Luskan versus Mogami.

[Luskan]

Another turn, another few bases fall to mog but they're piddly little bases so far. kendari held out for a turn, but next turn it is all over red rover there.

Betties in the SRA at davao are hammering away at my fleeing ships and transports - they've got at least 6 so far. i am learning lots about the allied side - and will be far more effective the next time I start up as the japs.

[TIMJOT]

ORIGINAL: Luskan

Another turn, another few bases fall to mog but they're piddly little bases so far. kendari held out for a turn, but next turn it is all over red rover there.

Betties in the SRA at davao are hammering away at my fleeing ships and transports - they've got at least 6 so far. i am learning lots about the allied side - and will be far more effective the next time I start up as the japs.

I dont understand how Betty's can be operating out of Davao on turn two? Even if he captured on turn 1 woulnt he have to wait until turn to just to transfer them there and regardless shouldnt it take at least a turn or two to land enough air support troops and supply? I mean good planning is one thing, but doesnt these two turns seem hyper-accelerated even by Japanese standards? Are you guys playing multi-day turns by any chance?

[mogami]

Hi, There were no Betty operating out of Davao on turn two.
Turn 1 landings begin
Turn 2 base captured
Turn 3 Airgroups arrive

(a aviation support unit was part of landing force on turn 1)

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Norseman

Mogami:

Are your troop losses as high as they sound? As pointed out you have taken a lot of ground but are taking a lot of losses in the landings. Did you expect this?

It seems like you plan for everything pretty carefully, will it take a long time to get these assault troops back to effective strength levels after the landings?

Thanks for the ARR, a very impressive opening move! It sounds like a tidal wave. I think Luskan will have to be "creative" and unorthodox to make an impact early in this game.

The combat report has been changed now to reflect the fact that the losses being reported are not all "killed/destroyed" but actually represent "casualties" of which the large majority will be disabled/wounded.

[TIMJOT]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, There were no Betty operating out of Davao on turn two.
Turn 1 landings begin
Turn 2 base captured
Turn 3 Airgroups arrive

(a aviation support unit was part of landing force on turn 1)

OH OK, I guess Luskan got some bad intel then.

[mogami]

No he posted Betties getting his ships on turn three.


"Another turn, another few bases fall to mog but they're piddly little bases so far. kendari held out for a turn, but next turn it is all over red rover there.

Betties in the SRA at davao are hammering away at my fleeing ships and transports - they've got at least 6 so far. i am learning lots about the allied side - and will be far more effective the next time I start up as the japs. "

The entire combat report for turn two is above this post. This is report for turn 3.

[Brady]

So in a Nut shel, an Invashion force for Mogami, consists of the tr4ansport element (Transports and a couple escorts for antisub defense, and added AA defense, Followed by a Escort TF comprised of CA's and other ships corect? The Following Escort force would engage any atacking Surface action force right first?

[TIMJOT]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

No he posted Betties getting his ships on turn three.


"Another turn, another few bases fall to mog but they're piddly little bases so far. kendari held out for a turn, but next turn it is all over red rover there.

Betties in the SRA at davao are hammering away at my fleeing ships and transports - they've got at least 6 so far. i am learning lots about the allied side - and will be far more effective the next time I start up as the japs. "

The entire combat report for turn two is above this post. This is report for turn 3.

Ahh.....now I understand. You can see my confusion, absent a follow up combat report for turn 3, I just assumed he was refering to the previous turn. Still weren't your Betties fatiqued and disrupted from the transfer? In UV you would have to rest the transfered unit a day or two before it was effective again.

[Mr.Frag]

In UV you would have to rest the transfered unit a day or two before it was effective again.

You can still order them to fly. You pay for it with the operational losses. It is an interesting debate as to which is worth more. One can be pretty sure that ships fleeing the SRA are empty if spotted in the first 2 turns. The question becomes does pilot short Japan spend aircraft to sink empty ships. It is a value call that is rather tough to make.

[mogami]

Hi, I don't care if they are loaded or not I only worry about 1 thing. Are they in range?

[TIMJOT]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, I don't care if they are loaded or not I only worry about 1 thing. Are they in range?

So how are your air units fatigue and morale holding up after three days of relentless activity?

[mogami]

Hi They are fine. I rest a group or two every day and introduce a fresh unit as well. (I've moved at least three fresh groups into the area in the last two turns.

