And I tought I knew every tactics... :)

[RichardTheFirst]

Vathailos,

OK, I have to give you some justice. At least you present some arguments with some coherence, so let's continue this dance a little while longer.

I do mean what I said, it was no bravado and even with 41 years old I maintain that if you said to me face to face what you said without knowing me from nowhere you would be risking your front teeth, I don't care how many years of army you have. But there's no way we can prove that here so, let's move on.

About pretending you were defending poor MelonHead, do you really think you can convince anyone with that argument? When I said "I don't ” , it was supposed to be a joke. Naaa, you wanted to pick a fight or be arrogant enough and expect this inexperienced Portuguese to put his tail between his legs and chicken out. Confess it: you are missing the days when you could humiliate and harass your unfortunate recruits.

Let me tell you 2 or 3 things:

1st of all: I'm not inexperienced. At least not in SPWAW. You haven't seen me around lately but I know Steel Panthers since version 1, many years ago. Played also version 2 and discovered this forum about 3 years ago. Played many games in version 6.xx till the beginning of version 7.0. Made a lot of friends here and played several PBEM games. My posts are only 400 and so now, but before this site changed used to be way more than 1000. Been out of this community for the last year though. Other travels.

So: 1st mistake you made.

2nd: Did you think you can talk like that because of my nationality? That's even a bigger insult. As you see Portuguese people know how to respond to arrogant bastards like you and do not chicken. Maybe this was good to your general culture in that aspect. Or maybe you thought my English wasn't good enough to understand some fancy words and expressions you used.

Anyway: 2nd mistake.

3rd: what's that talk about me being little or young. I have 41 years old and 1,89m. I have a superior degree. Do you think because I could have some limitations in expressing myself in English that I'm not good enough? What arrogance... and ignorance.

3rd mistake

You made some insinuations because I didn't want to continue the discussion. That isn't due to lack of arguments. That is only due to the fact I don't like you. I'll prove it to you in a second.

4th mistake

Could continue on and on but I'm getting tired of this.

I still don't understand your fixation on man's chests. I believe you are not gay (at least not an assumed one eheh) but you were the one implying that man's virility comes with the volume of hair. You said something about 17 year's old arguments? This one seems like coming from a 10 years old. OK, let’s move on.

Let's get back to the game issue (happy?):

You and many others are saying that crews clearing mines is very distant to reality. OK, I buy that and yes I never had any military experience myself. I'm a war gamer though and I know a little bit about military things.

My point is only degree of mine clearing ability. That's why I mentioned statistics and tests to determine what do they clear and how that varies with experience.

OK, Frank W. says that crews are treated just like infantry in this game and I admit infantry have a lot more clearing ability than crews (alright, alright not "foot soldiers" what about "soldiers moving on their feet"? jezzz what's that obsession with words?)

If that's true, and I believe it is, than that's a limitation of the game engine. If they solved it with the mod, good.

But anyway I maintain what I said: vet or elite crews should have some mine clearing ability gained by combat experience (not being able to clear 3 or 4 mines per turn maybe only 1-2).

That isn't based on personal experience it is based on war-game and reading experience. You don't need to have a degree on Rocket Science to know that a U2 bomb is a rocket.

I think none of the arguments presented here, because they were too much focused on equipment and training, are sufficient to convince me that an experienced crew could not clear some mines. What about improvisation? What about people fighting for their lifes having to solve problems? What, in short, about combat experience? Especially in WWII when arms specialisation wasn't as restrictive as it is today. I do not want elite troops to be able to do anything. Just some things having to do with their field of action. For me this is one of those things.

[VikingNo2]

Not a newbe, noted:D , this will help me prepare for our upcoming battle.

Do you have a country you favor ?

[Vathailos]

I.

First off, I never said I was "defending" Melon. Please, quote me on that. You can't even get that right. I said I was using the same sarcastic tone you had. I am not trying to convince anyone I was defending him, because I never was. Richard's 1st fabrication

II.

I wasn't hoping you'd put your tail anywhere except in your flapping, ignorant mouth. Risk teeth? You're really pulling for that board warrior Purple Heart, aren't you?

My point about chests is not an obsession btw, it's an illustration that you personify. That of an ignorant blowhard, protected by something (friends, distance, rules, whatever), who ACTS tough to cover the fact that his arguments are baseless. He thinks his virtual chest thumping will intimidate the guy across the table. Gorillas do that to try and frighten others, which is why I think it's particularly sad to see a human apeing the ape, so to speak.

When you can't substantiate your claims, you don't challenge someone to a fight over a computer BBS to cover your lack of a valid point. That ignorant, pathetic bravado may work against the little boys on the islands, but I see right through you. I see a weak little fella chest-thumping on the boards to distract attention from his lack of a coherent argument.

Do you think that anyone here gives a crap about your "superior degree", height, or age? You can't argue successfully, so you try and list all these wonderful traits about yourself that you think give your BS assumptions credibility.

I've got two Masters degrees, I'm 6'1", 210lbs, run my two mile in 10:26, and have completed military schools you can only read about. But does that give any credibility to my arguments? No, in fact it's no more than posturing. Fluff.

You behave like a little barnyard rooster puffing up to show off for all the hens around. Right until the farmer comes up and rings your neck and replaces you, because you're impotent.

Thinking your boasting is anything but pathetic posing = Richard's 2nd totally incorrect conclusion

III.

When did I say you were inexperienced with SPW@W? Not once. Quote me saying that, I dare you. Are you so slow, or having such translating difficulty that you can't understand what I'm saying? You're either an incredibly confused, or you don't know enough to shut your flapping lips. And THAT is what I was referring to.

