An update to the official game map

[Alpha77]

@ Ian R and Markshot: Can you clear up your personal differences per PM perhaps? Does not add to forum..

IIRC Markshot stated that thinks AE is one of his top games, so it seems strange he would "belittle" anyone who tries to add to the game[:)]

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Mark has chosen not to post here for the foreseeable future based on the reception he originally received.

Does that mean we can get Alfred back then?

[RangerJoe]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Mark has chosen not to post here for the foreseeable future based on the reception he originally received.

Does that mean we can get Alfred back then?

+1

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: mind_messing

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Mark has chosen not to post here for the foreseeable future based on the reception he originally received.

Does that mean we can get Alfred back then?

+1

That's up to Alfred. He has not agreed to follow the forum rules, which is a condition for posting here.

Regards,

- Erik

[mind_messing]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: mind_messing




Does that mean we can get Alfred back then?

+1

That's up to Alfred. He has not agreed to follow the forum rules, which is a condition for posting here.

Regards,

- Erik

Hold up, he was banned for a week and that was what, ten days ago? And Alfred hasn't been on since (at least that I've seen).

Was the whole "take some time out, come back with a clean slate and start afresh" line just warm words?

I must confess, I was quite sour about this initially, and now I'm becoming acidic.

Quite a situation indeed - now the community is bereft of two members.

[Andrew Brown]

FWIW I took Markshot's post as being complimentary and have let him know that (and I agree that DOSBOX is great!)

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: mind_messing
Hold up, he was banned for a week and that was what, ten days ago? And Alfred hasn't been on since (at least that I've seen).

Was the whole "take some time out, come back with a clean slate and start afresh" line just warm words?

I must confess, I was quite sour about this initially, and now I'm becoming acidic.

Quite a situation indeed - now the community is bereft of two members.

Please PM me or e-mail me with further questions, let's not hijack this thread.

A condition of registration here and the ONLY condition of returning from a ban is to agree to follow the forum rules. That's all that has been asked of Alfred and he has refused to agree.

You can't post here unless you agree to follow the forum rules, period. This is only the second time in 20 years that I can recall someone being unwilling to agree to that and thus the ban remains in effect.

Regards,

- Erik

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

@ Ian R and Markshot: Can you clear up your personal differences per PM perhaps? Does not add to forum..

IIRC Markshot stated that thinks AE is one of his top games, so it seems strange he would "belittle" anyone who tries to add to the game[:)]

I am not going to answer your query, no offense, but I'll just wave my bat over the travel of the ball and let it go through to the 'keeper.

Erik and I have discussed the situation on PM, and if he wants to publish my views on the topic, I have no objection.

[Andrew Brown]

I have prepared another updated version of this map, which now includes the following fixes/changes:

• The rail line on Shikoku Japan, between Takamatsu (hex 107,59) and hex 107,60 has been removed.
• A minor railway line has been added connecting the railway in hex 106,59 and Kochi (hex 106,60).
• The data for the secondary road between Takamatsu (hex 107,59) and Kochi (hex 106,60) has been corrected.
• A phantom river has been removed from the hexside between hexes 75,128 and hex 74,127 in Australia.
• A phantom river has been removed from the hexside between hexes 211,26 and hex 210,27 in Canada.
• River hexside data added for the river hexside between hexes 90,114 and 89,113 in Dutch New Guinea.
• Mildura (hex 80,164) is now connected by railway to hex 79,165.
• Canberra (hex 87,169) is now connected by railway to hex 88,168.

As always, many thanks to those who have posted corrections and suggestions. If anyone has further suggestions then please feel free to post them here, and I can check them out.

The updated map is available at this website:
War in the Pacific - Admiral's Edition: Updated Official Map

[RangerJoe]

Shouldn't Hong Kong be an island, crossing to it like a river hexside? The Japanese did invade but they did it from the mainland and not from ships. That would make them undergo a shock attack. Also, part of the Hong Kong defenses were on the Kowloon Peninsula with fortifications, I do not know if you want to put that in there for the Commonwealth.

A description of the battle, including a map of he invasion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hong_Kong

[Wirraway_Ace]

Andrew,

again, I can't thank you enough for your continued support of this game!

This may have already been caught, but in hex 70 106 (Kendari), the road shown between Kendari and Kolaka dead ends at the hexside. That is, there is no road in the Kendari hex when displaying the road network and observed movement rates suggest there is indeed no road in the hex data. Is this intentional?