[Speedysteve]

ORIGINAL: Mogami

Hi, I don't care if they are loaded or not I only worry about 1 thing. Are they in range?

Reminds me of a quote from Aliens -

"I just need to know one thing where they are?"

[Luskan]

and look what happened to that dumb ass chick marine!

Mog - delete some emails man! Your yahoo account keeps bouncing (4 times now it says the turn is too big for your inbox).

The other server thinks I'm spam.

[tsimmonds]

The other server thinks I'm spam.

I bet you get that a lot.[;)]

[byron13]

[Luskan]

Well sports fans, due to a bug that means I can't generate my own combat summary (a bug I think I caused myself) I can't post the combat replay. And of course there is no guarantee to how accurate it is.

However in my combat report, Mog landed troops at johore bharu. He had 8000 casualties and a bunch of smacked up transports. Then my bombers launched and put 4 or 5 bombs through the taiyo and gave her fire and heavy damage. Hopefully she'll be sinking soon. (unconfirmed).

Also, I had tried to make two mid ocean surface combat intercepts this turn. One of them worked, however my 4 dds ended up in a hex with 2 of Mog's CVLs (I thought they were transports!) just north of darwin. Well, his cvls launched kates and I took plenty of damage and my cowardly commander called it a day with 1 dd sunk and another damaged (what happened to damn the torpedoes???).

My second intercept didn't work - but did get my dds out of hong kong punished.

And then Mog pulled one off - his bbs intercepting the fattest, slowest transport group in the ocean off tarakan and blowing 3 sub tenders to hell (and more thana few aks). Was pretty ugly actually as they didn't have even a pretense of a surface combatant screen with them.

[Luskan]

Enjoy this!
Mog paid the price for landing at johore bharu, with POW and Repulse attacking at night. The first round was fairly even and non-commital, then the task forces broke off, and then the japs re-engaged, catching my ships off guard, and put 2 cls and 2 dds under the waves (and damaging a whole bunch of others) and then all ships broke off and my ships re-engaged (gotta love those aggressive commanders) steered in by radar and caught the japs napping (they thought they'd finished for the night).

What a battle. Technically, it is probably a loss, with 4 or 5 dds on my side and 2 or 3 cls sunk (more than a few won't make port) but no significant damge to POW or Repulse, and POW put a 14 inch shell through the CS Chiyoda, and through one of mog's dds, whlie Repulse (I think? could have this around the wrong way) put 2 15 inch shells into the Kongo at about 5000 yards which damaged her so badly she turned turtle and SANK! Another 14 inch shell into nagato and the battle was done.

Mog sank the Pennsylvania at Pearl - I sank the Kongo at Johore Bharu.

Then, the retreating jap bbs got caught by my airpower, and being battered as they were, I got some more torp and bomb hits in. Gods I love this game.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/13/41

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ASW attack near Davao at 41,61

Japanese Ships
DD Shirayuki
DD Isonami
DD Shirakumo
DD Usugumo
DD Shinonome
CL Sendai
CA Kumano

Allied Ships
SS S-37, hits 2, on fire

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Johore Bahru at 22,49

Japanese Ships
CS Chiyoda
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
BB Nagato
BB Mutsu
CA Atago, Shell hits 1
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 1
CA Suzuya
CL Naka
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 1
DD Maikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Nowaki, Shell hits 1
DD Arashi
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Natsugumo, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 1
BC Repulse
CL Danae
CL Dragon, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Durban, Shell hits 1
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 1
DD Vampire, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Vendetta
DD Stronghold
DD Tenedos
DD Electra, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
DD Express
DD Jupiter, Shell hits 1

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Johore Bahru at 22,49

Japanese Ships
CS Chiyoda
BB Kongo, Shell hits 5
BB Haruna
BB Nagato
BB Mutsu
CA Atago
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya
CL Naka, Shell hits 1
CL Jintsu
DD Maikaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Natsugumo, on fire
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 1
BC Repulse, Shell hits 3
CL Danae
CL Dragon, on fire
CL Durban
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vampire, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vendetta
DD Stronghold
DD Tenedos, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DD Electra, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Express
DD Jupiter