What REAL MINE CLEARING EXPERIENCE DO YOU HAVE? Not in a board game, not in a computer game. I'm talking about putting your hands on real mines. I asked you that, and you failed to answer the question. I suspected that you have ZERO experience, either as a soldier or more specifically with mines. Yet you insist on trying to sell yourself as an expert with your 1000 posts. Your game playing doesn't mean you know jack about reality kid, and you fail to realize the connection, or lack thereof. You sit there and play GAMES and think that gives you knowledge about proper mine clearing doctrine? I'll ask you once more:

How can you say that the mine clearing is simulated "very close too" if you have no experience clearing mines, or knowing who's even trained to clear them?

Answer that simple question. You've failed to so far, only puffing your (hairless or hairy) chest up to show just how tough you are.

You thinking that number of posts or versions of SP played = real-world experience with mine-clearing tactics/techniques is pure ignorance personified, and Richard's 3rd asinine association.

IV.

Where did I address your nationality? I NEVER did, so don't try and play the "racist" angle. You're a dumbass, and I don't care which country you're from. Anyone who speaks out in volumes, holds their opinions to be facts, and attacks others for deflating their egos when they themselves have no CLUE what they're actually talking about is an ignorant ***. Plain and simple.

Welcome to Richard's 4th failure to comprehend.

V.

jezzz what's that obsession with words?

It's called knowing what the "f" you're talking about Richard, before you speak. Here's a definition for you:

foot soldier

n.
A soldier who fights on foot; an infantry trooper.

You don't even know what you're referring to when you speak. It's not an obsession with words, it's called being precise.

And that’s Richard’s 5th failure to say what he means and flame someone else for pointing out his error


VI.

And while we’re on precision, you claim to know what you’re talking about. Dismissing a certain amount of knowledge as rudimentary, as not “Rocket Science”. If it’s so simple and straightforward, the why didn’t you know it’s not a “U2”, it’s a “V2”? That’s it Richard, keep talking like you’re an expert.

Richard’s 6th screw-up, erroding his credibility

In conclusion, if you're 41, you've got to wake up, and grow up. You carry on like a clueless child. You make up quotes, attribute them to me, and then attempt to rebut them, rather than do one simple thing.

Tell me how, realistically, every crew in the game, either from weapon or vehicle, is suddenly knowledgeable in how to clear mines. Not just the Veterans, or your favorite the Elite, EVERY crew can clear mines.

Is that realistic Richard? NO.

[VikingNo2]

I think maybe we should move this to the Art of War forum, see both of you on the battelfield

[RichardTheFirst]

To the arrogant ******* over there.

Do you think you deserve I analyse your arguments with a magnifier like you do? Think again. From your last message I only read the first few lines and the rest I read in diagonal. Done more or less like that with the others. From the tone you were using I saw long time ago you don’t deserve more.

If you want to analyse and waste time with dictionaries, than you do it. Have a little work for a change. Enjoy!


Deves ser mesmo é um frustrado da tropa que tem masturbações mentais a aliviar na Internet o facto de não ter uma mulher em casa para bater ou recrutas na tropa para fazer a vida negra. Eu prefiro discussões edificantes não conversas com parvalhões pseudo-intelectuais frustrados que não têm mais nada para fazer com o seu tempo.

Adeusinho e podes continuar sozinho a partir de agora..

[Vathailos]

You can't respond with facts, so you keep on mouthing off like some pompous dolt. For all your Portuguese insults and your machismo, you’re nothing but a tempest in a teacup. If you have to resort to weak tactics like that, you lost the argument a long time ago.

It’s not “analyzing under a microscope”, it’s called making sense. It’s called supporting your hypothesis with a fact or two that are valid, it’s called presenting a coherent argument, based on facts. It's called debate, defending your hypothesis with facts rather than rather than pretending to be an expert.It’s much better than spewing off BS, threatening someone when they point out it’s BS, then ceasing to address the issues altogether, and pulling some kind of “I’m better than thou” crap because you don’t have a leg to stand on.

"Waste time" with dictionaries? It’s called knowing what the hell you’re talking about before you open your mouth. Try that some time. You keep on spewing your opinion like it’s the truth from on high. No facts at all, just Richard’s opinions. Don’t dare question them, because then he’ll have to resort to threatening to knock your teeth out.

In the future you might want to look at the time on the post, not too many folks I know "work" at 2309.

If you don't have anything else to say "on-topic", then please just keep it to yourself. I'll try and do the same from this point forward. I can't believe I got drawn into this crap to begin with.

ON TOPIC

The fact that every single crew has mine clearing ability (regardless of their experience level) is a bit far-fetched IMO. I can substantiate a good portion of the training picture to support my hypothesis. If you have any disagreements on that level, I'd be willing to debate them with you, or anyone else. But without arrogance, without posing, without name calling, cussing and condescension.

Fair enough?

And sorry to all that have suffered through this ridiculous crap, for my part in it. This is a level to which I should not have sunk. Life preserver, anyone?

[RichardTheFirst]

Originally posted by VikingNo2
Not a newbe, noted:D , this will help me prepare for our upcoming battle.

Do you have a country you favor ?

Well, my favorites are the Germans, after that U.S. Army. What about you?

[RichardTheFirst]

Originally posted by VikingNo2
Not a newbe, noted:D , this will help me prepare for our upcoming battle.

Do you have a country you favor ?

Ooops, almost forgot. I don't mind playing with the Japanese in a Jungle envinonment

[VikingNo2]

7.1 the US

H2H I have not decided yet


Not too good with the Russian but learning

[RichardTheFirst]

Well, I don't have H2H or know anything about it except that's a good mod. Plan to have it though.

I play terribly with the Russians but don't have much practise either.