojet
8x F-5E Tiger II
2x F-5F Tiger II
1x MiG-23BN Flogger H
8x Super Mystere B.2 [Saar Sambad]
1x A/C Hangar (4x Large Aircraft)
19x A/C Hangar (4x Medium Aircraft)
9x A/C Hangar (4x Small Aircraft)
2x A/C Hangar (6x Large Aircraft)
4x Ammo Bunker (Surface)
1x Ammo Revetment
1x Building (Control Tower)
1x Building (Very Large Leadership Compound)
7x Radar (Generic 2D Air Search Radar [Long-Range])
1x Radar (Generic Air Traffic Control)
1x Radar (Generic Surface Search Radar)
1x Structure (Pier [Large, 25.1-45m])
2x Structure (Pier [Very Large, 45.1-200m])
1x Dabur
2x FNH 101 Guaymuras [Swift 105-foot Class]
3x FNH 651 [Swift 65-foot Class, Group 2]


EXPENDITURES:
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6x OFAB-250-270 Frag



SIDE: Nicaragua
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LOSSES:
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12x MiG-17PF Fresco D
22x MiG-21bis Fishbed L
4x O-2A Super Skymaster
3x A/C Hangar (6x Large Aircraft)
3x Ammo Bunker (Surface)
1x AvGas (150k Liter Tank)
1x Building (Airport Terminal)
3x Building (Control Tower)
2x Radar (Generic 2D Air Search Radar [Long-Range])
2x Radar (Generic Surface Search Radar)
1x Structure (Pier [Medium, 17.1-25m])
3x Dabur
1x P 106 Akwayafe [Rodman 101 PB]
1x PSKA Zhuk [Pr.1400M Grif]
1x Sin Hung


EXPENDITURES:
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22x SA-7b Grail [9M32M]
252x 23mm Type 80 Burst [20 rnds]
4x SA-6a Gainful [3M9]



SIDE: Rebels
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LOSSES:
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7x Building (Tents)
7x Container Storage Park
431x Infantry Section [7.62mm MG/Unguided Infantry Anti Tank Weapon] [Cargo]
60x SA-7b Grail [9K32M Strela-2M] MANPADS [Cargo]
3x Vehicle (Truck, Armed Technical) [Cargo]
40x Vehicle (Truck, Unarmed) [Cargo]
2x Civilian Dhow [22m, Armed]
4x Commercial Fishing Boat [23m]


EXPENDITURES:
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25x SA-7b Grail [9M32M]
1020x Generic Unguided Anti Tank Weapon
8708x 7.62mm MG Burst [20 rnds]
240x 120mm Mortar HE



SIDE: Neutral
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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SIDE: NATO Sp
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LOSSES:
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SIDE: Biologics
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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[Gunner98]

Thanks, I'll pop those points onto my fix list.

...which I really need to get to at some point...