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: Wirraway_Ace

Andrew,

again, I can't thank you enough for your continued support of this game!

This may have already been caught, but in hex 70 106 (Kendari), the road shown between Kendari and Kolaka dead ends at the hexside. That is, there is no road in the Kendari hex when displaying the road network and observed movement rates suggest there is indeed no road in the hex data. Is this intentional?

No that is not intentional. And I did not catch that already, so I will fix it. The secondary road should extend to Kendari from hex 69,106. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Shouldn't Hong Kong be an island, crossing to it like a river hexside? The Japanese did invade but they did it from the mainland and not from ships. That would make them undergo a shock attack. Also, part of the Hong Kong defenses were on the Kowloon Peninsula with fortifications, I do not know if you want to put that in there for the Commonwealth.

A description of the battle, including a map of he invasion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hong_Kong

I am aware of the HK geography, but my concern is what effect that change would have on the game. Given the scale Kowloon is in the same hex as the rest of HK, but you could still add a river hexside to simulate the need for Japan to cross over to HK island itself.

What is the collective experience of when HK falls during the game? I only play against the AI, do nothing to improve the HK defence, and find it falls earlier than 25th December. For others, especially in head to head play, does it usually fall earlier than historically? It would not be a good idea to add the river hexside unless that was consistently the case.

[BBfanboy]

Same for me playing against the AI - if I do nothing to reinforce HK it falls within about three days of game start - i.e. first assault. My biggest beef about this is the poor morale values given the Canadian troops who, IRL, were spirited and well led.

Wasn't there a causeway connecting HK to the mainland? That could pass as a river crossing since it is easy to defend but does not require ships to cross. There should be something that slows up the pace of Japanese advance for a week or two - recovering disabled squads would do that.

[Nomad]

2 scenario 2 PBEM games. First game Hong Kong fell 22 December. Second game Hong Kong fell 14 December.

Just some information.

[Kull]

The reality is that EVERYTHING falls faster, so probably not worth worrying about Hong Kong too much. That said, a river hex or higher fortification levels might delay things a bit. And to the specific question - HK has never held out out until Christmas in any of my (many) restarts.

[Maallon]

Yeah, I also wouldn't worry about HK too much. The base is most important in 12/41, but rarely gets much attention after that.
I think putting a river to HK would make the base much harder to take and the LCUs, involved in the shock attack, would need a lot of rest after that to recover to former strength.
I am especially worried how the AI would handle this situation, it may be possible that HK doesn't fall at all...

If the goal is to make HK last longer in 12/41 I think increasing the fortifications or improving the Allied LCUs in the base, would be a better solution.
But, if a Japanese player should decide to pull more units out of Canton or other nearby bases, HK will fall fairly quickly either way, I would think.

[Ian R]

ORIGINAL: Maallon

Yeah, I also wouldn't worry about HK too much. The base is most important in 12/41, but rarely gets much attention after that.

I completely disagree with that statement.

HK is a level 9 port, with a useful shipyard. It is the crux of the allied overland drive that liberates Malaya/Indochine/southeast China in 1943-early 44. Supplied by rail and primary road all the way up the Asian littoral magic highway from Singapore, it becomes the Allied base driving the sea-air control campaign into the China Sea, where the Asian littoral strategy is prioritised.

Have you never seen that strategy employed?

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Ian R

ORIGINAL: Maallon

Yeah, I also wouldn't worry about HK too much. The base is most important in 12/41, but rarely gets much attention after that.

I completely disagree with that statement.

HK is a level 9 port, with a useful shipyard. It is the crux of the allied overland drive that liberates Malaya/Indochine/southeast China in 1943-early 44. Supplied by rail and primary road all the way up the Asian littoral magic highway from Singapore, it becomes the Allied base driving the sea-air control campaign into the China Sea, where the Asian littoral strategy is prioritised.

Have you never seen that strategy employed?

I took his comment as meaning that attacking HK with heavy bombers would not faze the Japanese much because they don't need to use HK that much. Supply through Shanghai is adequate and there are shipyards at Singapore, Saigon, Pescadores and Shanghai to fix shipping. Of course the Allies would see it as a great strategic base for cutting off SEA from China and for supplying the Chinese, but the context was the Allies attacking HK, not capturing it.

[Lowpe]

Hong Kong has gotten heavy attention and use in all my games...

The presence of rivers can make cd guns and mines ineffective depending how it is done.