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Johore Bahru at 22,49

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
F1M2 Pete: 5 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CS Chiyoda, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Kongo, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
BB Haruna
BB Nagato
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 5, on fire
CA Atago, Shell hits 4
CA Mogami, Shell hits 3
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 2
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 3
CL Naka, Shell hits 1
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 2
DD Maikaze, Shell hits 7, on fire
DD Nowaki, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Arashi
DD Oshio
DD Michishio
DD Arashio
DD Natsugumo, on fire
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales
BC Repulse, Shell hits 2
CL Danae, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Dragon, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Durban
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 20, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vampire, Shell hits 21, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vendetta
DD Stronghold, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Electra, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Express
DD Jupiter, Shell hits 1, on fire

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Sub attack near Legaspi at 44,55

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu
DD Kuretake

Allied Ships
SS Tarpon

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TF 18 troops unloading over beach at Sorong, 42,74


Japanese ground losses:
75 casualties reported

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TF 36 troops unloading over beach at Butuan, 43,60


Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on TF, near Tarakan at 33,61


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 3
Martin 139 x 2


no losses

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Martin 139 bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,51


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 2
Wirraway x 3
Buffalo I x 38
Vildebeest IV x 8
Blenheim I x 10
Blenheim IV x 5


Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 2 damaged
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Vildebeest IV: 2 damaged
Blenheim IV: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, listing to one side.
BB Haruna
BB Mutsu, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA Atago
CA Suzuya, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
6 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
3 x Vildebeest IV launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Vildebeest IV launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Wirraway bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Vildebeest IV launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
9 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,51


Allied aircraft
Blenheim I x 3
Hudson I x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
DD Michishio

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,51


Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 5


no losses

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Hudson I bombing at 15000 feet
2 x Hudson I bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 22,54


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 24


Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AP Koei Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AP Yamakisan Maru
AP Kaika Maru
AP Kaishi Maru
AP Kaihei Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Nachisan Maru

Japanese ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Naga at 44,54


Allied aircraft
P-36A Mohawk x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 2


no losses

Japanese Ships
DD Hasu
DD Kuri

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P-40B Tomahawk bombing at 2000 feet
3 x P-36A Mohawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Legaspi at 44,55

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 20

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 30
B-17C Fortress x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged
B-17C Fortress: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Hachimanzan Maru, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-17C Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Manila at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 9

no losses

Allied Ships
PT PT-34
PG Asheville, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-31, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G3M Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Johore Bahru at 22,49


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 22
Blenheim I x 3


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Yasukuni Maru
AK Sakura Maru
AP Matsukawa Maru
AP Higashiyama Maru
AP Tensyo Maru
AP Hawaii Maru, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Blenheim I bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 30,66


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 2
Martin 139 x 2


Allied aircraft losses
Martin 139: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Inazuma

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Martin 139 bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,51


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 2


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Yuzan Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,51


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 4


no losses

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 22,54


Allied aircraft
Martin 139 x 15


no losses

Japanese Ships
AP Koshu Maru #3
AP Nachisan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AP Kaishi Maru, Bomb hits 1
AP Kaika Maru
AP Hokuhi Maru

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Martin 139 bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Kuching at 28,56


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 3


no losses

Japanese Ships
AK Nankai Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 23,51


Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 3


no losses

Japanese Ships
AK Hachirogata Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Buffalo I bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Johore Bahru at 22,49


Allied aircraft
Vildebeest IV x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Vildebeest IV: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
PG Muro Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Vildebeest IV launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Sub attack near Legaspi at 44,55

Japanese Ships
CL Yura
DD Sanae
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
SS Tarpon


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Ground combat at Brunei

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 3982 troops, 25 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 916 troops, 10 guns, 2 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 17 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Brunei base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
1375 casualties reported
Guns lost 8


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Ground combat at Hong Kong

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 33313 troops, 321 guns, 15 vehicles

Defending force 12804 troops, 102 guns, 3 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 4


Japanese ground losses:
212 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Guns lost 7


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Ground combat at Tarakan

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 7923 troops, 65 guns, 17 vehicles

Defending force 1303 troops, 9 guns, 2 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Tarakan base !!!



Allied aircraft


no losses

Japanese ground losses:
139 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

[mogami]

Hi, You can't make an omlett without breaking a few eggs. 6 days into the war there are 1500 assault points of Japanese 60 miles from Singapore.

The first 5 days were devoted to finding POW and her consorts. I even had two diversionary landings up north to try to draw them out. Oh well.

[brisd]

Your taskforce was clearly superior but it shows that luck was on the Royal Navy's side that day. I can see why the IJN spent so much effort trying to sink those vessels. Very interesting AAR, thanks guys!